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Higher fines backed for gas-powered leaf blowers

Original post made on Feb 8, 2023

Spurred by popular demand, the Palo Alto City Council voted on Monday to ramp up enforcement of the city's long-standing and often-ignored ban on gas-powered leaf blowers.

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Posted by Carol
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Feb 8, 2023 at 11:25 am

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My yard is full of drought tolerant succulents and raking is impossible. I haven't had a lawn in decades, but I've had to hand rake (or pick by hand) leaves from birch trees, magnolia tree, a dying oak tree, and others. Without a leaf blower, my 7500 square foot lot (more lot than house) would be a cemetery for many of my succulents.


Posted by Barron Parker Too
a resident of Barron Park
on Feb 8, 2023 at 11:49 am

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Thank you, City Council. Very good to see you engaged in the issue, after 17 years of non-enforcement. And thank you for removing the "5-day to check for compliance" rule, that renders the legislation for all practical purposes unenforceable. And kudos to Sheyner for fine reporting.

I'd like to suggest two things:
(1) BOTH homeowners and gardeners be held responsible and fined for violations. Both need to be cited immediately. The proposed fines are large enough to get the attention of homeowners and discourage violators, which is the object of the legislation.
(2) It makes sense to extend the ban on gas-powered blowers to commercial zones, but not to parks.


Posted by ndn
a resident of Downtown North
on Feb 8, 2023 at 1:41 pm

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I have no lawns at all, but a lot of leaves and debris since my garden was designer conceived to provide shade in the summer with many trees, light and sun in the winter and low maintenance few plantings and many large pots of low water plants. I will not rake because I'm old and sick and a job that takes my gardener 5 minutes will take an hour or more and 10 times the price It will not will not work at all for me. Cut all my trees and pave? The solution might be a more reasonable one : set up on way day a week of garden work with electrical blowers and the city only sets that day. All gardeners come the same day and the other 6 days are we are blower free. Those who look for an ideal solution will be surprised by the foreseen and unforeseen consequences of being impossibly strict.
Life in a city has to be balanced and the perspectives of other also considered.
I too like lack of noisy but this is a city. Electric blowers? I'm all for it. Wanting a back breaking impossibly expensive gardening? Unworkable.





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Posted by sequoiadean
a resident of Los Altos
on Feb 8, 2023 at 1:46 pm

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That's great news that the city will enforce the gas leaf blower ban. And fining homeowners as well as the gardeners, or even instead of the gardeners, is the way to go. Right now, homeowners can claim ignorance, or just avoid talking to their gardeners, but if the fine comes to them, I'll bet they'll have their gardeners switch to electric in no time.

And even better, leave the leaves, or rake them!


Posted by Laura
a resident of Midtown
on Feb 8, 2023 at 3:54 pm

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It all sounds fine on paper but you must realize that the people who will bear the brunt of this ruling are the workers who cannot afford to buy new equipment and probably none of whom live in Palo Alto. They also might be ignorant of the law. I believe that a warning should be issued, once, to notify these working people of Palo Alto's intent. We have offered to help pay for new equipment for our gardener and hopefully he will also ask the other people he works for for some financial help. Let the City Council put their money where their mouths are and help defray some of these costs.


Posted by Bystander
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Feb 8, 2023 at 4:05 pm

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There are lots of problems here. In fact, many gardeners may choose to stay away from Palo Alto altogether, others start charging even more, and many will choose to allow their yards turn into a pile of weeds and leaves and never touched at all. Not everyone has the money to pay for more expense of a gardener taking twice as long. Not everyone has the strength to rake their own leaves. Not everyone has a lawn, but have lots of pots and raised flower beds that would make raking impossible.

As for electric, where will they be charged? How long does it take for a full charge?

I have no real interest in bans of any type. I do feel this might be cutting off the nose to spite our faces.


Posted by sequoiadean
a resident of Los Altos
on Feb 8, 2023 at 5:24 pm

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Hey Bystander, do you enjoy being outside when the horrible fumes and noise from gas leaf blowers waft through the neighborhood? No one does, and the gardeners bear the brunt of the ill effects. If you really need a gardener, and can't afford a penny more for his time, pay him to do what he can in the same amount of time - you don't need to remove every single leaf from your property.

Palo Alto is not the only city in the area to ban leaf blowers, and their sale in all of California is banned as of July 1, 2024, so no matter what we're at the beginning of the end of these awful devices.


Posted by Me
a resident of Palo Alto High School
on Feb 8, 2023 at 5:48 pm

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This is such a ridiculous first-world issue. Have some tolerance, Palo Altans. I work remotely and the leave blowing is about 10 minutes per house and not every day. When I lived in the midwest, people would mow their large lawns on the weekends, equating to hearing lawn mowers all day long because they could be a block away from the house yet the noise travels and mowing a large lawn can take 30 minutes. As soon as one would stop, another would begin. No peaceful or relaxing weekend to be had.

How about all the trespassing dogs pooping on our properties and at the school grounds while the owners leave the poop or take it but still leave residue on the lawn? That's more of a nuisance, the students step in the poop and take it to the classroom, it's a health issue. I saw a dog defecating on an elementary school kindergarten lawn in the morning while everyone was arriving to school. Oh, but that is okay because Palo Altans need to have their dogs? It's okay if a child's bare hand touches the poop or the poop residue?

What was worse was the 200 planes flying over Palo Alto from 2014 to 2020. Every 3 minutes, a plane overhead so loud that the TV cannot drown it out . . . which seems to have subsided. Did they change the routes?


Posted by Bystander
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Feb 8, 2023 at 6:57 pm

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@sequoiadean

We do our own yard work and use a mower on the grass and an electric blower for the roof area.

We walk around outside and when we come across a gardener with a blower we find that they politely stop until we have passed and we thank them. There is more noise from the many lots with construction and get as much pollen and dust from the many tree trimmers as they do their work and rarely stop as we walk by.

I am not saying these things aren't annoying, but they are not as bad as the smoke coming from chimneys or back yard fire pits which happen in both winter and summer evenings often way into the late hours.

Should chimneys and outside fire pits be banned also?


Posted by Rose
a resident of Mayfield
on Feb 8, 2023 at 11:42 pm

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Most Palo Alto residents can afford to buy an electric leaf blower for their gardener. Problem solved. Some have already done so.


Posted by Bystander
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Feb 9, 2023 at 7:58 am

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@Rose, yes I will accept that buying an electric blower, keeping it charged, and then asking your gardener to use it is a good solution for each home owner. The gardener then will have to use a different model in each residence, but it can be done.


Posted by Eeyore
a resident of Adobe-Meadow
on Feb 9, 2023 at 11:53 am

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If I didn’t do my own yard work (with an electric blower), I would be happy to purchase one for any gardener to use on our house. The cost is probably no more than a month or two of landscape service. We don’t need noisy, grossly polluting, two stroke gas engines anywhere near where we and our children live.


Posted by Hal
a resident of Leland Manor/Garland Drive
on Feb 10, 2023 at 8:12 am

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City Council is putting a ban on the use of gas powered leaf blowers but we can still purchase them in the community. Parts, oil mix, and gasoline as well as gasoline containers are still easily purchased. No background check, training, or age requirement for purchase. We can even have them shipped to our homes. Pretty easy to ban something but much harder to follow thru.


Posted by Bill Bucy
a resident of Barron Park
on Feb 12, 2023 at 10:09 am

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I find it a bit precious that Palo Alto has an employee dedicated solely to enforcing the leaf blower ban. Still, it might be amusing to see the reaction of people when the person explains what they do for a living.


Posted by Local news junkie
a resident of Charleston Meadows
on Feb 12, 2023 at 10:51 am

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I bought an electric blower for my gardener (didn’t cost that much), and he uses it with no complaints.


Posted by Annette
a resident of College Terrace
on Feb 13, 2023 at 6:22 am

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I am encouraged by the opening phrase of this article. Spurred by popular demand. Is this a sign that the new CC is going to take a page out of Biden's book and "finish the job"? If yes, we have many things to look forward to.

No doubt we could all write our own list. Mine includes maintaining effective staffing in PAFD and PAPD, repurposing of unused commercial buildings, a reliable electrical grid, fully open libraries, a focus on what's in the best interest of Palo Alto and its residents, access to the City Manager, right-sizing of the CM's office, an end to shenanigans regarding the timing of the disclosure of budget information, financial decisions that are reflective of current economic realities, and pushback on state mandates that are not funded and that overlook serious realities such as infrastructure deficits.


Posted by Bystander
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Feb 13, 2023 at 7:26 am

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Annette, my list would be based on serving residents' needs and infrastructure that makes life better for us on an everyday basis. To get rid of red tape with permits and inspections so that residents who remodel can get these necessary applications done in a timely manner. To put efficient traffic flow as a priority rather than roadblocks that cause gridlock and to make parking in downtown a simple process rather than the confused mess that is hard to understand.

Bring back common sense, they are to serve the residents not to make life more difficult.


Posted by Jim Hols.....
a resident of Community Center
on Feb 13, 2023 at 11:10 am

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I will buy an electric leaf blower and keep it charged for my gardener. I also heartily agree with Pat Burt. Leave some leaves! Especially as we eliminate lawns the bushes and plants Maybe there should be a ban on blowing in streets and sidewalks. Just get the bulk with a rake. Not much time involved.


Posted by Eeyore
a resident of Adobe-Meadow
on Feb 14, 2023 at 8:30 pm

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The CC is finally enforcing regulations based on serving residents needs. In this case, relief from two stroke pollution and noise. I know for a fact that everyone of y neighbors could easily afford to purchase and maintain battery powered landscaping equipment for their gardeners. Judging from the Teslas in their driveways. It is just ignorance that allows them to hire gardeners who mow and blow.

Two stroke engines are like cigarettes, past time for them to go.


Posted by Eeyore
a resident of Adobe-Meadow
on Feb 14, 2023 at 8:33 pm

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The CC is finally enforcing regulations based on serving residents needs. In this case, relief from two stroke pollution and noise. I know for a fact that everyone of y neighbors could easily afford to purchase and maintain battery powered landscaping equipment for their gardeners. Judging from the iTeslas in their driveways. It is just ignorance that allows them to hire gardeners who mow and blow.

Two stroke engines are like cigarettes, past time for them to go.


Posted by KSES
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Feb 23, 2023 at 2:11 pm

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Our gardener was resistant to using an electric blower for our corner lot until we showed them our two outdoor electric sockets. We pay for the electricity and they don't have to pay for the gas. They manage a very long extension cord with ease and have no concerns about recharging batteries.


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