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New citizens group to craft tax measure for transportation

Original post made on Oct 26, 2016

Palo Alto officials continued their drive toward a local transportation measure on Monday night when they agreed to form a stakeholder committee that will craft the measure.

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Posted by Who Pays?
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Oct 26, 2016 at 10:37 am

If the citizens group to craft the tax measure for transportation committee comes up with a tax measure that spreads the burden fairly between residents and businesses based on how much of the problem they caused, that's fine, but given Palo Alto's history of putting the burden of expanding business on the shoulders of residents, I'm wary.

Posted by Resident
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Oct 26, 2016 at 10:52 am

This sounds like moving in the right direction, but unless it involves our neighbors, particularly Menlo and more importantly Mountain View, then it is not going to get anywhere.

Unless we are specifically looking at something to ease school commutes (which is a good starting point) or looking at dedicated shuttles from parking lots at 280 and 101 directly into business districts, then what is the point?

Regular commuters are definitely those who will find transit useful and whether they are commuting to Foothill College, Google, Facebook, or East Palo Alto to downtown or Cal Ave, then I can't see how intown transportation will make a dent in the problem.

Posted by pacsailor
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Oct 26, 2016 at 10:53 am

So are we expected to pay for the county tax measure which may not get us anything and then pay for a local tax measure to fix our transportation problems. Great way to go Palo Alto.

Posted by Ann Kelly
a resident of Ventura
on Oct 26, 2016 at 11:06 am

It looks as though major demographics are being considered (shoppers, students, patients etc) but I hope there is someone on the committee who specifically has the interests of the growing number of senior citizens at heart.

Posted by 38 year resident
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Oct 26, 2016 at 11:23 am

This group "would also consider best practices for reducing traffic." I wonder if they'll consult with the "traffic experts" that screwed up North California Avenue and Middlefield Road by placing bollards and traffic cones up and down both streets resulting in backups nearly all day. Making a left turn from N. California onto Middlefield Road is difficult and dangerous to say the least and reducing Middlefield from two lanes to one has proven to be a nightmare.

And they want us to pay for the incompetence and poor judgement with a tax hike? Give me a break.

Posted by Annette
a resident of College Terrace
on Oct 26, 2016 at 11:27 am

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PACSAILOR raises a good point: is this tax measure to be pursued regardless of the outcome of Measure B? I thought that a major selling point of the 30 year tax hike proposed in B is that the funds raised would be used on projects that would provide needed relief throughout Santa Clara Valley. Are we to expect a tax in addition to that 30 year tax (assuming it passes)? Or is the Council going to wait two weeks to see what happens with B?

Posted by Gale Johnson
a resident of Adobe-Meadow
on Oct 26, 2016 at 12:13 pm

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Is the expectation that the committee will come up with a plan that includes specific ways to help mitigate the problem, costs associated with that, and a funding plan? That definitely sounds like a year's worth of work.

If I were on the committee I would ask my usual fact finding questions first, before launching off for solutions. Questions would include:

How many single occupancy drivers (vehicles) are we talking about?

Where are they coming from? North, south, east, west?

How far are they commuting?

What are the most congested traffic areas?

Local shuttles: What is the ridership level? It may be too low to warrant trying to expand it...maybe some tweaking of schedules and routing.

What is the preferred method of funding? And for what? What will we be paying for?

Is this a fallback position if TMA doesn't work out? What will this offer that they haven't already talked about? And again, who pays for it?

I think the main problem is caused by drivers outside of our community, not by local drivers. They're just the ones impacted by it.

More shuttle service: I like that idea of having parking lots in the I-280 and 101 interchanges.

Funding: First, the cost. It must be determined, or estimated, before any funding proposals are considered. Businesses are tired of getting hit by taxes, so that won't sit well with them. No, on sales taxes, a regressive tax on the poor. That's one of my main beefs with Measure B. The low wage earners that have to commute will have to pay the sales tax which also applies to gasoline that they rely on to get to PA to work for us. Plus the gas sales tax is a tax on taxes. Double taxed.

I don't argue with forming the committee. It's always good to hear inputs from many sources on how to solve problems in our community. I haven't kept score on the track record of those types of committees. I've heard of some successes. Hope this one will turn out that way.

Posted by Gale Johnson
a resident of Adobe-Meadow
on Oct 26, 2016 at 12:32 pm

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@ Annette

Good post. I forgot to bring up Measure B and it's possible (most probable) impact/conflict with our TMA and our new, to be formed committee, having different viewpoints and goals. Maybe we're paying too much money for our governments' (city and county) and local committees' great ideas. I hope there will be collaboration on the effort, and not just different groups spending money with no results.

Posted by Chris
a resident of University South
on Oct 26, 2016 at 1:40 pm

There is no overlap between Measure B and this.

B is to address county-wide issues. This I tax is to improve transportation within Palo Alto.

Posted by Annette
a resident of College Terrace
on Oct 26, 2016 at 3:00 pm

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Thank you, Chris. This is not meant as an observation, not a criticism: there have been numerous suggestions made in various forums and we have a TMA and staff dedicated to this issue. Seems to me expecting a report by June is reasonable. But if B passes I would question the appetite/support for an additional tax.

Posted by Annette
a resident of College Terrace
on Oct 26, 2016 at 5:36 pm

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Thank you, Chris. This is meant as an observation, not a criticism: there have been numerous suggestions made in various forums and we have a TMA and staff dedicated to this issue. Seems to me expecting a report by June is reasonable. But if B passes I would question the appetite/support for an additional tax.

Posted by Resident
a resident of Crescent Park
on Oct 27, 2016 at 5:53 am

Stop acting so naive. "We can make traffic go away.... just give us more money."

Extra taxes are never the solution to anything. Its just (instead of earning it).

Free market solutions, folks.

Posted by MB
a resident of Community Center
on Oct 27, 2016 at 3:21 pm

If Measure B passed, we're not going to see a dime of it. It's just like the two previous VTA taxes (2000 and 2008) that went to San Jose projects like BART. VTA conned our naive environmentalist council into supporting Measure B by promising money for Caltrain grade separations, but those funds will likely go to projects that are already "shovel ready" in Sunnyvale (Mary Ave.) and Mountain View (Rengstorff Ave.) It will take years for Palo Alto to decide how to grade separate the train crossings, and by then all the Measure B money will be gone. You're a fool to believe San Jose will share any of the Measure B loot with Palo Alto.

After the election, it will become clear that Measure B was a rip-off for Palo Alto. So it will be interesting to hear how the council, which supported Measure B, explains why people should approve the 2018 tax. I can hear the council's pitch now: "We got fooled in 2000, 2008 and 2016, but you can trust us this time."

Posted by MB
a resident of Community Center
on Oct 27, 2016 at 3:26 pm

Another thing that bugs me about Measure B is that it is being promoted by Carl Guardino, the guy who represents all of the big companies in the valley. Measure B is a sales tax, which hits the poor hard. I like the suggestion another newspaper in town made that we tax Guardino's members if we want money for transportation projects.

And how come the city council treats Guardino like he's royalty when he comes to town. They give this lobbyist an hour of their meeting time every time he wants to talk. Yet the guy on the street gets 3 minutes. Council needs to stop kissing Guardino's you-know-what.

Posted by mauricio
a resident of Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Oct 27, 2016 at 3:31 pm

There is one, and only one proven and very cheap method for reducing traffic, air/noise polution and congestion. It actually costs no money at all and requires no new taxes. Stop densifying this small town, stop building more offices, don't allow a company that is producing and selling its software to occupy downtown, a massive violation of zoning laws.

Posted by Scott L
a resident of another community
on Oct 28, 2016 at 1:12 pm

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This Transportation Plan is mainly for a business type tax. So it will be interesting to see how it unfolds over the next year. This type of tax will be much better than they hugely regressive VTA Sales Tax that hurts lower income folks the worst!

As MB stated, it's dubious at best if Palo Alto will get the money from Measure B.
Palo Alto has a backlog of ~$500 Million in infrastructure projects. I'm not sure what the additional costs are for ALL interchanges for grade separation for CalTrain, that I'm 99% sure are over on top of the $500 Million in infrastructure needs.

VTA/SVLG had this tax plan ready to go in 2014, but thought they would have a higher likelihood of winning in 2016. Measure B is a tax plan designed to WIN, by buying off locals with support of pot hole repairs, interchange expansions, auxiliary lanes, widened expressways and "lexus lanes" on Hwy 85, etc.

Palo Alto was promised around $80 Million. Will it come? Who knows!
San Jose has enough votes to make it almost happen on their own to reallocate all funds in any way they see fit!

Posted by Resident
a resident of South of Midtown
on Oct 29, 2016 at 11:54 am

We need Lexus lanes badly. They should have prioritized this with the funds they already received.

In 2014, they created TWO carpool lanes on 101 in Palo Alto/Mountain View, with the plan of turning them into Lexus lanes.

Don't you folks ever drive south of Embarcadero? Have you seen the ridiculous situation during rush our where 3 lanes aren't moving, with 2 HOV lanes flying past them at 70 mph? Many drivers in the HOV lane are violating it anyways. They left this project in a half-finished state but it is extremely dangerous on a daily basis.

At this point I don't care where the funding comes from but they HAVE to open up those 2 lanes to single commuters.

This random experiment with TWO carpool lanes is the most irresponsible thing they've ever done to the freeways.

Combined with the yearlong road work just north of this area, and we have a major bottleneck and increased accidents, all due to poor planning and lack of coordination. And they call it "your tax dollars at work".

Posted by maguro_01
a resident of Mountain View
on Oct 29, 2016 at 4:27 pm

There are news stories from time to time that mention VTA in the process of revising bus routes in the north of the county - eliminating most of them excepting Hotel 22 & 522. Have public and private, but free, buses and shuttles damaged VTA? Are people planning transit services coordinating with VTA in any way? For instance, are shuttles also planned as feeders for VTA including light rail?

Sorry if this has already been discussed at length......

Posted by Patrick Burt
a resident of Community Center
on Oct 29, 2016 at 9:29 pm

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I'd like to clarify a few of the concerns raised by some posters about Measure B.
Starting a year ago, a group of north and west county mayors banded together to advocate for projects that would benefit our cities from this measure. Among other projects, we were able to negotiate over $1 Billion toward Catrain improvements, including $700M for grade separations between Palo Alto and Sunnyvale. Four of those seven Caltrain grade crossings are in Palo Alto and the funding would represent the majority of the cost of those separations. The balance will need to come from federal, state, regional and local funding. Without Measure B it is difficult to see a path to their funding.
In addition, several critical safeguards were put into the measure to help assure that we will receive those funds. Any change to the funding plan will require a 2/3 majority of the VTA Board. There are also an oversight committee and and auditing requirement.
No measure like this is perfect, but this is the first county transportation tax that will disproportionately benefit the north county cities. Our community needs to support it.

Posted by Online Name
a resident of Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Oct 31, 2016 at 5:43 pm

How much did the Jordan bike mess and the giant bollards cost in city time and resident Frustration? And you want us to pay more for more of the same??

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