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Jordan Hall carries the name of Stanford's controversial founding president. A new committee will consider requests to remove it.

Original post made on Apr 21, 2020

A Stanford University committee will consider faculty and student requests to rename Jordan Hall, named for the university's controversial founding president, who was also a eugenicist.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 11:35 AM

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9 people like this
Posted by white supremacy
a resident of Stanford
on Apr 21, 2020 at 11:47 am

Jordan was a white supremacist 100 years ago. Is white supremacy only becoming recognized as evil now that Trump is President?


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Posted by midtown resident
a resident of Leland Manor/Garland Drive
on Apr 21, 2020 at 12:28 pm

It really is a travesty to erase history we went through as a country , removing books from schools , changing names of schools. After all this time, adjusting/deleting what history has made us into. A great country. Never forget! This history being erased can remove the memory , a huge lesson, to not go there again...


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Posted by white supremacy
a resident of Stanford
on Apr 21, 2020 at 1:21 pm

We should not be erasing our history. We need to carefully document it so future generations can learn from it. Stanford's white supremacist history has been hidden for too many years.


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Posted by redplanet
a resident of Palo Alto High School
on Apr 21, 2020 at 1:34 pm

Suddenly Stanford decides to rename Jordan Hall? The murder of Jane Stanford wasn't enough to give some thought to who this person really was? Like another writer I am not for erasure of history by eliminating names and statues and am always one for a robust conversation and a conversation starter. No one is perfect - but we're not going to eliminate Jefferson because he kept records of how much he was making from the fields tended to by his slaves. So Jordan - let's out him for this: Web Link and if the students at Stanford want more egalitarianism they should begin by teaching more about Jane. She was awesome.(and so was Leland, in some similar and some very different ways)


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Posted by AlexDeLarge
a resident of Midtown
on Apr 21, 2020 at 2:11 pm

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Posted by Resident
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Apr 21, 2020 at 2:19 pm

Perhaps these graduate students should have done a little research before accepting their scholarships to Stanford to study, and making it their focus to complain and change the University they voluntarily selected.

Senator Stanford loathed Asians. He emphasizes it in his inaugural address.
You can call him prescient, or call him a eugenicist, but he was one of the great industrialists (like my great great grandfather) in our state.

Web Link

This is about as ridiculous as a foreign born newcomer to Palo Alto demanding that the name of Jordan Junior High School be changed. It's name is Jordan, and it will never be any other name to thousands of students before he arrived. This then stirred a huge divide between the vocal newly arrived Chinese and our long time respectable Japanese American and Chinese American citizens.

It is a historical fact that eugenics was studied and practiced not only on non-western people, but on whites as well.


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Posted by Anon
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Apr 21, 2020 at 3:27 pm

Posted by midtown resident, a resident of Leland Manor/Garland Drive

>> It really is a travesty to erase history we went through as a country , removing books from schools , changing names of schools.

I'm sorry but I don't see the moral equivalency. I think it is perfectly OK to change the name of schools. Should be done more often.

As for Jordan, he wrote one of the dumbest books I have ever read: Web Link. He definitely should have stuck to Ichthyology. If the Department of Ichthyology was in Jordan Hall, I would say "Keep the name." Unfortunately, I think it is the home of the Psychology Department, and, likely the place where Lewis Terman did his research. In which case-- "Rename it!"


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Posted by Covid-Kid
a resident of Mountain View
on Apr 22, 2020 at 3:56 am

Leland Stanford was an unapologetic racist! We need to rename the University! Why is there no committee on this?
Web Link


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Posted by Me 2
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Apr 22, 2020 at 9:28 am

"Leland Stanford was an unapologetic racist! We need to rename the University! Why is there no committee on this?"

Maybe because it was named after his son?

In any case, it was dumb to rename Jordan and Terman. It's dumb to rename this building.

Hindsight is 20/20

Who knows - in 100 years, we'll see how "racist" the climate change movement really is and we'll take down those names too.

(sarcasm)


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Posted by Mark Weiss
a resident of Downtown North
on Apr 22, 2020 at 10:21 am

What Do You Stand For?


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Posted by The Name Game Or Blame Game?
a resident of Crescent Park
on Apr 22, 2020 at 10:59 am

Eugenics is a controversial topic/subject from the standpoint of how it is interpreted & utilized.

On one hand, contemporary medical researchers are continually studying & identifying potential and/or genetically-related birth defects, striving to either minimalize or eliminate the causal factors.

On the other hand & historically speaking, various societies have pushed the concept of eugenics to extremes based on racism/ethnocentrism...resulting in genocide & human rights violations.

Plato stressed the critical importance of selective breeding in 400BC to improve the fabric of Greek society and the Romans & ancient Germanic tribes weeded out what they perceived were 'undesirable' traits via euthanasia & abortions.

Ironically, the Catholic Church opposed eugenics based their opposition to abortion yet practiced various forms of eugenics via their Inquisition 'concept'.

So as far as renaming Stanford University or Jordan Hall...No comment or opinion one way or the other as it amounts to a PC-centric alteration/correction VS acknowledging our past history and ideally evolving as human beings.




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Posted by Anon
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Apr 22, 2020 at 11:14 am

Posted by Covid-Kid, a resident of Mountain View

>> Leland Stanford was an unapologetic racist! We need to rename the University!

Leland Stanford Junior University Web Link was named after this person: Web Link.


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Apr 22, 2020 at 11:33 am

Margaret Sanger was a eugenist and she founded Planned Parenthood for eugenist reasons. I don't see anyone complaining about that!


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Posted by Anon
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Apr 22, 2020 at 11:50 am

Posted by Resident, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood

>> Margaret Sanger was a eugenist and she founded Planned Parenthood for eugenist reasons. I don't see anyone complaining about that!

Actually, lots and lots of people have noted Margaret Sanger's history, and, complained about parts of it. It isn't a secret by any means. Here is an article from Time Magazine in 2016:

Web Link

But, just so you know, a lot of the people who bring this up all the time are Right-Wing-Authoritarians who are against birth control and women's reproductive rights. Just so you know-- I'm in favor of birth control and women's reproductive rights, and, personal freedom for both women and men.


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Posted by Another resident
a resident of Midtown
on Apr 22, 2020 at 12:09 pm

Two problems here. First, looking at historical events through the lens of present-day values, whatever those are, is an intellectual error. Societies evolve and what may have been acceptable 100 years ago may not seem so now. Using a present day yardstick to measure behavior of historical people is just such an error.

Second, no one is perfect. There are many icons out there, such as John F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King, who seem unassailable now, but in 25 or 100 years may have their names removed from streets and schools for their missteps, which are in the current environment not deemed impeachable.

IMHO the school/building renaming thing is simply PC at its "best".


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Posted by Anon
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Apr 22, 2020 at 12:36 pm

Posted by Another resident, a resident of Midtown

>> Two problems here. First, looking at historical events through the lens of present-day values, whatever those are, is an intellectual error.

“The past is a foreign country; they do things differently there.”

>> Second, no one is perfect. There are many icons out there, such as John F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King, who seem unassailable now, but in 25 or 100 years may have their names removed from streets and schools for their missteps, which are in the current environment not deemed impeachable.

You know what? I'm OK with that. I've never been in favor of naming things after people, but, any time you name something after a person, you run the risk that someone in the future may change it. About the only thing still named after Adolph Hitler is the beetle "Anophthalmus hitleri" Web Link

>> IMHO the school/building renaming thing is simply PC at its "best".

My preference is still to name schools after trees, but, if you must name a school after a person, Ellen Fletcher was one of the best: Web Link


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Apr 22, 2020 at 1:10 pm

P.S. I will say to add to my previous post and any criticism of what I say is that I have absolutely nothing against contraception or women's reproductive rights. I also believe in the rights of the living preborn and the rights of all living humans after birth.


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Posted by Jim
a resident of Professorville
on Apr 22, 2020 at 3:29 pm

I agree that Jordan Hall should be renamed.

I do not agree with the current trend of shaming, ostracizing, or firing a person who has led an exemplary life over the misuse of a single word, or similar one-off mistake. I also do not agree that books should be removed from libraries, or that people or ideas should be erased from history.

But I also do not agree that people who spent years promoting a profoundly immoral ideology should be honored. Actions have consequences, and the eugenics movement led directly to the most monstrous evil of the 20th century, the murder of over 12 million innocent human beings in the holocaust.

In my opinion, a prominent promoter of eugenics does not deserve to be honored at Stanford University.


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Posted by Big10Alum
a resident of Stanford
on Apr 22, 2020 at 6:17 pm

The Stanford family were a bunch of politically-incorrect, capitalistic, elitist Robber Barons. [Portion removed.]


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Posted by redplanet
a resident of Palo Alto High School
on Apr 24, 2020 at 12:22 am

@Big10Alum Leland Stanford had more to him than the capitalistic robber baron persona. "As a United States senator, Stanford introduced two bills — never passed — which were decried as “fully impregnated with socialistic ideas.” His politics struck such a chord with the Populist Party, which advocated the interests of farmers and laborers, that there were calls within the movement to nominate him for the 1892 presidency" A Stanford alum, Lee Altenberg, PhD, 84, uncovered much lost documentation of this part of Leland:

"Stanford championed the idea of a world where business was controlled not by monopolies but by laborers, founding a university that he hoped would foster this vision — a hope the Stanford University of today seems to have forgotten, according to Altenberg.

“This piece of Stanford history has fallen through the cracks of the institution’s collective memory,” said Altenberg, who published his findings in a 1990 issue of the Stanford Historical Society’s journal “Sandstone & Tile.” You can find more on the matter by reading Stanford Daily account Web Link


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Apr 24, 2020 at 12:51 am

I agree that we should not look at history through the lens of today.
Eugenics was practiced on Caucasians who had parents or relatives that were alcoholics, had a history of criminality, as well as birth defects or mental illness.

Don't make this a purely racial thing.
Just drop this for now Ben.
The university has a lot on it's plate at the moment, and you are throwing more at them at the worst time.

Boredom studying undergrad history is hard, but this is not the right time to make your statement. My two cents.


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