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by the Body Politic, Barron Park,
on Oct 19, 2011
Surely you jest. There's a number of reasons it was torn apart in last night's GOP debate.
Raises taxes on 84% of Americans.
Whose taxes get cut? The wealthiest among us, of course.
Cain's plan also has no funding mechanism for Social Security or Medicare.
The plan is not baked, but he is getting a lot of press and name recognition, so maybe as a political sound bite, it worked
9-9-9 = Dumb-Dumb-Dumb. It's just a sound bite.
18% sales tax on everything I buy? Bad idea from someone who worked at the Fed in Kansas City. The kooks are in this race to provide a contrast to the candidates the GOP wants to frame as relatively normal, that's all.
Didn't expect there to be any Cain supporters in the area.
Seems that he was in the middle of a book tour and suddenly it was his turn at the top of the Republican heap to win the primaries.
Does any one know if he self funds? (his campaign, not the book tour)
Cain acknowledges it's broken and uhhhhhhhh, ummmmmm, has a secret plan to fix it.
"CAIN: The other thing that they try to say – “well it’s going to be regressive on the poor.” No it’s not. We anticipated that attack, but I didn’t tell them how I was going to fix it yet. I wanted to wait until I get attacked on that for a while. We already have a plan for that. But I wanted to see if they would come at that. They thought it was going to be dead in the water......
But we’ve already made provisions for that, but I just haven’t told the public and my opponents about it yet." Web Link
A couple things we learned -
1. Herman Cain loves his country so much he has a fix for his broken plan, but can't share it, even in America's hour of need. What a patriot.
2. Herman Cain acknowledge that the President and the Federal Government have a role in helping the poor, making him unfit to be a Republican hopeful
3. On the other hand, Herman Cain is convinced he can win the GOP nomination by hoodwinking the most gullible GOP voters.
It's probably a good bet.
I didn't realize Cain was for abortion.
Now that he's been in the lead for a week, everyone is actually listening to waht Cain says.
I'll give it to the guy, he wants states rights, small government, etc.. which puts him OUT of the GOP mainstream.
Abortion - big government out, a woman should choose = toast in the GOP
"the Gay" - Cain wants big goivernement out "I wouldn't seek a constitutional ban for same sex marriage". Again = toast in the GOP
Foreign Policy - knows nothing, would consult his experts, but then says a dumb thing, would negotiate with terrorists. Again = toast in the GOP. But the GOP loses any foreign policy debate against Bin Ladin's killer, anyway.
Audit of the Fed - Cain, a former director of the Federal Reserve Bank, thinks that's stupid. Again = toast in the GOP.
Gun Control - wants states to pass their own laws, like a good little libertarian, against the NRA's position. Again = toast in the GOP.
Grover Norquist doesn't like 9-9-9. Cain supported TARP.
Cain is toast in the GOP. Mostly because he believes in small government and states rights, which are actually an anathema to the GOP on too many issues - God, guns, gay, etc...
The GOP likes huge government in too many areas.
From Times, flat tax like Herman's gains momentum:
As several leading Republican presidential candidates embrace a flat tax as a core campaign position, one contender stands out in not doing so: Mitt Romney, who has a long record of criticizing such plans and famously derided Steve Forbes’s 1996 proposal as a “tax cut for fat cats.”
Romney doesn't get it.
I like Cain. Smart. Great resume. Great family story. Great personal history. An American story we can admire. Most importantly, great philosophy of role of Federal Government ( Constitutionally limited). 999 plan good..needs work, but better than the thousands of pages of bull we have to wade through now, and much more fair. Everyone needs "skin in the game". If taxes go up..ALL taxes go up. It replaces the current mess we have, and reverses the constantly increasing burden on fewer and fewer people, promotes our economy, and makes it so that everyone knows what their taxes are. Will need a lot of work, and a long time to implement slowly since it is a game changer and any change has unintended consequences that hurt the innocent. Next most importantly, I trust him to surround himself with wise advisors.
Barring some big suprise, I am voting for Cain.
"Everyone needs "skin in the game".
GOP code for raising taxes on the poor.
"If taxes go up..ALL taxes go up."
GOP code for raising taxes on both the poor and middle class while cutting taxes for millionaires and billionaires.
Cain's plan - "Raises taxes on 84% of Americans." Cuts taxes for millionaires and billionaires.
Now Perry is desperate also - raising taxes on the poor and middle class - beware Perry's "PostCard" tax plan.
I remember a sermon about The Widow's Mite, wherein the widow, as poor as she was, gave a mite to charity. Sounds like a flat tax to me.
Basic Human Nature: We don't appreciate anything we don't pay for. As a child, even the poorest folks paid SOMETHING so they retained their dignity and had "ownership" in whatever it was, from Scouts to school functions. Yes, sliding scale, but nonetheless, SOMETHING..100% "free" anything paid by others erodes the human spirit, degrading it into a dependence and lack of confidence in oneself.
Yes, everyone should have skin in the game. Perhaps by percentage, perhaps by consumption tax ( like 9-9-9)..anything that means a vote to raise the tax rate means a vote to raise the tax on oneself.
We have to stop this idea that I have the right to "vote" more money out of someone ELSE's pocket just because they "have more" or "make more" than I do.
Perspective: ""Everyone needs "skin in the game". GOP code for raising taxes on the poor. "If taxes go up..ALL taxes go up." GOP code for raising taxes on both the poor and middle class while cutting taxes for millionaires and billionaires. Cain's plan - "Raises taxes on 84% of Americans." Cuts taxes for millionaires and billionaires."
You go, Perspective! Run a GOP candidate that wants to raise taxes on 84% of Americans, while giving tax cuts to billionaires.
A sure fire electoral winner!!
See the CBS/Times poll yesterday? Some ridiculous majority of Americans who believe the GOP only cares about the Ultra Wealthy.
"Raises taxes on 84% of Americans."
Somebody who came up with the "99%" slogan wasn't far off the mark, apparently.
Cain is toast by Iowa, and Mr. “president of Ubeki-beki-beki-beki-stan-stan,” will be go back on book tour. Web Link
Then you'll be back to Romney who, as someone said above calling a flat tax a "“tax cut for fat cats.”"
While a lobbyist for the NRA, they settled sexual harassment lawsuits about your behavior, and this is what you say?
"He added: "If the restaurant association did a settlement, I wasn’t even aware of it and I hope it wasn’t for much. If there was a settlement, it was handled by some of the other officers at the restaurant association."
Oh, Herman, puh-leeeeeeze.
The book tour beckons. 9-9-9 never had a chance anyway.
Dear Tax Fairness: I heard from 2 unnamed sources (because we signed a confidentiality agreement) that President Obama made some not overtly sexual gestures that made the 2 anonymous men uncomfortable..but I can't say anything else about it, just believe it wasn't pretty.
On the other hand, President Obama came on the air today and said he just commented that the one of the men was about the height of his wife....
Tired playbook, very very tired,..well known to all of us.Tried it on Clarence Thomas..didn't work then, won't work now.
"Tired playbook, very very tired,..well known to all of us"
Then that shows Cain isn't ready for prime time, nor his staff.
He had at least 4 varying answers yesterday, several at direct odds with the previous, even after a ten day warning the story was going to drop.
Let's see how many more answers he has today, or if his campaign trained him up on a single response.
Perry's thrilled. Everyone has forgotten his "look at how silly I can get over a bottle of syrup" speech on Friday.
No one asked Cain about the felony campaign financing charges since this dropped.
Mitt stays in hiding away from reporters and interviews, knowing he has no competition in his way to the big show in November. 630 days since he went on a Sunday interview show.
Dear Tax Fairness: Please answer the question of when you stopped beating your wife with any degree of Presidential demeanor.
I am on the CAIN TRAIN....
All the way.
Best thing that ever happened to him was this absurd attempt to throw ..um...poop, ..and hope it stuck. Instead, he got the most donations in a day than ever before.
Bring it on!!!
Thrilled you are on the Cain Train. Actually can't wait for reporters to get off the harassment story and take a look at Cain's early campaign funding issues and the felony violations.
After a few days it seems Herman is starting to settle on one harassment story (down from 3 or 4 earlier versions,) so hopefully it's over soon.
Judging from what I've seen on left leaning websites, it's pretty obvious the Dems didn't plant this story.
After all, they're all rooting for Cain. They're pretty confident they can beat a guy who wants to raise taxes on 84% of Americans.
Enjoy your train ride.
I guess Hermanis done, once his southern base sees pics of the women describing her story. She's got the wrong hair color, Herman, for you to win in the South.
You were good until pics came out. Who picks up Herman's 25%? Perry gets my notice again.
Link to UK article on the "accuser" from yesterday.
Link of Bialek with Cain just a year ago at a Conference. Doesn't seem too awful for her, right?
Anyone who wants Cain undone from these absurd allegations..I hope your Karma catches up to you. Maybe an allegation will pop up and destroy your career...you know, cuz we ALWAYS believe the accusers, just like they did in Salem, right?
I think most Americans are way smarter than this.
Cain 2012. I am behind him 100%.
Cain in 2012, means Obama re-takes oath in 2013. Unfortunately, Cain is never going to make it to Iowa, let alone So Carolina.
His Koch Brothers (his "bruthas from another motha" - look it up from the weekend) book tour is history. A book tour, motivational speaking tour, or performance art tour - take your pick, he was never a real candidate.
The tendency to go after blondes? That's put up by Romney or Perry, probably with Murdoch/Roger Ailes backing (Fox wants Mitt.) Then they get to blame the "left wing" (addly, considering it's corporate owned) media. Ailes will then give Herman a nice show afterwards; always room for a good conservative of color. Heck, I love it when Michael Steele goes on the Daily Show!
Overall though, I find it funny that the guys who supported Flowers and Lewinsky a decade ago are whistling a different tune. Well, they were until they saw pictures of the woman Herman pushed onto his lap.
Next polls that come out by the end of next week will show Herman's number cratered when the blonde showed up. I agree with the post above - that stuff ain't gonna fly in the tea party.
I never understood why the tea party supports him after finding out his 999 joke raises taxes on all Americans except the richest 15%. The tea party was slightly relevant when they at least pretended to care about the middle class, jobs and fighting wall street. Now, they're irrelevant.
CBS News is reporting that Cain has dropped out of the race, under pressure from white Republicans.
Herman starts his daily press conference on the issue with his lawyer.
Always a bad sign.
Is it the lawyer for Anna Nicole Smith and JonBenet Ramsey? If so, I'm with Hayward - this is a performance art piece.
The only folks concerned about the ..um...women ( the kindest label I can think of)...and their accusations are those who hate Cain.
The rest of us know them for who they are.
Cain 2012. Tax fairness, we all put some, even a tiny bit, of skin in the game.
Disparage women you don't know or whom haven't even come forward due to the gag order in their settlement all you like, it makes one imagine you have as much respect for women as Herman does. As Hayward asks above: did you slander Jenifer Flowers in the same way? Monica?
As to the real reason Cain will never win the primary to earn the right to lose to Obama? (even worse than McCain)
from Fox: "Cain Tax Plan Raises Taxes on 84 Percent" Web Link
Perspective: no one on the left, even the corporatists in the Democratic Party, is afraid of Cain. We are all rooting for him over the flipflopper, the Tiffany guy with three wives or even Giggling Ricky. That lineup must have conservatives embarrassed.
If Cain didn't have the Koch's AFP group (convicted Wisconsin election fraud Mark Block) running his campaign, he'd still be on book tour.
Jump on Perspective's Cain Train, everyone!
Yup..here is a great article on how fair our current tax system is..from Yahoo, not exactly a right-wing ideologue site.
Taxes on those who already pay taxes are set to go up next year..1,000s of dollars per taxpayer.
Replace it all with 9-9-9 and THEN we can talk about raising taxes.
Yup..keep beating the "tax the rich" drum, lefties.
As far as "disparage women I don't know"..how about reading up on the women you don't know and their history? And how about the history of the man you don't know, Cain?
I believe Cain. Can't wait to vote for him. Truly. A person with spine and integrity and values he lives up to.
Perspective: "...from Yahoo, not exactly a right-wing ideologue site."
Cute. It's re-posted from Fox business, which is pretty much "a right-wing ideologue site." Pretty lame attempt to cloak a Fox opinion piece with a Yahoo mask, Perspective. You can do better.
9-9-9 is a joke and will never happen because Cain won't happen. Remember Ricky's Giddy Giggly NH speech last week? He nailed it. Cain loses in any state (like NH) that has no sales tax, simply because he imposes a 9% sales tax. The Granite state rejects that, like any other zero-sales-tax state.
And Cain's 9-9-9 raises taxes on 84% of Americans, while giving massive cuts to billionaires. From Fox: "Cain Tax Plan Raises Taxes on 84 Percent" Web Link
Thumb and forefinger to your forehead, Perspective. Big letter L. You're rooting for a loser.
But you're in the same boat as all the Dems, lefties and Obama, all rooting for Cain to stay in for another couple months, maybe win Iowa and NH. Put some pressure on that flipflopper that you, Perspective, will definitely vote for next November.
You know, the guy that wrote ObamaCare, Mitt something or other. You can mark your ballot already.
"A person with spine and integrity and values he lives up to." Yup, values starting with blond hair.
I love it TF: The more you post, the more you make the leftists look..um..mature, thoughtful and well-informed.
Perspective: rooting to cut taxes for billionaires, in hopes of being let into the club:
* Web Link *
For those clicking on the link after Nov 10, search for Nov 10 edition or "The Muriel Inquisition"
Nice youtube called Afterburner with Bill Whittle.
I believe Cain is one who would thrive in Bill's 3 1/2 days and all the folks opposed to the 9-9-9 plan would wake up and be proud to be part of the solution, after realizing how fortunate they are to be here where there ARE the Cains and other taxpayers of the nation ...
Informed? Taxhikes for 84% seems pretty informed.
Are you saying perspctive will vote for Romney in November? Sounds like he won't vote at all unless a 3rd choice comes out to the right of Romney and Obama.
Perry = not smart enough
Paul = not conservative enough
Romney = not Christian enough
Cane = not white enough
Looks like Obama is going to have an easy election win.
Tea Party: you forgot someone!
Gingrich = not bling enough
Cain starts his fall: "The field of Republican candidates now has three candidates within striking distance of each other at the top of the list: with 18 percent, Herman Cain is in the top spot, followed by Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich with 15% each."
Perspective: read the crosstabs, those fleeing Herman Cain are being lead by women.
It's Newt's turn to fight Romney, as Romney still can't break the 25% barrier that GOP voters have placed on him. Soon, we'll be hearing about Newt serving divorce papers on one of his wives while she was receiving cancer treatments, and the Tiffany's bills.
Maybe Newt is "bling" enough.
sorry, crosstabs here: Web Link
Women flee Herman Cain.
"I believe Cain is one who would thrive in Bill's 3 1/2 days "
Huh? What basis in reality does that apply to?
Perspective is under the mistaken notion that we are a nation of Daniel Boone's, out in the wild alone, taking on the world by ourselves. We're not.
We are a nation of communities. Communities where we all pitch in and raise a barn, where we work together to educate our children and prepare them for their future, where we help the less fortunate. A nation of communities that pay taxes and grow together, a nation of communities that became the strongest nation in the world.
Perspective wants to have Herman Cain raise taxes on 84% of Americans while giving tax breaks to corporations and millionaires and billionaires.
This woman ain't fleeing Cain ( it is spelled with an I,not "cane" btw).
This woman knows it is always easy to find a woman to accuse anybody of anything for the right price, and has witnessed women abusing this power throughout her life..for payoffs.
Nope, ain't buyin' it. Especially when I see the bio of the women who have "come out"..c'mon...
Get some good sense into the White House. Someone with great EXECUTIVE experience..we need someone who understands what a CEO does, can appoint the smart, right people to positions, and get the job done. Not to mention proud of the USA, and a great life story ( oh..and important to so many..the right color).
"Women flee Herman Cain." That's a fact, check the crosstabs on women voters: Web Link
Po' Perspective off in his/her fantasy-land, can't handle the facts, which will only get worse for Cain in coming weeks, he's already being passed by bling-boy-Newt!!
Running a pizza chain is executive experience? Being a lobbyist is executive experience? Being a motivational speaker is executive experience?
Too bad he isn't experienced enough to know China has had nukes for fifty years! "They've indicated that they're trying to develop nuclear capability..." Web Link
Or experienced enough to know the countries in the Middle East: "...Cain said, "And when they ask me, 'Who is the president of Ubeki-beki-beki-beki-stan-stan?'"
You go girl! Keep supporting the biggest joke in the GOP primary!
Or is the biggest joke Ron Paul?
Or is the biggest joke the frothy mix of Rick Santorum? (google it)
Or is the biggest joke Michelle Bachman?
Or is the biggest joke Tiffany Plated Newt?
Or is the biggest joke Rick "I've got three things here, ummmmmmmmmm..." Perry?
Face it Perspective, next November you're voting for Mittens and his alter ego on the Planet Kolob. Web Link
Yo Perspective! Sorry to scare you off like that (telling you that you were voting for Mitt next year.)
Here's a winner for ya! Herman Cain trying to articulate an answer about Libya. I looked at some of your posts on Libya and it's clear that even you knew more then than Herman knows now (but that's a low bar, as you'll see Herman demonstrate!)
Quite cringe-worthy, as Herman stares up in the air trying to recall his briefing memo.
One last question, with Iowa 2 months away, why was he interviewing in a state with an April primary?!? Oh yeah, he was pushing some books while on tour!
Herman sinks like a rock, or disappears as fast as Hagen Das removed his favorite: black walnut.
"Newt Gingrich is the strongest Republican candidate when matched head to head against Democratic President Barack Obama, according to a McClatchy-Marist Poll released Tuesday.
The former speaker of the House of Representatives is neck and neck with the incumbent president, back just 2 percentage points among registered voters. Obama leads 47 percent to 45 percent.
Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney is next closest, trailing Obama by 4 percentage points. In that matchup, Obama leads 48 percent to 44 percent.
Rep. Ron Paul of Texas is the third best bet for the Republicans right now, 8 points back from Obama. No other Republican is within single digits of Obama. The survey has an error margin of plus or minus 3 percentage points."
Been there, done that. Those of us old enough to remember the 70s transitioning into the 80s watch the news and this race with a huge sense of deja vu.
Leftist unrest rioting in the streets, lost businesses, homes, retirement and employment.
"The only one who can beat Carter is Ford" was like "The only one who can beat Obama is McCain". Same old story and foolishness..and here we are repeating history.
Burgeoning military involvement in far flung parts of the world with no strategic interest for the USA, and no plan for what to do when the evil dictator is deposed.
Burgeoning national debt.
Growing senses of entitlement with ever new entitlement programs.
Riots in the streets across the nation as the old leftists live vicariously through the new.
Seems we are too foolish to learn our history or learn from it.
Link to an article written in 1980...before Reagan took 44 of the States in an electoral landslide. Much the same stuff as written now, with an unknown Republican against Obama. Much the same handwringing over "stupid" Repubs. Much the same gnashing of teeth over which Repub was "smart enough" to beat Carter.
The more things change, the more ...
Just vote the most conservative person you can, and get us back on track.
I am voting Cain..smart man who knows how to surround himself with good folks as advisors and, dare I say, Czars. Executive experience, a can do attitude, throwing out the failed policies of the past, and economic wisdom is what we need now.
Perspective is voting for Mitt in November. Which Mitt? Not sure, we'll see what Mitt believes in that week. Mitt has had 5 positions on Libya.
Cain is a performance art project on book tour. He did his famous "ummmmmm, Libya, ummmmm, Obama was, ummmmmm, against Qaddafi, ummmmm, correct? ummmmmm..." in a state that holds it's primary in April, 3 months after Mitt is declared the winner!!! Just so his campaign could pay for him to go to a football game. Web Link
Such a dumb answer on Libya, one of the very Obama policies that Perspective has been ranting against! It was his 3am phone call question, and he couldn't answer it at 3PM!
Cain's campaign said a month ago he was studying up on foreign policy: "ALMOST every day ... Cain is handed a ONE-PAGE briefing from his chief foreign policy adviser on news from around the world." Web Link
Yo, Herman! I can get you a 20 page briefing EVERY DAY..... it's called a NEWSPAPER!!!!!!!!!!
If he was really running seriously, and not a performance art project, he'd be in Iowa and SC. He already lost NH.
The only question is who's dumber: Rick or Herman?
After all, Herman asked yesterday: "How do you say delicious IN CUBAN?"
Before his disastrous answer on a core Cuban issue... "“The wet-foot, dry-foot policy?” Cain asked, as if he had never heard of it." Web Link
Even Rick's not that dumb.
Herman's massive scam - surprise - he's really just an art project. No serious presidential contender would ever be so unprepared.
Perspective is voting for Mitt, at least one version or another of Mitt.
"Cain..smart man who knows how to surround himself with good folks as advisors"
No. Wrong. A Lie. An absolute falsehood. As evidenced by his answers, he has FAILED to surround himself with GOOD advisers. If they were good, he would be prepared. Or, they are good, and he's just atrocious.
China tries to get nukes.
Cuban language (!)
The list is endless. His advisers are the WORST.
Or they have the worst student.
I am voting for Cain in the primaries.
Whoever wins the Repub Primary I am voting for in November, 2012.
Anybody but Obama.
BTW, Obama has lowered the bar considerably for "stupid things said"..
As for "Cuban language"..well
"It was also interesting to see that political interaction in Europe is not that different from the United States Senate. There's a lot of -- I don't know what the term is in Austrian, wheeling and dealing." --confusing German for "Austrian," a language which does not exist, Strasbourg, France, April 6, 2009
It is extremely difficult for anyone too defend Obama against any of the Repub candidates. Any one of them would be better than Obama, even Romney.
Cain cancels on Manchester Union Leader editorial board interview, one of the biggest conservative newspapers. Said he wouldn't do it in front of cameras. Wow. That's just throwing in the towel on the New Hampshire primary.
He's not running. Its a book tour. He has no staff compared to the other campaigns.
How did he pull the wool over the eyes of 25% of the electorate for so long?
That Cain bails in NH isn't news - the Herman Cain Performance Art Project never expected to play there.
But Herman Cain, not having much of a staff is news, as they decided to use tax dollars to help run their performance art events rather than their own staff, AND RUN AWAY FROM QUESTIONS: Web Link
"Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain began receiving protection from the U.S. Secret Service Thursday....
Cain spokesman J.D. Gordon said Thursday night that the campaign asked for the protection after The Washington Post posted an article online that morning detailing a series of physical skirmishes involving journalists at Cain rallies....
On the campaign trail, Cain “draws anywhere from a dozen to 50 media at his events," Gordon said. "When he gets out at a rally or a campaign stop, it has been increasingly common for media to be physically putting themselves and others in danger by trying to follow him with a lot of heavy equipment and cameras in close quarters like we saw yesterday."
And they have all those pesky questions about blond women, Libya, Chinese nukes, etc..
But Newt takes the cake today.
A $37 million "sell your soul as a lobbyist" cake.
"A think tank founded by GOP presidential candidate Newt Gingrich collected at least $37 million over the past eight years from major health-care companies and industry groups, offering special access to the former House speaker and other perks, according to records and interviews."
Millions from Freddie Mac, tens of millions lobbying for big insurance.
Have to pay that half million dollar Tiffanys bill somehow.
Go Newt go!
So: after predicting Perspective would vote for one of the many versions of Mitt, he finally admits it.
But Perspective gets a slice of cake, also! Having to go back 2 1/2 years to find the "Austrian" quote! Take it in context and he's looking for a local Austrian "term" (not language) a term or a local colloquialism. 2 1/2 years? Think of the Bushisms in any 2 year period. But keep up your dislike of the President!
Stay on the Cain Train! (lots free pizza and girls!)
Cain's a complete joke, overstaying his 15 minutes of fame.
Like newt, they're laughing out loud. They were just in this to up their speaking fees like Giuliani did last time. They had no idea enough bozos would support them to put them in the lead for a couple weeks.
The fees go up.
Laughing all the way to the bank. At the tea partiers that can't stand Romney so they'll support literally any fool.
Now newt can go back to lobbying for fannie/freddie and the insurance companies to support his Tiffany habit.
Perspective - looks like your man Herman is officially done. Newt takes the lead in every poll.
Newt becomes the 6th different GOP Gallup poll leader just this year!
Newt Gingrich: 22
Mitt Romney: 21
Herman Cain: 16
Ron Paul: 9
Rick Perry: 8
Michele Bachmann: 4
Jon Huntsman: 1
Rick Santorum: 1
Who's next after the GOP rejects the Freddie Mac lobbyist/historian with 3 wives?
The only ones who haven't had a turn to lead are Santorum, Paul and Huntsman.
Newt is the ultimate washington insider/lobbyist.
Six leaders this year? Mitt newt cain perry bachmann - who was the sixth?
ABO voters like us are so thankful for quotes from Obama like this ( telling some OWS folks that they are the reason he ran...hee hee hee ..I really, really hope that WHOEVER wins the Repub nomination uses everything s/he can to help people know what is at stake, including footage like this. I mean, really, we can't possibly make this up!)
I love Cain, but I am afraid he is too decent to run such ads..I will still vote for him.
Gingrich may be too "high minded" to get in the dirt also..we may have to have someone who can play hard ball, like Romney..but I really don't trust Romney at all.
Ok, so I am an ABO voter, if Romney wins, I will hold my nose and vote for Romney.... ANYONE to the right of Obama, even a wishy washy Bush-like RINO is better.
But, frankly, I would prefer ABR for the primaries ( Anybody but Romney). I am sure whoever wins the Repub primary is our next President unless a fool like Trump or Paul runs 3rd party and pulls a Perot on us. So I sure would like it to be a real CONSERVATIVE who can remind us who we really are and remind the world what our nation is capable of doing ( CAIN 2012)
Ding din ding, we have a winner! Body Politc asks who was the 6th leader and Perspective mentions the 6th GOP leader this year in the very next post!!
No, it wasn't Sarah the half termer.
"Six leaders this year? Mitt newt cain perry bachmann - who was the sixth?"
It was the birther whacko that attracted all the whacko anti-Mitt voters like perspective for a couple weeks - TRUMP!
Poor, poor perspective - anyone he likes is so far to the fringe that they are unelectable in America: bachman, perry, cain, newt, trump, paul or santorum.
Newt too highminded?!?!? Don't know him well, do ya? Look fast, because he'll be gone in a couple weeks!
Newt "the GOP budget is right-wing social engineering" Gingrich, the Tiffany man! Web Link
Pretty high minded, aiiiight!
Newt's up, and so happy about it he's telling everyone in a tweet Web Link
"Gingrich on his success: "The American people want an adult, and no one has a stronger record of adultery than I do."
For once I agree with Newt.
"Gingrich on his success: "The American people want an adult, and no one has a stronger record of adultery than I do."
Now THAT is funny!
Maybe it's time for the left to root for Newt over the other loons.
To see the far right fringies swallow hard and vote for a Freddie Mac lobbyist, an ethics violator who paid a $350,000 fine while getting booting as Speaker, deep-Washington-insider-health-insurance-company-lobbying-gold-Tiffany-plated adulterer would be quite a bit of schadenfreude.
The fringies can then explain their families values and moral superiority while voting for polyamourous Newt "the GOP budget is right-wing social engineering" Gingrich.
The 7th or 8th woman (I lost track) steps forward; Herman's kept her for 13 years. Cell phone records with Herman's number. Fox called and Herman answered.
Stone cold lying, caught red handed.
Doesn't matter though, Cain's done anyway.
Cain ready to quit today. Have you seen any photos of all those women? One thing in common, and it won't play on with the far right primary voters.
Which leaves us the Newtster as the only available non-Mitt:
Newton Leroy "the-Tiffany-plated-FreddieMac-lobbyist" Gingrich
"Gingrich on his success: "The American people want an adult, and no one has a stronger record of adultery than I do."
If Cain just married, cheated on and divorced all those women like Newt did, he's be on top.
Perspective: still voting for Herman as a protest vote?
A black man being friendly with white women, whether or not the relationships were any more than friendship, is not going to play well with the social conservatives. Cain might have the fortitude to stand up to the extremists, but his sponsors likely did not and money wins elections. You knew the extremists would be working extra hard to dig up dirt on him, whether or not there was any truth to it.
Gingrich has a much worse record with women than Cain is alleged to have, but since Gingrich is white, the conservatives may give him a pass.
The family values party is giving "Three Family" Newt a pass.
It just amazes me they accept the hypocrisy!
Newtie "I cheated around cuz I luv 'Murica too much" Newton takes a huge lead in Iowa, mittens drops to 3, Ricky "ever see the corndog photo?" Parry spends millions to sit at 6% while the GOP and the media ignore the real libertarian, Ron Paul, in a strong 2nd place.
Newtie Rootie Tootin' Newton! The tiffany of candidates!
The guy cheats on his wife while trying to impeach someone for cheating on his wife.
Amazing pair on that guy!
"Former U.S. House Speaker Newt Gingrich has carved out a clear lead in what’s become a three-candidate race in Iowa, according to The Des Moines Register’s new Iowa Poll.
Texas Rep. Ron Paul has risen into second place, and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney has slid to third with just over a month before the Iowa caucuses kick off voting in the presidential nominating process.
Gingrich has support from 25 percent of likely Republican caucusgoers, Paul is at 18 percent and Romney at 16 percent.
Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann ties with retired Georgia business executive Herman Cain at 8 percent.
The poll was conducted before Cain suspended his candidacy on Saturday.
Rounding out the field: Texas Gov. Rick Perry and former U.S. Sen. Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania at 6 percent each, and former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman at 2 percent.
Selzer & Co. of Des Moines conducted the poll of 401 likely Republican caucusgoers Nov. 27-30. The poll has a margin of error of plus or minus 4.9 percentage points."
Newt has ten point lead over Romne nationwide, must be picking up all of Herman's supporters.
from the Nation:
"But how does the Tea Party feel about Gingrich? Decidedly mixed. On the one hand, he embodies much of what they loathe about politics: a career politician who has lobbied on behalf of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Gingrich has profited from his political influence, and he earned a rebuke from the House Ethics Committee while he was Speaker of the House in 1996. He also has taken many positions in the past that may alarm them, most notably filming a commercial with Nancy Pelosi endorsing action against climate change, and most recently calling for a “humane” policy towards illegal immigrants.
.... And unlike, say, Rick Perry or Michele Bachmann, he has a high enough IQ .... to make the case against Obama in complete, often coherent, sentences."
Often, though not always.
Does Newt have high enough IQ to coherently explain a half million dollar BLING bill at Tiffanys?
the punditry class, including a nobel laureate , offer tidbits:
" [W]hy am I not more excited by the Gingrich surge?
In the first place, Gingrich loves government more than I do. He has no Hayekian modesty to restrain his faith in statist endeavor. For example, he has called for “a massive new program to build a permanent lunar colony to exploit the Moon’s resources.” He has suggested that “a mirror system in space could provide the light equivalent of many full moons so that there would be no need for nighttime lighting of the highways.”
I’m for national greatness conservatism, but this is a little too great.
Furthermore, he has an unconservative faith in his own innocence. The crossroads where government meets enterprise can be an exciting crossroads. It can also be a corrupt crossroads. It requires moral rectitude to separate public service from private gain. Gingrich was perfectly content to belly up to the Freddie Mac trough and then invent a Hamiltonian rational to justify his own greed."
" [A]ccording to the prediction market Intrade, there’s a 45 percent chance that a real-life Gordon Gekko will be the next Republican presidential nominee.
I am not, of course, the first person to notice the similarity between Mitt Romney’s business career and the fictional exploits of Oliver Stone’s antihero. In fact, the labor-backed group Americans United for Change is using “Romney-Gekko” as the basis for an ad campaign. But there’s an issue here that runs deeper than potshots against Mr. Romney.
For the current orthodoxy among Republicans is that we mustn’t even criticize the wealthy, let alone demand that they pay higher taxes, because they’re “job creators.” Yet the fact is that quite a few of today’s wealthy got that way by destroying jobs rather than creating them. And Mr. Romney’s business history offers a very good illustration of that fact."
Like when obama was running, we on the right were yelling "We agree with everyone p'o'd about deficit spending, but Obama will be the fox guarding the henhouse and it will triple..so vote against him." And here we are, pushing 16 trillion in debt...so much debt that we could take everything everyone earns this year to pay it off, and have nothing for next year.
So, with this election, we say again, anybody by Obama. The most fiscally conservative President we can elect, we will vote for. We must stop the destruction of our country.
For all Newt's warts, he was the Majority leader when Clinton decided to follow the will of the people after the Repubs swept into power..and the budget got balance.
I am voting for Newt. The biggest threat to our country is its economic failing right now. A country in such debt will fail in all ways, and painfully. See Greece. See Europe and what is happening.
Primaries: most conservative Repub we can get. Newt is much more conservative than Romney, who has never once turned down the chance to increase government and spending.
Election: Anybody but Obama and sweep Democrats fully out of both Houses, and all State offices.
We have to get our country back under some level of fiscal responsibility and stop the attitude that enslaving our kids to our "dreams" is just fine.
BTW..show me a country with no rich folks, and I will show you a country that is starving. You can't believe that shooting holes in the front of the boat where the rich folks are can possibly work out for the poor folks in the back.
By the way, Krugman has always pushed for more taxes, more government, more regulation, more "distribution of wealth"..Krugman is a communist or progressive or pure socialist or whatever you want to call him, but I certainly have come to learn that if we do the opposite of what Krugman wants, we are better off.
The trillion dollar "stimulus" delighted Krugman..and of course when it failed, as predicted, all Krugman could say is "double down on failure".
"The trillion dollar "stimulus" delighted Krugman..and of course when it failed, as predicted, all Krugman could say is "double down on failure"."
It wasn't a trillion, and half of it WAS tax cuts. It did stem the tide of Bush recession job losses, and Krugman was right, there should have been a larger package.
Perspective conveniently ignores the fact that Bush's last months in office had job losses of over 700,000 per month for many months in a row.
Humid..you MUST be kidding, right?
Half was "tax cuts"??? Where? 6% went to the "shovel ready" jobs that Obama promised were there ( then joked about " I guess they weren't so shovel ready" 2 years later)..the rest to States to fund their State Union Employees for one year. (GREAT use of our children's taxes, wasn't it?)
As to the cost Web Link try over 3 trillion in true costs, using the left's favorite manner of counting war costs to include all future costs from a war, including pensions, disability, medical care etc.
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