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Stanford plans to bring half of its undergraduates back to campus this fall, but they'll still mostly learn online

Original post made on Jun 29, 2020

Stanford University will alternate bringing half of its undergraduate students to campus for different quarters, with most courses still happening online -- even for students who are living there in person.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Monday, June 29, 2020, 5:14 PM

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8 people like this
Posted by Anonymous
a resident of Charleston Gardens
on Jun 29, 2020 at 11:48 pm

How much will the tuition reduction be, to account for a diminished student experience? Stanford tuition ain't cheap.


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Posted by chris
a resident of University South
on Jun 30, 2020 at 12:58 am

Anonymous,

Full tuition is far less than full cost of the education, so students are already getting a discount on cost. Then most students don't pay full tuition and many pay little or no tuition. so those students effectively get an even bigger discount.

Students have the option to live at home if they don't want to pay to live on campus because the campus atmosphere will be relatively sterile. Do they prefer to spend the term with their parents or spend time at a place where they can have some limited in-person interaction with their peers?


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Jun 30, 2020 at 1:45 am

It seems like this kind of schedule would increase the spread since there would be more air travel trips.


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Posted by Chris
a resident of University South
on Jun 30, 2020 at 7:55 am

Students that return in the fall will leave in November and not come back until June. There is no back and forth during that time. So very limited travel.


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Posted by Nancy
a resident of another community
on Jun 30, 2020 at 8:44 am

It sounds like the students will be in solitary confinement. The adverse mental health issues for students will likely be much greater than Covid-related ones. Many other universities are welcoming all students back and having a mix of live and remote instruction. Stanford could do much more for the students. What happened to Stanford's statement that class in tents was a possibility? Stanford has the space and the resources to make it happen.


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Posted by LosAltosDoc
a resident of Los Altos
on Jun 30, 2020 at 11:09 am

I'd take a year off for self-directed reading and online education with MIT Open Access and other equivalent providers. Then, I'd return to campus in Fall 2021 PROVIDED there is a highly protective Covid vaccine with minimal side effects. Staying on campus is not an option IMHO. Shared hallways, shared air conditioning, shared restrooms (including showers and basins!!!), the list goes on an on.


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Posted by JR
a resident of Palo Verde
on Jun 30, 2020 at 11:22 am

Stanford with its $26 billon endowment could easily take steps to socially distance its students by renting now-vacant hotels and other unused property. If I were a Stanford student, I would demand half tuition discount for half-year learning.


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Posted by Anonymous
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Jun 30, 2020 at 2:05 pm

When they stroll or bike into downtown, can Stanford students please wear masks? Many of us are, let’s just say, older than Stanford students and their circulating in our community may increase our risk as many would likely be asymptomatic.
Please don’t take all our local test capacity, either. We local residents need to have this. Only recently were we able to get a test at PA City Hall - Thank you! - this was VERY helpful to the 2,130 or so of us northern Santa Clara County residents who finally got tested.
Knowing Stanford’s power and financial muscle, I fear they will take all tests, PPE, medical capacity and whatever else may b3come crucial.


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Jun 30, 2020 at 2:30 pm

@anonymous. Good suggestions. I suggest posting your comments on reddit in the r/stanford community/subreddit. Many students read it - especially international students.


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Posted by chris
a resident of University South
on Jun 30, 2020 at 5:01 pm

JR,

Students will be attending classes for 3 quarters, same as usual. They can spend 2 of the 3 quarters on campus, if they wish, but they are not required to do so. Students can transfer another school if they don’t like the Stanford program, but which school do you KNOW will be doing a better job?


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Posted by chris
a resident of University South
on Jun 30, 2020 at 5:07 pm

Renting hotel rooms would require mingling between the campus and community, which would be risky for both groups. Absolutely NO undergraduates will be allowed to live off-campus.

The university has canceled all reunions, and I suspect that if football games are played nobody living off-campus will be allowed to attend.

Students will be sent home before a Thanksgiving and almost all of that group will not return until June. I would also guess students could be sent home if they flagrantly violate the limited group restrictions.


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Posted by Colleges should put work into helping students access to voting this year
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jun 30, 2020 at 6:46 pm

Universities are some of the most impacted organizations because of our administration's mismanagement of the pandemic (starting with 125,000 Americans dead as opposed to just 9,000 in Germany with 1/4 our population, or areas in parts of Southeast Asia with the same population having only 2,000 deaths.)

I would hope that now that Stanford and other universities have a plan, that they would all decide to put real effort into ensuring their distanced students can figure out easily where their voting residency is and how to register to vote/vote absentee. Young people have historically found it difficult to vote when they are in college, this fall there will be more uncertainty than ever. The colleges should take it as their civic duty to ensure that all students can vote.


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Posted by Peter Davis
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Jul 1, 2020 at 7:45 pm

If student athletes are required to be on campus for the entire school year because of their training and competition demands there could be only 2 student athletes from each class year per sport required on campus while the rest of their classmates who are not athletes are either there for 2 quarters or not at all. I would suspect that student athletes might prefer to take a gap year .


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Posted by student
a resident of Stanford
on Jul 6, 2020 at 2:18 pm

The Trump administration says they will deport foreign students if their universities are not offering in-person classes during the pandemic. CNN News report: Web Link


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Jul 7, 2020 at 4:27 am

I don't understand how universities can allow students to return to campus to live and eat in dormitories, sit in enclosed rooms for instruction, or work in labs.
The situation is getting worse in the US, and also in countries like New Zealand and Australia who are having trouble dealing with their returning citizens.
It is unbelievable how Stanford is discussing housing assignments with their international students at this time. Just tell these students to stay in their homelands for now.
It is for their protection, and the protection of our community - regardless of what the government says. It is common sense. Stanford should not allow themselves to be blinded by the loss of foreign money during a global crisis.
They should start focusing on downsizing themselves like other corporations if they want to survive this.


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Posted by student
a resident of Stanford
on Jul 7, 2020 at 11:03 am

Donald Trump and Betsy DeVos says schools must fully reopen this year. Online classes and part-time classes are a scam to discredit the Republicans. AP News report: Web Link


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Posted by student
a resident of Stanford
on Jul 7, 2020 at 2:03 pm

CNN News report: "Trump administration's planned purge of international students serves a cruel purpose"
Web Link


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Posted by Anon
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jul 7, 2020 at 2:38 pm

Posted by student, a resident of Stanford:

>> The Trump administration says they will deport foreign students if their universities are not offering in-person classes during the pandemic.

If every student who is on-campus has at least one in-person class, would that satisfy "the administration"? A lot of lectures with 500+ students might as well be online anyway, but, it would be nice to have at least one 10-person seminar per quarter/semester anyway, with classes held outdoors. Has the administration actually published regulations? If they have, where are the regulations online?



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Posted by TA
a resident of College Terrace
on Jul 7, 2020 at 9:38 pm

FYI my department (like I'm sure many others) is really trying to offer in-person classes each quarter to provide the opportunity for international students to legally remain on campus.


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Posted by Mom of college student
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Jul 7, 2020 at 11:08 pm

At some colleges, students will not be permitted to go off campus. I would request that Stanford follow this rule. It's not great for the local economy, but it will help keep Stanford and the community safe.


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Posted by student
a resident of Stanford
on Jul 8, 2020 at 11:56 am

Harvard and MIT sue Trump administration over online-only instruction for foreign students in the US. CNN News report: Web Link


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Posted by student
a resident of Stanford
on Jul 8, 2020 at 12:00 pm

Harvard, MIT sue Trump administration over rule that strips visas from international students. NBC News report: Web Link


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Posted by student
a resident of Stanford
on Jul 9, 2020 at 2:13 pm

99 members of Congress demand Trump administration withdraw threats to deport foreign college students. NBC News report: Web Link


8 people like this
Posted by student
a resident of Stanford
on Jul 9, 2020 at 10:18 pm

California Will Sue Trump Administration Over International Student Visa Policy. CBS News report: Web Link


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Posted by student
a resident of Stanford
on Jul 13, 2020 at 4:27 pm

200 universities and 17 states sue the Trump administration over the threat to deport foreign students attending universities with online classes during the pandemic: Web Link


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Posted by student
a resident of Stanford
on Jul 14, 2020 at 1:21 pm

The Trump administration abandons plans to deport foreign college students. CNN News report: Web Link


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Posted by in-person
a resident of College Terrace
on Jul 14, 2020 at 9:45 pm

Very few classes will be offered in-person, and most of these will be taught by un-tenured faculty members who are typically younger and at lower risk and can be more easily coerced into risking their health. Overall this will be Zoom U lite.


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Posted by Newsom order impact?
a resident of Green Acres
on Jul 17, 2020 at 8:23 pm

Now that all K-12 schools in Santa Clara County will be online only this year dur to rising COVID-19 infections, will Stanford move their classes online as well? Or is the health of Stanford junior faculty and students less of a concern that that of K-12 teachers and students in PAUSD and other Santa Clara county schools??


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Posted by assitant prof
a resident of Stanford
on Jul 18, 2020 at 9:18 pm

I get the sense that Stanford undergrads and their parents are not terribly concerned (and certainly significantly less concerned than PAUSD parents) about students or instructors contracting covid-19 by participating in one of the few in-person classes. Instead, they seem content that the residence halls will remain open so students can enjoy the social/networking benefits of living on-campus for 2 quarters, even if most of their classes are on Zoom. Please remind me why some of us are being coerced to put our and our families' lives on the line for what appears to be a minor component of the college experience.


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Jul 19, 2020 at 6:21 pm

@ Assistant prof
I believe foreign students (both undergrads and graduate students) will be the greatest presence on campus. They put up the biggest fight to stay in March to remain on campus for the remainder of the year. Many do not want to return to their home countries because it may ruin their long term immigration goals of staying and working in the US forever. Students from developing countries paid migration brokers in their home countries lots of money to fix their applications to get into Stanford - so they have no intention of returning - Covid or not. Their excuses to stay were lame, but they "won".
Students who are not already on campus - are on their way. Some TA's still have no idea what courses they will be teaching.
Check Reddit (r/Stanford) "Stanford PhD Life" for posts made just in the past day or so.
Clearly these graduate students are disregarding rules, and the health and welfare of the community. These overly social grad students don't care if they infect people in our community by their shopping, drinking, partying, and dining out. They think they are above the law.
Here are just a few excerpts from Reddit from the past day.

"Hi! I’m an incoming PhD student and a social butterfly! I was curious to know if PhD students here engage in social activates/events, or are students more introverts?"

"brokeh1b
Well, if you want, you can always hang out around Palo Alto (Menlo Park may be better since it belongs to San Mateo) under the county’s guidance. Stanford cannot control what grad students are doing off-campus."
---------------
"Rains hosts Thursday beers EVERY week! It’s mostly for Rains people, but I’ve seen many people from outside (even postdocs). Stop by one of those!"


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Posted by Covid-19 ready
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Jul 19, 2020 at 8:21 pm

@Newsom Order Impact,
A district in a County who is off the watch list for 14 days can offer in-person live instruction. In addition, in Santa Clara County, any district, private school, or charter may ask for a waiver elementary to be taught in-person live with protocols. Yes, for right now, for the next two weeks, PAUSD is in this pickle, but we can get out of it. The order does not apply to non K-12.


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