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Peninsula cities, companies explore partnerships to tackle traffic congestion

Original post made on Oct 18, 2019

Traffic may be a regional problem, but just about every city in the Peninsula has its own local gripes -- and proposed fixes -- for easing congestion on neighborhood streets and prominent commute arteries.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Friday, October 18, 2019, 6:54 AM

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31 people like this
Posted by Don't be EVIL companies
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Oct 18, 2019 at 9:39 am

"Company representatives also explained that they plan to continue to explore all options to get their workers to and from work by ways other than solo driving. "

How about moving some of your operations to where the the people need jobs and there is affordable housing, or getting the state to invest in amenities in places that want them (like Stockton)? That's a whole heck of a lot easier on all of us, is better for the state, and doesn't require you to continue ignoring how you are crushing the lives and livelihoods of so many ordinary people so that you can all pile into the Silicon Valley clown car. TDM won't actually restore a reasonable level of traffic circulation.


36 people like this
Posted by TELE-COMMUTE!!
a resident of Adobe-Meadow
on Oct 18, 2019 at 9:48 am

How about exploring any and all options of decreasing people's need to join the congestion and get to an office 5 days a week?
That worked well in the 90s during the first tech boom.

Beat that drum loudly: Why won't companies let people telecommute???


15 people like this
Posted by Online Name
a resident of Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Oct 18, 2019 at 10:27 am

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Whatever happened to the ballot initiative to limit office space construction that only contributes to congestion? When are businesses going to start contributing THEIR fair share?

Right now residents increasingly have to pay for parking permits and our visitors (over-night and short-term) are now getting tickets for parking on the streets near our houses? The holidays are coming; warn your visiting friends and families!


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Posted by lstovel
a resident of Midtown
on Oct 18, 2019 at 1:02 pm

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It’s about time for regional planning!


7 people like this
Posted by NeilsonBuchanan
a resident of Downtown North
on Oct 18, 2019 at 1:50 pm

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In addition to ideas being expressed, this is a sound concept and worthy of implementation. The most important hurdle is scale....lots of scale and thorough communication to the 1000s workers who will have access to pooled transportation schemes.

Even if employment and jobs were frozen at today's levels, improved mass transit provided by well-managed, private non-profit TMA should work. The devil is in the details. For example, these Manzanita talks are communicating benefit to employers including our own city government with its $700k current city TMA funding. All TMAs require time to change driving habits so a multi-year rollout. Patient ROI is necessary. In the case of Palo Alto, its small, quaint TMA is a top candidate to join a regional TMA capable of operating at scale.


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Oct 18, 2019 at 2:47 pm

This has to be good news for a start. But we shall have to wait and see how useful and productive this can be. The problem is regional and cities within the region must work together and enterprise has to be coordinated to make things work.

We need express buses to get to airports from several onramp parking lots.

We need satellite parking lots with dedicated shuttles to downtown and business areas.

We need better bus routes and shuttles that cross city boundaries and not ones that are perceived to be snaking routes than are designed for poor people without cars who have hours to get to their destinations.

We need to simplify parking and all cities should have similar rules and costs.

Caltrain needs to look at the zones. It makes no sense that someone riding from Palo Alto to Redwood City pays for 2 zones, while someone riding from Palo Alto to Sunnyvale pays for 1 zone.

We need to be able to get people from Half Moon Bay, Milpitas, Union City and so many other places to be able to commute by public transit.

The more people on public transit and the more people who can park at highway ramps the more traffic will be alleviated.


35 people like this
Posted by Another Giveaway
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Oct 18, 2019 at 3:22 pm

How are residents represented?

Local government on the Peninsula has been captured by the real-estate industry, so this is just the two industries that are exploiting the infrastructure built by taxpaying residents getting together and trying to figure out how to trick the public into allowing the exploitation to continue.


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Posted by mauricio
a resident of Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Oct 18, 2019 at 3:57 pm

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The only way traffic can be reduced is for tech companies to move operations, or move entirely to areas that need economic development and can provide affordable housing. Everything else is just a waste of time and window dressing. Until politicians make it clear to the local tech industry that they absolutely must do it and that no housing help for the employees they irresponsibly keep hiring into the Bay Area would be generated, nothing will change.


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Posted by Invisible Hand
a resident of Atherton
on Oct 18, 2019 at 10:01 pm

What mauricio said x100


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Community Center
on Oct 18, 2019 at 10:30 pm

TMA is a scam. There is fundamentally nothing wrong with driving your car alone and its not something that should be reserved for the elite. The hypocrisy with this obsession of "getting people to stop driving solo" is through the roof, and its also delusional because no one's gonna stop driving solo, okay??


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Posted by musical
a resident of Palo Verde
on Oct 19, 2019 at 1:04 am

^ The true elite don't drive alone. They have a chauffeur.


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Posted by Physics
a resident of Adobe-Meadow
on Oct 19, 2019 at 4:29 am

No, there's nothing inherently "Wrong" with solo driving. Just know that solo driving will likely take longer and longer as more people do it, and if you WANT traffic to move faster as you drive solo, the only way is to reduce the number of other drivers on the road.

Do what you want but know the only reason for our traffic is too many cars in too little space. That is the very definition of traffic...to many cars for the conditions.
Some say it's the tech companies. If they move guess what would happen...YES! a reduction of cars on the road would occur and improve traffic.
The moving doesn't do it, the removal of those cars does it.


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Posted by mauricio
a resident of Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Oct 19, 2019 at 2:47 pm

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Telling drivers in anation whose public transport is light years away from Europe and Asia not to drive solo is as futile and ridiculous a waste of time as telling college age kids not to have sex. There's one, and only one solution to the traffic quagmire:create many tech hubs around the country, pressure tech companies to move operations and/or move entirely out of the Bay Area, make it a big no no for them to keep hiring workers into the Bay Area. If this is not done, stop wasting time on fantasies like tackling the traffic quagmire.


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Posted by HUTCH 7.62
a resident of Portola Valley
on Oct 20, 2019 at 9:08 am

Sounds like increasing taxes and road diets are in order......


6 people like this
Posted by Charlie Rothschild
a resident of Los Altos
on Oct 20, 2019 at 10:03 am

I had the pleasure of attending this meeting and was very impressed by the willingness of Private enterprise to cooperate with local communities. If we are going to solve this problem, it will only come from a recognition that we are in a crisis, and the only way to solve it is by working together.

If we don't solve it, this area will become more and more unaffordable to live and work, and we we'll see an overall decline. This is the "boiling frog" concept. Newcomers will just stop coming.


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Posted by One day I realized...
a resident of Adobe-Meadow
on Oct 21, 2019 at 10:16 am

I figured it out. I realized that when people were saying it's beneficial to REDUCE solo car trips, I FINALLY realized that they were not talking about eliminating ALL my solo car trips, rather try to find an alternate to ANY solo car trip at all at any time. Maybe it's only once per year. Maybe it's 5 days a week.

It's hilarious to me that people cannot quit thinking in absolutes, as if there is only one way to do things, ever.


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Posted by Anon
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Oct 21, 2019 at 11:43 am

Posted by Charlie Rothschild, a resident of Los Altos

>> If we are going to solve this problem, it will only come from a recognition that we are in a crisis, and the only way to solve it is by working together.

Yet, companies keep doing what is convenient for themselves, not for reducing traffic. According to my app, if I leave now, using public transit, it will take me 1 hour and 20-30 minutes, depending, to get to Facebook HQ in Menlo Park, which is a half-hour shorter than if I walk- 2 hours.

Who thought that it was a good idea for Google and Facebook to locate so far off the existing "transit corridors"? And, why can't the companies and developers build rapid transit to these out-of-the-way locations?


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Posted by It's just not that hard.
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Oct 21, 2019 at 1:57 pm

It's just not that hard. is a registered user.

Well said, Charlie. I have cut my auto trips by half simply by walking or biking for trips that are less than five miles. It's just not that hard.

I'm 60 years old. I still drive for longer trips, but this is keeping me in shape...and my local trips are faster on my bike. AND, big bonus...it's fun.


22 people like this
Posted by Another Givevaway
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Oct 21, 2019 at 11:15 pm

@IJNTH,

We really need to stop with the magical thinking that bicycles can somehow solve our Bay Area wide problems with traffic congestion.

Using your bike for a few of your trips is the easy part. Using bicycles to solve our Bay Area wide problem of traffic congestion is the hard part. Bicycles are just not a practical option for the overwhelming majority of commutes and/or commuters.

Bicycles will never even make a dent in our traffic congestion as long as bicycles are bailing cars off our roads with a thimble and real-estate developers are filling cars back onto our roads with a fire hose.


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Posted by Again, for the kids in the back row
a resident of Barron Park
on Oct 22, 2019 at 6:44 am

Not ONE solution will fix anything. 20 x 5% solutions = 100%
Re-read that.


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Posted by Online Name
a resident of Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Oct 22, 2019 at 10:50 am

Online Name is a registered user.

With commuters out-numbering residents 4:1, it's way past time to reduce the number of offices being constructed, to eliminate under-parked buildings that only serve to maximize developer profit and to preserve local retail instead of sending us miles out of our way to do our shopping.


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Posted by What if...
a resident of Barron Park
on Oct 22, 2019 at 2:02 pm

What if all the commuters are just passing through to another town. How will it help if PA stops construction? It won't. You'll need all surrounding cities on board and even then, it's school commutes that seem to max out our capacity. I think I'll try biking while I wait for multi-city wide building moratorium to quickly happen that will fix it all ;)


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Posted by Another Giveaway
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Oct 22, 2019 at 5:50 pm

@ What-if,

What if all the commuters are NOT just passing through to another town? Seems a lot more likely given the fact that Palo Alto's daytime population is 3-4x Palo Alto's nighttime population.

It is really quite amazing to see the twisted logic and flimsy excuses bicycling advocates will try to use to promote their failed solution to our transportation woes.


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Oct 22, 2019 at 6:06 pm

We have absolutely no idea how many Palo Altans leave town each day for work. Therefore we have no idea how the daytime/nighttime numbers vary.

Looking at the numbers of people boarding Caltrain in both directions at both stations each morning and the number of cars leaving town on highway ramps each day as well as Alma/Central, ECR, Middlefield, Charleston, etc. We cannot ascertain whether there are more people leaving than arriving for work each day or what the daytime numbers of people in town may be.


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Posted by Allen Akin
a resident of Professorville
on Oct 22, 2019 at 10:35 pm

Allen Akin is a registered user.

In fact, we do know how many Palo Altans leave town each day for work. Census data shows that about 8% of all Palo Altans actually work in Palo Alto. (Expressed another way, about one-third of *employed* Palo Altans actually work in Palo Alto.) 92% of people who hold jobs in Palo Alto commute from other cities. This has remained relatively constant over a long period of time.

This data is available from the Census. A good introduction can be found here: Web Link


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Posted by Anon
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Oct 23, 2019 at 4:33 pm

Posted by Allen Akin, a resident of Professorville

>> This data is available from the Census. A good introduction can be found here: Web Link

Yes, I wish Michael Goldman would move from Sunnyvale to Palo Alto and run for City Council here. I appreciate his rational approach. He is actually able and willing to do simple arithmetic instead of just accepting at face value self-serving arguments from various sectors. His blogs are here: Web Link

As for the data from that particular blog post: we need similar summary for Stanford. We kind of need to consider Palo Alto and Stanford both separately and together because of the parts that are inside the city and those that are outside (but, people commute to via Palo Alto).


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Posted by The hidden data is most important
a resident of Adobe-Meadow
on Oct 24, 2019 at 6:22 am

We know how many who live in PA commute. How many people from RWC commute through PA to get to their jobs in SV, LA, MV?
How many started in San Jose and are working towards say, Burlingame?
How many will stop in PA for a meal or shop on the way home?

People have a had time seeing the whole picture. It's far more complicated that just worrying about who's coming into PA and leaving from there specifically; it's about all the others who are just passing though.


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Posted by Bill
a resident of Mountain View
on Oct 24, 2019 at 8:09 am

Lost in the sea of comments that it’s the “companies” who are at fault is the reality that PA steadfastly refuses to build housing. It permits offices but refuses to permit any responsible amount of housing.

This is a feature, not a bug, if you happen to hold PA real estate. Constrain supply in the face of rising demand and you rig the market to achieve ever-increasing prices, which is the root cause of housing crisis which is the root cause of the traffic crisis.

Commuters are victims of corruption, and there is a valid case that this is a social justice issue.

SB50 now! We should get it onto the 2020 statewide ballot, which will drive youth and Millennials turnout which will in turn get us more seats in Congress and the Legislature anyway, so what’s not to like, Palo Alto liberals?

SB50 now!


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Posted by Allen Akin
a resident of Professorville
on Oct 24, 2019 at 9:16 am

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@The hidden data is most important: We don't really know how much pass-through traffic there is, or exactly where it flows, so we can't say it's more important than the traffic that originates or terminates in Palo Alto. But it's certainly significant on highways and arterials.

The Manzanita group has done some early analysis using information from Streetlight Data, which has the ability to count pass-through traffic.

Lots of us who are interested in traffic issues are hoping the new Transportation Department will be able to make use of this kind of data once staff is in place.


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Posted by Anon
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Oct 24, 2019 at 11:58 am

Posted by Bill, a resident of Mountain View

>> Lost in the sea of comments that it’s the “companies” who are at fault is the reality that PA steadfastly refuses to build housing. It permits offices but refuses to permit any responsible amount of housing.

You are being misled on every issue. Take the Fry's site, for example. It was zoned for RM-30 long ago. The property owner, Sobrato, is not interested in building housing on that site "right now".

>> This is a feature, not a bug, if you happen to hold PA real estate. Constrain supply in the face of rising demand and you rig the market to achieve ever-increasing prices, which is the root cause of housing crisis which is the root cause of the traffic crisis.

Read this link about the "housing crisis": Web Link

>> Commuters are victims of corruption, and there is a valid case that this is a social justice issue.

"The companies" are indeed the root of the problem, although ego and self-interest are usually more the issue than "corruption" per se.


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Posted by Another Giveaway
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Oct 24, 2019 at 4:29 pm

Real-estate developers want to profit from building (office or residential) but do not want to contribute to increasing our transportation capacity because that would cut into profits.

Even if developers could be encouraged to profit from building residential instead of office there is no guarantee that the new residential would be occupied by workers who live in Palo Alto.

Bottom line... there is no way to build your way out of our transportation woes. More densely populated areas are always more contested than less densely populated areas.

Trying to build your way out of traffic congestion is a fool's errand that benefits real-estate developers, not commuters.


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