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Rain returning to the Bay Area on Thursday, with greater intensity on Friday

Original post made on Apr 4, 2019

Rain will be light on Thursday but will become more widespread on Friday in the Bay Area, producing locally moderate rainfall, according to the National Weather Service.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Thursday, April 4, 2019, 8:52 AM

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25 people like this
Posted by Rain Man Musings
a resident of Evergreen Park
on Apr 4, 2019 at 2:54 pm

I'm confused...is this mild storm merely an example of 'April showers bring May flowers' or a further indicator of global warming?

A meteorologist friend told me that there is a 'fuzzy' correlation between global warming & geographic monsoon seasons but since heavy monsoons occur primarily in India, SE Asia & China, it is of minimal concern to us as it is not our problem.

We do get some minor summer monsoons in the American Southwest and they make for some neat photographs...with purple night time skies & lightning.




44 people like this
Posted by weather changes
a resident of The Greenhouse
on Apr 4, 2019 at 3:04 pm

Climate is not weather.

For more information, see the FOURTH NATIONAL CLIMATE ASSESSMENT.
______

CHAPTER 1

Earth’s climate is now changing faster than at any point in the history of modern civilization, primarily as a result of human activities.
The impacts of global climate change are already being felt in the United States and are projected to intensify in the future—but the severity of future impacts will depend largely on actions taken to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and to adapt to the changes that will occur.

Google: "FOURTH NATIONAL CLIMATE ASSESSMENT" for links and much, much, more.


Members:

Department of the Interior

Department of Energy

U.S. Global Change Research Program

Department of Health and Human Services

U.S. Agency for International Development

Smithsonian Institution

Department of Commerce

Department of Defense

Department of Agriculture

National Aeronautics and Space Administration

Department of Energy

Department of Transportation

Environmental Protection Agency

Department of the Interior

Department of State

National Science Foundation

National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration

U.S. Geological Survey




Texas Tech University
University of Washington
Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory
University of Illinois
Rutgers University
North Carolina State University
Texas A&M University
Columbia University
University of California, Irvine
University of Massachusetts
California Department of Water Resources
... and many, many more.


12 people like this
Posted by Rain Man Musings
a resident of Evergreen Park
on Apr 4, 2019 at 3:32 pm

> Climate is not weather.

OK. I was a bit confused because some people are blaming global warming for changes in weather patterns.

Reassuring to learn that this is merely a climate issue & not a meteorological one.

Wondering why so such misinformation (examples below) is being spread...

Web Link

Web Link


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Posted by Rain Man Musings
a resident of Evergreen Park
on Apr 4, 2019 at 3:34 pm

TYPO > Wondering why so [much] misinformation (examples below) is being spread...

Climate & weather are two different things!


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Posted by weather changes
a resident of The Greenhouse
on Apr 4, 2019 at 4:08 pm

Nice re-framing -- well played.

Obviously, when climate changes, so does weather on a large scale. That said, a specific weather event can not be calibrated as to how much it was effected by climate change. You know this, you've read it before, based on your links. So, we understand why you are re-framing.

Rather than work so hard to cherry-pick some press, why not listen to what these fine folks are sharing with you? Are you somehow wiser than all of them, because you find a press report somewhere?


Department of the Interior
Department of Energy
U.S. Global Change Research Program
Department of Health and Human Services
U.S. Agency for International Development
Smithsonian Institution
Department of Commerce
Department of Defense
Department of Agriculture
National Aeronautics and Space Administration
Department of Energy
Department of Transportation
Environmental Protection Agency
Department of the Interior
Department of State
National Science Foundation
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
U.S. Geological Survey

Texas Tech University
University of Washington
Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory
University of Illinois
Rutgers University
North Carolina State University
Texas A&M University
Columbia University
University of California, Irvine
University of Massachusetts
California Department of Water Resources



23 people like this
Posted by Weather + Climate = No Big Deal
a resident of Portola Valley
on Apr 4, 2019 at 6:13 pm

Weather is cyclical as is rainfall.

Climate is associated with certain geographic regions.

Global warming may or may not have an impact.

What goes on in other areas of the world (depending on their equatorial position) weather OR climate-wise, is of no major concern to us unless one happens to have relatives living there.

Monsoon season in SE Asia is normal...whether it is 6-8 inches more (or less) is to be expected as rainfall is cyclical.

To blame global warming for everything is short-sighted at best.

When the polar ice caps receded millions of year ago and created more land mass, the early mammals of the time were not driving cars or operating factories.

It's simply Mother Earth's way of saying 'a change is gonna come' & we have no control over it. The same goes for if a supernova explodes or a super-sized asteroid collides with the earth.

Why lose sleep over nothingness?

Besides, what happens to the earth 500-1 million years from now is the least of my concerns. last time I checked, I will more than likely be deceased.




72 people like this
Posted by DTN Paul
a resident of Downtown North
on Apr 4, 2019 at 9:14 pm

DTN Paul is a registered user.

It sad how climate change deniers are always so proud to put their heads in the sand.


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Posted by @DTN Paul
a resident of Mountain View
on Apr 4, 2019 at 9:38 pm

Would you expect anything else? The deniers clearly don't care what kind of world their children and grandchildren will have to deal with.

Selfishness in its purest form, really.


9 people like this
Posted by Weather + Climate = No Big Deal
a resident of Portola Valley
on Apr 4, 2019 at 9:59 pm

> It sad how climate change deniers are always so proud to put their heads in the sand.

There are seemingly three factions in regards to the topic of climate change...

(1) the 'deniers' of climate change

(2) the 'alarmists' of climate change

(3) those who acknowledge climate change to some degree (no pun intended) but
at the same time, aren't losing any sleep over it

I suspect that the majority of individuals fall into category (3).

(1) are perhaps the ostriches with their heads in the sand (but who's to say)?

(2) are the Chicken Littles expounding their doomsday prophesies (but again,
who's to say)?

(3) are the individuals who tend to take things in stride knowing that no one or
any species for that matter, will exist forever so why stress over what may
happen 200-10,000+ years from now?

For all we know, an entirely new life form may inhabit the Earth later down the road...one that has successfully adapted to the ongoing effects of global warming & pollution. Though difficult for some to accept, human life is just a blip on the venerable timeline of Earthly existence. Countless other life forms have come & gone since the beginning of time.

Besides, mankind is in a state of de-evolution anyway. No big loss.





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Posted by @Portola Valley
a resident of Mountain View
on Apr 4, 2019 at 10:11 pm

A selfish denier -- from Portola Valley, no less.

Who would have guessed it?


22 people like this
Posted by DTN Paul
a resident of Downtown North
on Apr 4, 2019 at 10:29 pm

DTN Paul is a registered user.

"(3) are the individuals who tend to take things in stride knowing that no one or
any species for that matter, will exist forever so why stress over what may
happen 200-10,000+ years from now?"

Except that the changes are happening now, and unfortunately affect the people on this planet who are (1) least responsible for the changes, and (2) least equipped to handle them - the poorest people in the poorest countries in the world - where flooding, famines, wars over scarce resources and all manner of other ills will become even more common. But, you know, as long as you're not too inconvenienced in Portola Valley, or Evergreen Park, or wherever it is most convenient to bury your head.


10 people like this
Posted by Weather + Climate = No Big Deal
a resident of Portola Valley
on Apr 4, 2019 at 10:38 pm

> A selfish denier -- from Portola Valley, no less.

You are lumping (1) & (3) together as 'denier' which is inaccurate assumption.

I am a (3) which is more along the lines of ambivalent. Afterall, how can one deny anything and/or everything as the two are intertwined regardless of topic.

A true denier would be akin to the Gospel Thomas (the Doubter). In other words, "I'll believe it when I see it."

Well global warming (aka climate change) is occuring...but calling it apocalyptic is a bit extreme & as aforementioned, do we really care what happens thousands of years down the road?

Let us know when you get get back from your journey into the future.

BTW and not that it matters...I reside in the poorer section of PV (aka a Ladera Eichler). No vast acreage with horses...just a couple of skunks & a racoon that pass through from time to time.


9 people like this
Posted by Weather + Climate = No Big Deal
a resident of Portola Valley
on Apr 4, 2019 at 11:07 pm

> Except that the changes are happening now, and unfortunately affect the people on this planet who are (1) least responsible for the changes, and (2) least equipped to handle them - the poorest people in the poorest countries in the world - where flooding, famines, wars over scarce resources and all manner of other ills will become even more common.

Comprende. But historically as well as geographically, these global ills have been going on long before climate change & they are usually situated in 3rd world countries where the weather is already a bit on the warm side.

If you've ever driven through an inner-city ghetto or been to Texas, wars over scarce resources & flooding can occur even in the United States.

As for alleviating famine in underdeveloped countries, it is often the warlords who confiscate international food provisions & turn them into black market commodities.

Unstable despotic governments & fundamentalist theocracies are probably more destructive to mankind than global warming as a whole.

On the other hand, I agree that there should be more pro-environmental mandates to ensure a healthier planet...not so much for the future but for right now.




22 people like this
Posted by DTN Paul
a resident of Downtown North
on Apr 4, 2019 at 11:38 pm

DTN Paul is a registered user.

"Comprende. But historically as well as geographically, these global ills have been going on long before climate change & they are usually situated in 3rd world countries where the weather is already a bit on the warm side."

This argument is the moral equivalent of taking money from a person who just got robbed. "What difference does it make, they were already in bad shape." It's all the worse because they are already deeply in need. And arguing that there is poverty and crime in the US doesn't really prove anything. We have the same equivalency here in the US. Take, for instance, the flooding in the midwest. The more affluent will recover, because they have insurance, resources, means. The poorest will not, and the divide will be widened.


40 people like this
Posted by @Portola Valley
a resident of Mountain View
on Apr 5, 2019 at 12:25 am

"BTW and not that it matters...I reside in the poorer section of PV (aka a Ladera Eichler)."

*Poorer* section of PV? What a laugh. [Portion removed.]


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Posted by musical
a resident of Palo Verde
on Apr 5, 2019 at 2:59 am

Hope it's not earthquake weather.


17 people like this
Posted by weather changes
a resident of The Greenhouse
on Apr 5, 2019 at 7:01 am

> What goes on in other areas of the world (depending on their equatorial position) weather OR climate-wise, is of no major concern to us unless one happens to have relatives living there.

Selfish, or short-sighted?

Both.

Here's a list of organizations that disagree with the poster wearing blinders:

Department of Defense, Department of State, U.S. Global Change Research Program, Department of Commerce

and...

Department of the Interior
Department of Energy
Department of Health and Human Services
U.S. Agency for International Development
Smithsonian Institution
Department of Agriculture
National Aeronautics and Space Administration
Department of Energy
Department of Transportation
Environmental Protection Agency
Department of the Interior
National Science Foundation
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
U.S. Geological Survey

Texas Tech University
University of Washington
Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory
University of Illinois
Rutgers University
North Carolina State University
Texas A&M University
Columbia University
University of California, Irvine
University of Massachusetts
California Department of Water Resources

Too bad are friend is so afraid of reading the FOURTH NATIONAL CLIMATE ASSESSMENT.

Google it.


8 people like this
Posted by Global Warming Is Real
a resident of Barron Park
on Apr 5, 2019 at 1:42 pm

And all violators in America should be punished to some extent.

Deniers should be forced by law to attend Global Warming enlightenment classes.

An additional DMV users fee should be attached all vehicle registrants who do not drive hybrid or electric cars.

Factories should also be severely penalized for failure to meet strict admission standards and all agriculture should be GMO, pesticide & fertilizer free.

The only problem is that if the US adheres to stricter environmental standards, other countries (i.e. China) will continue to violate these guidelines on a far larger scale.

We must police the entire world to curtail global climate change & this will not be easy.


5 people like this
Posted by Global warming OK In Moderation
a resident of another community
on Apr 5, 2019 at 7:53 pm

I like warm weather in general so global warming in moderation doesn't bother me all that much.

Our friends in South Dakota said that there was no noticeable signs of climate change in their state during the winter months...still very cold.


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Posted by Fair weather fanatics
a resident of Downtown North
on Apr 5, 2019 at 10:27 pm

"Our friends in South Dakota said that there was no noticeable signs....."

Hahaha that's great! 3rd party anecdotal tales from lay folk. When ya gonna post that warm water clipping from the 20's?

I like the data from those scientists.


Department of the Interior
Department of Energy
U.S. Global Change Research Program
Department of Health and Human Services
U.S. Agency for International Development
Smithsonian Institution
Department of Commerce
Department of Defense
Department of Agriculture
National Aeronautics and Space Administration
Department of Energy
Department of Transportation
Environmental Protection Agency
Department of the Interior
Department of State
National Science Foundation
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
U.S. Geological Survey

Texas Tech University
University of Washington
Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory
University of Illinois
Rutgers University
North Carolina State University
Texas A&M University
Columbia University
University of California, Irvine
University of Massachusetts
California Department of Water Resources


But you like the mythical folk from South Dakota. Okay.



2 people like this
Posted by Extreme Thought Processes Are Fanatical At Best
a resident of Greenmeadow
on Apr 6, 2019 at 12:29 pm

@Global Warming Is Real

Another example of extreme measures to circumvent a minor issue.


2 people like this
Posted by The Truth Behind Global Warming
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Apr 6, 2019 at 6:56 pm

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Posted by Fair weather fanatics
a resident of Downtown North
on Apr 6, 2019 at 8:19 pm

"The primary cause of global warming is human overpopulation and flatulence."

Wrong.

Go read the 4th assessment.


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Posted by musical
a resident of Palo Verde
on Apr 6, 2019 at 9:51 pm

Just coincidence we hear more about climate change since seeing world population triple.


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Posted by Fair weather fanatics
a resident of Downtown North
on Apr 7, 2019 at 6:19 am


FOURTH NATIONAL CLIMATE ASSESSMENT.

Cause:
"Since the late 19th century, however, humans have released an increasing amount of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere through burning fossil fuels and, to a lesser extent, deforestation and land-use change."

It's oil and coal.

Why are deniers so afraid of reading the assessment supported by our military, for example?

Move to renewable, then the rest is manageable (methane, etc..)


2 people like this
Posted by Isotope
a resident of Crescent Park
on Apr 7, 2019 at 7:44 am

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Posted by Fair weather fanatics
a resident of Downtown North
on Apr 7, 2019 at 7:58 am

"Ironic being that steel production & oil usage is critical to the military effort."

"ironic" until you actually read it. The DOD has been all over this for a couple decades. They're not wearing tinfoil hats.

Sad. Low energy.


2 people like this
Posted by Isotope
a resident of Crescent Park
on Apr 7, 2019 at 8:16 am

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Posted by Fair weather fanatics
a resident of Downtown North
on Apr 7, 2019 at 9:20 am

That the best ya got?

Read the report.


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Posted by Isotope
a resident of Crescent Park
on Apr 7, 2019 at 9:28 am

[Post removed due to same poster using multiple names]


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Posted by Rain Man Musings
a resident of Evergreen Park
on Apr 7, 2019 at 3:25 pm

Interesting how climate change debate is about as incendiary as MAGA cap sightings.

Perhaps best to simply look the other way & get on with our individual lives as there will always be fanatics on any side of a spectrum.

The middle road is oftentimes the wisest route.


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Posted by musical
a resident of Palo Verde
on Apr 7, 2019 at 6:09 pm

^ Imagine MAGA cap sightings as common as gasoline SUVs around here.


2 people like this
Posted by weather changes
a resident of The Greenhouse
on Apr 8, 2019 at 8:59 am

So we're done with the dishonest denier arguments (cherry-picked date, creating anecdotal stories from South Dakota, etc..) and multiple name postings, and they've just given up.

It's come down to: climate change is somehow involved with their silly red hats.

Really? aren't you embarrassed?



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Posted by weather changes
a resident of The Greenhouse
on Apr 8, 2019 at 9:03 am

> The middle road is oftentimes the wisest route.

97% of the science community has told you that fighting climate change IS wisest route.

Web Link

FOURTH NATIONAL CLIMATE ASSESSMENT
Volume II: Impacts, Risks, and Adaptation in the United States
The National Climate Assessment (NCA) assesses the science of climate change and variability and its impacts across the United States, now and throughout this century.

SUMMARY FINDINGS
REPORT CHAPTERS
OVERVIEW
DOWNLOADS
Volume I presents an assessment of the physical science underlying this report: science2017.globalchange.gov


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Posted by Global warming OK In Moderation
a resident of another community
on Apr 8, 2019 at 9:39 am

You are going to have an extremely difficult time policing the entire world in regards to curtailing global warming factors.

How to you intend to accomplish this?

You are also going to have an extremely difficult time convincing the entire world that global warming (aka climate change) is going to have devastating effects on our lives for generations to come..

How to you intend to accomplish this?

To date, the doomsday prophets warn of climate change. Meanwhile the 'deniers' question its direct correlation to catastrophic environmental impacts.

Is this like the characterature of the old bearded man walking around with a sign saying the world is going to end? The problem is that he rarely if ever offers an exact date.

Usually what happens is that another day arises & life goes on as usual.


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Community Center
on Apr 8, 2019 at 10:02 am

@Global Warming is OK
Sort of good news. The nations of the world have already done what was a very difficult task of agreeing on the problem and a set of measures to address it. The agreement was called the Paris Climate Accord. Heard of it? It is worth reading since it was the most significant international environmental agreement in human history, to date.
The problem is that the scientific consensus is that these measures, even if achieved, will fall far short of keeping global warming in the “moderate” range you are ok with. On top of that, Trump has rejected our participation in the agreement which has undermined the international consensus.


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Posted by A Losing Battle Regardless of Position
a resident of Adobe-Meadow
on Apr 8, 2019 at 12:36 pm

> The problem is that the scientific consensus is that these measures, even if achieved, will fall far short of keeping global warming in the “moderate” range you are ok with.

China's steel production & related coal usage accounts for 40% of the harmful emissions related to global warming.

Though China also signed the accord, the global market for cost-effective steel from China is immense & growing. It is also a major source of international sales revenue for China.

As a result, very little will be accomplished by this international agreement. While some countries will reduce their use of coal for steel production, they will still have to buy steel from somewhere else where it is manufactured in massive quantities & cost-effectively.

The %s of pollution output per country has merely shifted. This is not a real solution.

Perhaps it's time to go back to concrete & bricks for the construction of newer buildings & bridges...maybe even plastic or possibly wood.

Or consider using reed materials for housing & trans-bay travel.

Horses can replace automobiles except for those driving Teslas, Priuses & Volts et al.

Since global warming was at its minimal during the 18th & 19th centuries by comparison, we must consider going to to the practices of those days.

The Industrial Revolution is to blame for all of this...time to go back to craft industries that do not require the use of electricity, natural gas, nuclear energy, steam power and whatnot.

Human overpopulation also creates further necessities that can tax the environment. A moratorium on childbirth and/or permits should be required to procreate. Sex is probably OK but the aftermath of countless unwanted or unexpected children can be devastating to both environmental & economic stability as a whole.

More people = more global warming. Fewer people = less global warming. Not rocket science.

3rd world & developing countries/individuals should be allowed to either perish or survive on their own as this is the basic evolution of any species. Extinction is a natural by-product of failure to adapt.

No more foreign aid to these countries either & preferred immigration into the United States should be based on the highest educational levels & economic self-sufficiency. The United States cannot continue to grow if it is perpetually burdened by welfare entitlement programs to non-citizens.

There are bigger problems than global warming & it starts with excessive people.






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Posted by weather changes
a resident of The Greenhouse
on Apr 8, 2019 at 2:11 pm

> More people = more global warming.

Nice to see you back, in that your previous 'more people' falsehood was removed.

Fair Weather already addressed it though:

-----

FOURTH NATIONAL CLIMATE ASSESSMENT

Cause:
"Since the late 19th century, however, humans have released an increasing amount of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere through burning fossil fuels and, to a lesser extent, deforestation and land-use change."

It's oil and coal.


9 people like this
Posted by Yabba Dabba Doo
a resident of another community
on Apr 8, 2019 at 3:38 pm

> It's oil and coal.

That was the dinosaur's gift to us...fossil fuels.

Let's show some gratitude!

Of course, let's try & save some for ensuing generations.


6 people like this
Posted by Wilma!
a resident of Greenmeadow
on Apr 8, 2019 at 6:23 pm

@Yabba Dabba Doo

The Flintstones were seemingly aware of global warming or else they didn't
acknowledge the possibility.

In any event, the citizens of Bedrock were very environmental. The cars were self-propelled by foot power and prehistoric animals performed many of the standard household and industrial chores.

We can learn a lot from them rather than get bent over global warming.


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