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After confusion over Adult School compensation, teachers poised to get 16% raise

Original post made on Jun 17, 2019

The school board will vote Tuesday on a 16% raise for Palo Alto Adult School teachers who, despite the fact that they are formally represented by the teachers union, have not received the same negotiated salary increases.

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Posted by Marc
a resident of Midtown
on Jun 17, 2019 at 12:35 pm

Really?

Once again it sounds like our school management is not clear on what they are managing. Is this the same leadership team that triggered the raises because they didn't pay attention to the contracts?

At what point to we declare the management team incompetent, take back their raises and get rid of them?

/marc


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Adobe-Meadow
on Jun 17, 2019 at 1:06 pm

"At what point to we declare the management team incompetent"

That happened starting two years ago. The current senior team, almost all new in the last 2 years, is cleaning up the sloppy mess left by the previous teams. This sounds like part of the clean-up. Don't shoot the messenger - it sounds like it has been screwed up for a long time and is now being fixed.


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Posted by Novelera
a resident of Midtown
on Jun 17, 2019 at 2:46 pm

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As a regular student at Paly for the Adult School classes, I am pleased to learn of this increase. The language classes are fabulous!


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Posted by Jim H
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Jun 17, 2019 at 10:31 pm

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I find it very hard to believe that the PAEA President, Teri Baldwin, was unaware of the status of Adult School Teachers.

And, how can so many people have no idea how to handle raises for these teachers?

$46/hr for a full-time job would be equivilent to earning $92,000/yr. I would call that pretty good money for a side hustle. Also, I do not believe that Adult School Teachers need to hold a teaching certificate. Could be wrong.


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Posted by Cover-up Culture
a resident of Community Center
on Jun 17, 2019 at 11:05 pm

Wow, congratulations to all on figuring out who is and isn't represented by whom! From this example I have so much confidence in all of you in educating our children.

Glad the teacher's union found some more folks to dun dues from - I was so worried their tight, tight tyrannical grip over the district might begin to falter...:-(

So Pausd adult ed part time teachers make $92k now thanks to the teachers union. Full time Pausd teachers must make more then, actually they make more/day than the average tech worker in the bay area, w better benefits! Still see the need to cede public land and spend lots of dough at the teacher's union's behest to house non low income Pausd teachers at cubberley? I don't think so.


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Posted by Teacher
a resident of Mountain View
on Jun 18, 2019 at 10:35 am

I'm assuming the people posting here claiming how much money adult school teachers make have never worked as either an adult school or community college teacher.

1. Yes, adult schools which are part of K-12 districts require teachers to have a credential. You may be confusing this with teaching something like ESL in a library or a nonprofit which doesn't require a credential.

2. Most adult schools aren't able to offer the majority of their teachers more than a few morning and evening assignments which may come out to anywhere between 3-12 hours per week at one school. To earn close to a full time salary, teachers need to work at multiple schools where they often have a day where they work from 9-12pm, then 1-3pm, then 7-9pm at different sites. Keep in mind, you are only getting paid when classes are in session so you aren't getting paid in between sessions, during holidays, and if summer classes aren't offered. In addition to the classroom time which they are only paid for, it doesn't include lesson planning, curriculum development, grading, and responding to students. I was doing that at one point working at both adult schools and community colleges, and had a similar schedule five days a week at five different schools to piece together enough work and was spending most of my weekends lesson planning and grading, essentially working about 80 hours per week for about 70k a year without benefits due to being part time. I think usually at this point, there's the argument that some people make that's something along the lines of "well you chose to do this work" which is not particularly helpful and extremely dismissive of the value of education.

3. Community Colleges in the area pay their teachers $70-100 an hour but I would challenge you to find any adjunct college instructor or adult ed teacher getting paid 92k. You can look on transparentcalifornia.com to verify. If being a part time teacher paid so much, there wouldn't be so many adjunct instructors in the area fighting tooth and nail for full time positions at community colleges that start at around 70k.

4. I do agree that teaching at an adult school or community college would be a good side job; however, you still need to keep in mind that you need a credential to teach in adult ed and at least a masters in the subject area that you want to teach in for community college. A lot of people have the impression that doing something like teaching ESL at an adult school is just playing English games and having conversations with students. That may have been the case 30 years ago, but the adult schools are being held to the same instructional and content standards as the community colleges.


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Posted by Jim H
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Jun 18, 2019 at 11:23 am

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@Teacher,
So, even the teachers teaching the classes such as Birding and Nature, Gardening and Sewing all have CA teaching credentials?

Bigger concern, especially for the teachers, is the fact that no one seems to know how they should be recognized. If all of these teachers are credentialed, then why has PAEA essentially disowned them?


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Posted by Teacher
a resident of Mountain View
on Jun 18, 2019 at 11:57 am

@Jim H

Teachers who teach in the community fee based programs (the ones you mentioned) often don't need to be credentialed because their money isn't coming from federal/state grants. They're coming from the fees that students pay. I'm not sure about Palo Alto Adult School, but other schools I've been at put fee based teachers on separate salary schedules because they aren't counted as certificated. Their pay is usually lower.

That's not uncommon for adult education. Adult schools and their teachers are usually the last thing on the districts' minds as they have completely separate funding streams (all that property tax money wealthy districts get usually doesn't go to the adult schools) and less pressure from the community (ie parents). Also because of the nature of adult ed being primarily part time and temporary work assignments, the job descriptions don't align with the existing K12 teacher contracts.


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