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Bicyclists running stop signs AGAIN!

Original post made by Frank, Ventura, on Aug 1, 2008

I started a post back on July 16th about my neighborhood's problem with cyclists running stop signs along Park Blvd. Just yesterday my wife was almost hit by a cyclist who blew off the stop sign when were walking with our son.
Would everyone reading this post call Sgt Steve Herrera at the Palo Alto Police Department 650 329 2683 about any incidents with cyclist in your area. We need to inform our police of potential safety hazards in our neighborhoods. I hope to have bike cops along Park Blvd to enforce basic traffic laws to both cyclists and motorists.


Comments

Posted by Driver
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Aug 1, 2008 at 6:05 pm

cyclists are definitely worse on bike boulevards


Posted by agree
a resident of Midtown
on Aug 1, 2008 at 6:07 pm

I didn't have my darn bluetooth with me, so i couldn't follow the two who BLEW through the stop on Arastradero near Deer Hill and report them. I was so mad. I had to slam on my brakes and dang near hit them. One looked right at me as he blew through. Scared the hell out of me.

Report 'em. Seems to be getting worse.


Posted by Milt
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Aug 2, 2008 at 3:42 pm

Relax, there's no need to overreact. I walk and drive around town and yeah, every once in awhile, somebody pedals through a stop sign, or is driving too fast, or any one of a number of other things. Rarely is it that grieveous or dangerous. You know what? It's called life. There's alot going on around you, but I don't believe that your life is in peril if you take an evening walk on Park Boulevard.


Posted by palo alto parent
a resident of Crescent Park
on Aug 2, 2008 at 5:30 pm

A neighbor - an older woman - was hit by a bike rider who pedaled off after knocking her to the ground. She ending up needing brain surgery, so dangerous bikers riders are not "just life". For her they were almost just death.


Posted by R Wray
a resident of South of Midtown
on Aug 2, 2008 at 5:42 pm

Calif is considering a law that would allow bicyclists to treat stop signs as yield signs.
I agree with this because traffic engineers have corrupted the function of stop signs. Stop signs should be used to control intersections, but they are now used in many cases as obstacles to slow traffic--a tactic not required for cyclists.


Posted by I cycle
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Aug 2, 2008 at 9:18 pm

The other night when I was riding home I happened upon a woman with a baby stroller. 3 cars drove through the occupied crosswalk, only I stopped for her. Maybe all vehicles should be more careful


Posted by Outside Observer
a resident of another community
on Aug 2, 2008 at 10:18 pm

R Wray,

Stop signs as method for "traffic calming", Yeah! especially in PA. 75% of the 4-way stops in PA should be 2-way.

Giving cyclists "yield" rights in any inappropriate 4-way stop is simply political correctness in one of it's worst forms.

I support cycling and hope it will reduce motor vehicle traffic, but to that end, cyclists need their own dedicated infrastructure, and don't need to compete with motor vehicles in infrastructure that was designed for motor vehicles, not bicycles.

For starters, take the north-south cross town "bicycle boulevard", and place it on a road that can be closed to motor vehicles and re-engineered to cyclists. After that, ban cyclists from Alma and Middlefield... Then select an east-west route, or several east-west routes and do the same.

The antipathy between motorists and cyclists will only end when each has a dedicated infrastructure designed only for the efficient use of each.






Posted by Resident
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Aug 3, 2008 at 8:10 pm

The paths beside the creeks would make wonderful bike paths. I have no idea why they think it is too dangerous to open these paths to the public. There would still be access to the creeks for work and maintenance and a fence preventing people getting into the creekbeds would be of more benefit than a plaque at City Hall Plaza or a sculpture on California Avenue.


Posted by pedestrian
a resident of University South
on Aug 4, 2008 at 11:59 am

Cyclists mix very poorly with automobiles, pedestrians, and other cyclists. They should have their own planet, where they would at least be a threat only to themselves.


Posted by Milt
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Aug 4, 2008 at 1:40 pm

Again, one can point to infrequent incidents involving just about anything to try and make a point. There is no epidemic problem of bicyclists being a threat to the general public. It is not a real problem. It is a perceived problem. Cyclists are far more vulnerable.


Posted by gallileo
a resident of Midtown
on Aug 5, 2008 at 11:21 am

I see plenty of car drivers acting unsafely, and I wish they would stop. But that doesn't mean I have a problem with them driving 5 mph over the speed limit--even on my through-street. Running a stop sign is the biking equivalent of an automobile going 5 mph over the speed limit.

Now, no cyclist should hit and run, and no cyclist should go through a stop sign when it isn't his or her turn. Cyclists should also yield to pedestrians just as cars would.


Posted by bikes2work
a resident of another community
on Aug 5, 2008 at 12:57 pm

My significant other bikes to work on Park Boulevard. It is a great bike path with multiple barricades set up to deter automobile traffic. I don't understand why it has stop signs at all. It should only need stop signs at the major roads like Meadow and Charleston.

If you call the police like Frank asks, please request that they remove the stop signs that encourage bikers to use El Camino Real instead.

Good day!


Posted by I cycle
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Aug 5, 2008 at 1:33 pm

Park appears to have been designed by people that drive cars for bicycle use.
Its like a tract home built in the 50s. The kitchens were seldom designed by people that actually used kitchens.

The signal at Charleston does not detect bikes. There are traffic calming stop signs for cars. There is no signage to get you to Wilkie Way from Park where the controlled intersections are to get you across Meadow and Charleston. Its there, I use it, its bettr than nothing, but a few cheap changes would make it a lot better.


Posted by STOP!
a resident of Greene Middle School
on Sep 13, 2008 at 6:43 pm

We were driving on North CA and stopped at our sign and a biker was on my left with a stop sign. I stopped and proceeded and this blonde/blue-eyed woman began to run her stop sign until we both stopped. Had I hit her, who's fault would it be? My husband was a witness.

I have no problem with cyclist not stopping if cars aren't nearby, but they do need to stop and follow the rule when we are nearby.


Posted by Driver
a resident of Palo Verde
on Sep 13, 2008 at 7:59 pm

A cyclist with one ear to his cell phone ran a stop sign in front of me turning left today. The law against cell phone use should be for bikes as other vehicles.