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Police: Man arrested after 29-hour standoff had illegal high-capacity magazine in his gun

Original post made on Aug 4, 2019

The man whose 29-hour standoff with the police transformed a quiet block of Charleston Meadows into a hive of police activity was armed with an unregistered handgun loaded with an illegal high-capacity magazine, police said Sunday.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Sunday, August 4, 2019, 11:48 AM

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24 people like this
Posted by resident
a resident of Midtown
on Aug 4, 2019 at 12:37 pm

There has been too much bad news this week about guns in America


44 people like this
Posted by Good Job
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Aug 4, 2019 at 1:39 pm

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PAPD: Good job exercising patience and finally arresting him without shooting him (with a lethal round).


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Posted by Tuasosopo
a resident of East Palo Alto
on Aug 4, 2019 at 2:26 pm

>> Smith is facing a felony vandalism charge for shooting the police robot.

^^^ What is the punishment for this type of crime?

I understand that police dogs have badges. Does this also apply to police robots?

A police robot is just a rolling radio-controlled tin-can with a TV camera although they are probably quite expensive to replace.

If it is repairable, does the DA reduce the charges?


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Aug 4, 2019 at 3:11 pm

This would not have happened if there was no gun. We need to prevent guns getting into the hands of anyone who does not need one and this guy did not need a gun. The cost to society from "legally" bought and held guns is much too high. From the cost of policing this incident to the cost in human lives that happened last week in Gilroy and twice this weekend in different states. The cost in human lives, in human suffering, in security, in policing the aftermath, in policing events like this in Palo Alto is much too high. One man and a gun, it is a terrible legacy. We are no longer the Wild West. Let's behave more civilized.


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Posted by BalancedCarefulConsideration
a resident of Charleston Meadows
on Aug 4, 2019 at 3:46 pm

I'm a resident of the neighborhood around Tennessee Lane. I have to admit, in general I haven't been a big fan of the police. I guess just an unfair bias. In this instance however, the members of the various forces protecting our neighborhood while trying to secure the surrender of the suspect were very approachable, willing to engage as necessary, and respectful. We thanked them for taking care of our neighborhood during this situation while they apologized us for disturbing our weekend. It speaks to their professionalism that the encounter ended after so many hours with no major injuries and zero deaths. Our neighborhood hopefully can come together to honor them in some way. After learning more about gun and magazine that were found, this could have ended much more tragically.


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Posted by PA homeowner
a resident of Adobe-Meadow
on Aug 4, 2019 at 8:29 pm

Thank you PAPD!


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Posted by mauricio
a resident of Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Aug 5, 2019 at 6:27 am

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The ridiculously easy access to guns is the greatest threat to the survival of this nation. Clearly the Framers didn't have this in mind.


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Posted by Ron
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Aug 5, 2019 at 6:43 am

Over 400,000 illegal firearms come into the US each year. We can’t stop drugs coming in, so how do we stop the guns? If a person wants a gun, they will get it. This is reality.


17 people like this
Posted by resident
a resident of Midtown
on Aug 5, 2019 at 7:55 am

Illegal guns are much easier to import from Nevada than from foreign countries


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Aug 5, 2019 at 8:33 am

It seems to me that most guns used in mass shootings are legally purchased.

Something wrong with this picture. So sad.


11 people like this
Posted by Ron
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Aug 5, 2019 at 9:40 am

He had a high capacity clip. Those are illegal in California. If you want it, you can get it. This is reality in a nation that puts their firearms before their children.


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Posted by melting snow, falling flakes
a resident of Green Acres
on Aug 5, 2019 at 9:45 am

Israel has a gun culture. Follow the Israeli example for gun laws.

Make a single exception to the Israeli laws - if you are a member of a well-regulated militia, you may have all the single shot muskets you want.

Let the gun nuts go to their musket shows, share their emotional dependence with other gun nuts, and find their joy. Just keep the AC on high, though. I hear snow flakes melt easily.

Thank you, PAPD.


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Posted by Mary Ruth Leen
a resident of Midtown
on Aug 5, 2019 at 11:10 am

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Thank you to all the people who worked so hard to protect his neighborhood. Great job!


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Posted by Safety First.
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Aug 5, 2019 at 11:16 am

What a blessing no one was hurt. Thank you, PAPD for your careful de-escalation of the situation, for getting the victims safely out of harms way, for communicating to neighbors about what was happening so everyone could be safe.

I'm very glad no officers were harmed. There are so many ways this could have taken tragic turns.

This young man clearly is mentally unstable and a danger to people around him. How do we control this kind of danger in a nation where anyone has easy access to automatic war weapons? Why is this equipment available for sale to the general public?

I'm no snowflake, but this is foolhardy policy if we want to maintain a safe and stable society.


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Posted by melting snow, falling flakes
a resident of Green Acres
on Aug 5, 2019 at 11:24 am

"How do we control this kind of danger in a nation where anyone has easy access to automatic war weapons?"

- Remove the guns.
- Address mental health services (requires investment, which will be blocked by republicans)


"Why is this equipment available for sale to the general public?"

Because the republican party allows it by blocking any sensible safety legislation. They do it, while lying to their base - trying to scare and inflame them, to retain power.

"Party before principle" - today's GOP


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Posted by PA Police handled this brilliantly
a resident of another community
on Aug 5, 2019 at 11:24 am

Kudos to the Police... "Smith did not comply with arrest commands and they fired a "less-lethal projectile" at him, hitting him in the stomach."

Why don't ALL police departments employ this tactic? Too many stories of a person with a kitchen knife or similar getting show dead because he does not comply with verbal commands. Using brute force seems to be M.O of many police officers.


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Posted by Resident of the area
a resident of Charleston Meadows
on Aug 5, 2019 at 11:38 am

All the violence you hear about happening around the world, in another state, or at least in another city, has finally happened "In my backyard." Not literally "MY" backyard, but definitely too close for comfort, as our home is located just a few houses away and in the area that the police blocked off to any thru traffic.

It was a scene right out of the movies. Everyone was here - police, fire dept, ambulances, Crisis Negotiation Team, SWAT and Bomb Squad. This guy turned our neighborhood upside down for those 29 long hours.

So thankful for the tireless support from all of these departments from Palo Alto, and our neighbors in MV & LA.


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Posted by resident
a resident of Midtown
on Aug 5, 2019 at 12:09 pm

@PA Police handled this brilliantly - I've read news reports about people with cell phones or purses in their hands being shot and killed by police. I agree that police need to be trained to use "less-lethal" weapons as their first option.


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Posted by Gale Johnson
a resident of Adobe-Meadow
on Aug 5, 2019 at 12:47 pm

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@mauricio, Of course you're right because that was written into the Constitution a long time ago so that people in our newly formed nation could have those bayoneted muzzle loading (cap/black powder/ball) muskets available in their homes in case some goofy delusional President decided to become the second coming of King George. Another home grown militia could be formed and Revolutionary War II would begin, with hopefully the same results. Repeating rifles and six shooter pistols hadn't been invented yet and these new military style assault weapons were two centuries away from being invented.

I had the opportunity to shoot one of those wild west single shot rifles (black gunpowder, cap and ball) at a Rendezvous in Red Lodge, Montana, years ago. An instructor gave me instructions on how to do it and demonstrated it before he turned the gun over to me. Then I had my chance at the target which was a cardboard bison 70-90 yards away on a hill. I got five shots at it as I remember. I stirred up a lot of dust behind and around the target. The bison survived and stuck his tongue out at me as he calmly walked away.


Posted by Novelera
a resident of Midtown

on Aug 5, 2019 at 4:23 pm

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Posted by police using force
a resident of Charleston Meadows
on Aug 6, 2019 at 12:37 am

The kind coments are nice, but I'm really disturbed by the fact that people are superimposing this incident over other potential uses of force. Yes, when police have a subject under observation for hours, they can plan plans with contingencies and contingencies for those contingencies. They can surround, call out, take cover, communicate and plan. The cop who stops a criminal who curses him, steps out of his car and quickly takes a shooting stance with a black object does not have the time to determine if its a gun or a cell phone (think nobody would be crazy enough to do this?), nor shold they bet their life on it. Nor should kind people like yourselves expect them to. Less lethal is great when the suspect (he wisely left his gun inside) is unarmed, until they try to take the cop's gun. It's suicide to use against an armed individual as it works maybe 40% of the time. The other 60%... hope you kissed your children that morning, cause you won't be seeing them again.


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Posted by eileen
a resident of College Terrace
on Aug 6, 2019 at 9:19 am

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The most disturbing thing about this whole incident is the fact that this man had an unregistered handgun loaded with an illegal high-capacity magazine! No one on this thread seems alarmed by this fact. WTF, is this person doing with a military style weapon in our city?? What are the police saying about that??


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Posted by julie armitano
a resident of another community
on Aug 6, 2019 at 11:01 am

There are bad news about guns this week.



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Posted by ReallyLiveHere
a resident of Fairmeadow
on Aug 6, 2019 at 12:57 pm

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The reality is that they've been selling legal magazines to people with a rivet that people drill out to turn a "10-round with rivet" magazine into a 30-round magazine. This makes it VERY easy to acquire an illegal high-capacity magazine in California.


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Posted by melting snow, falling flakes
a resident of Green Acres
on Aug 6, 2019 at 2:53 pm

> There are bad news about guns this week.

Is there ever good news? How long do we have to wait for the mythical 'good guy' with a gun?


- 257 mass shootings in the 25 'developed' countries this year.

- 250 were in the good ol' USA.

Of the 25 countries, guess which one has 300 million guns floating around?


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Posted by mauricio
a resident of Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Aug 7, 2019 at 11:26 am

mauricio is a registered user.

A recent FBI report reveals that counties that hosted Trump rallies experienced an average increase of 226 percent in hate crimes, and many, probably all of the hate crime perpetrators have possession guns, many of which are guns with high capacity magazines. Since hate crimes and mass shooting are becoming more and more frequent, and high capacity battlefield guns are in such abundance, this is much more than a bad crisis, this is an existential crisis.


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Posted by melting snow, falling flakes
a resident of Green Acres
on Aug 7, 2019 at 11:32 am

"Hate crimes increased 226% in places Trump held a campaign rally in 2016"

Web Link

Wow. Thanks, mauricio for the data find.


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Posted by Anonymous
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Aug 7, 2019 at 1:30 pm

Improving mental health and removing guns from those with mental health issues (determined how and by whom....?) is all well and good as a general goal.
Now: immediate ban on assault and semi-assault style weapons and (high capacity clips/ammo holders, whatever other ammunition term) for civilians is needed for an immediate difference in preventing high-damage, high death, high injury criminal events.
Let’s focus on short, medium and long term goals.
Let’s publicize who makes guns, esp. damaging, unneeded ones like ak-47. I read recently major investors like BlackRock investments are or were invested in guns.
Let’s figure out how to drastically reduce guns illegally imported/brought into the U.S.
Let’s figure out how to stop and penalize well-known damaging practices like straw gun purchases where WAGs of criminals in Chicago (where guns are banned!) merely drive over to Indiana, buy guns, deliver them to their felon boyfriends back in Chicago. Gang gun violence in Chicago is astoundingly horrific. Otherwise, the city is quite nice.


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Posted by zap
a resident of another community
on Aug 7, 2019 at 7:23 pm

Nevermind that the murder rate is down


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