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Fire station prepares for Baylands migration

Original post made on Oct 18, 2016

After serving the neighborhoods around Rinconada Park for more than fifty years, Fire Station 3 is preparing for a brief migration, followed by a rebirth. The City Council agreed Monday night to build a temporary station in the Baylands, while the old station is getting replaced.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Tuesday, October 18, 2016, 1:20 AM

Comments (14)

Posted by The Aristocrat
a resident of Barron Park
on Oct 18, 2016 at 6:50 am

Chief Nickel's talk about response times ring hollow while his deputy chief of operations has a history of taking out a Palo Alto fire engine and crew on joy rides behind his back as a political stunt to promote her position as the head of her neighborhood association in Mountain View. Seconds do count in responding to fire and medical emergencies. How many lives were put into danger that day? What does it say of the deputy chief's judgement? The City has already hired an outside investigator and run up a huge bill as the union pushes back. Where's the talk about response times from the union as they do? Why are the taxpayers forced to foot the bill? The Fire Department doesn't want the public to know this goes on, so they are keeping a tight lid on it. There needs to be more accountability of the Fire Department and the operational status of it's emergency vehicles. How does an on-call engine with full crew go missing and unaccounted for? Aren't service and status logs kept? Who is accountable for this state of affairs? Of course the Fire Department only rolls out issues of response times when it threatens salaries and perks or to justify what they want in any argument. At any other time, the Fire Department has it's toys and does what it likes with them.

Posted by Gus L.
a resident of Barron Park
on Oct 18, 2016 at 8:55 am

Any Flood, Earthquake or disaster closing the overpass would prevent the Fire Dept. Emergency vehicles from leaving that side of 101.

Posted by Be Positive
a resident of Leland Manor/Garland Drive
on Oct 18, 2016 at 9:20 am

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Why does the City own the land at 1142-1146 Middlefield? And if we own that land, why haven't we built something on it like affordable housing?

Posted by TorreyaMan
a resident of Palo Verde
on Oct 18, 2016 at 10:57 am

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Really? We can't sacrifice a few tennis courts for a few months? There may be other considerations here, but that one is pure nonsense.

Posted by Supply & Demand
a resident of Green Acres
on Oct 18, 2016 at 11:18 am


Redo Station 5 next Please!

Posted by Fed Up
a resident of Mountain View
on Oct 18, 2016 at 4:54 pm

I echo the comments of @The Aristocrat.

How can Nickels talk of response times while his deputy chief commandeers a fire engine and drives it through her Mountain View neighborhood and jeopardizes the engine crew's response time? This is the same neighborhood where the deputy chief parks her fire department vehicle day and night on our private streets where parking is extremely scarce and while her driveway sits empty. When neighbors complained to the city all we heard was the sound of crickets with the chief saying he doesn't want to get involved in a neighborhood dispute. Wow. Great display of professional ethics What about common decency and the respect for private property? If a Mountain View fire vehicle was parked in front of the homes of private citizens in Palo Alto the citizenry would be out with pitch forks and torches. The chief's excuse does nothing more than justify an abuse of power and sense of entitlement.

Posted by Joyridingcostspaloalto
a resident of Green Acres
on Oct 18, 2016 at 5:19 pm

The fact the city has appointed a costly external investigator from a Sacramento law firm specializing in public employee abuses of power tells me that there is much more to the issue of his deputy chief's actions and performance in relation to endangering department response times and abuse of department personnel and equipment. It seems that where there is smoke, there is definitely a fire in this instance. How much is this investigation of a senior fire official costing taxpayers?

Posted by Mark
a resident of Midtown
on Oct 19, 2016 at 7:24 am

The fire union only cares about one thing-their salaries and overtime.

Posted by I Need To Know
a resident of Mountain View
on Oct 19, 2016 at 7:40 am

So some people are not happy about a Palo Alto fire truck being in Mt View at a political event. Tell me what's the difference between this and seeing a Palo Alto fire truck shopping in the cities of Mt View and Menlo Park?

Posted by musical
a resident of Palo Verde
on Oct 19, 2016 at 11:18 am

Chief Nickel certainly raised a chuckle from the audience with his statement about the two hardest things to do in the Fire Station business. Sums up many of the conundrums faced by our fair city.

Posted by The Aristocrat
a resident of Barron Park
on Oct 19, 2016 at 12:01 pm

@I Need to Know

The difference is that the visit is logged, authorized and necessary and serves the purpose of maintaining readiness and response times. There was no such political event either. It was an unauthorized stunt and abuse of authority and resources by a senior fire official showing poor judgement. Besides, the Mountain View Fire Department had jurisdiction, not Palo Alto. Make sense?

Fire department resources are supposed to be dedicated to saving lives and not advancing personal agendas or favors. While I understand your confusion and false equivalency knowing little about it, the incidents were deemed serious enough to open an investigation costing the city tens of thousand of dollars. That's the hardly purpose or the price tag shopping trip by a fire crew to Safeway.


Chief Nickel is compensated very well to make tough decisions. However, if the specter of delayed response times are what are always trotted out to bring more money or equipment in to the Fire Department or for the Union to get their way, then why all of a sudden is an increase in response times acceptable by temporarily moving the engine to the other side of the 101? [Portion removed.]

Posted by Give up
a resident of Mountain View
on Oct 19, 2016 at 10:03 pm

It is amazing how less than a handful of people can vent in so many forums and bad mouth some of the nicest people you will ever meet - guys get a life be nice and the world will be a much better place for everyone. Dear Fed up and gang most of MV and Los Altos already know who you are - leave Palo Alto alone :) Palo Alto folks a HOA board was recalled by an overwhelming majority - the members of that board continue to harass members of the community in as many ways they can find - there is no fire! Our Firefighters have lost their lives protecting us - let's support them and stop this pettiness.

Posted by Seriously
a resident of Palo Verde
on Oct 20, 2016 at 11:18 am

I don't see how an HOA feud justifies our tax payer funded fire vehicles being used for falsely declared purposes.
I don't care about Mountain View feuds, I care about safety and how my tax dollars are being used, and fire officials have to get serious and respect the rules. I don't think anyone in Palo Alto wants to see response times increased while paying for our vehicles to be taken on rides that are not approved by the dept, nor logged properly.

Posted by musical
a resident of Palo Verde
on Oct 20, 2016 at 11:24 am

I call multiple-names, and up-arrowing your own post.

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