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Critical Mass Murder?

Original post made by Darwin, another community, on Mar 1, 2011

I don't know if any of you witnessed the shocking scene that happened during a Brazilian Critical Mass event. Some guy intentionally plows through the bicyclists at a high rate of speed. Truly shocking stuff. I know that Critical Mass is a pain in the arse when you happen to run into it while you're driving through the city, but this is truly insane.

Now this video shows just how vulnerable a bicyclist is when struck by a car. Drivers please be careful of bicyclists even when the break the laws! You'll never forgive yourself if you hit someone with your car even if they were at fault.

Web Link

Link is a little disturbing.

Comments (35)

Posted by qq
a resident of Barron Park
on Mar 2, 2011 at 12:07 am

Too many humans in too small a space.

I don't think we were ever meant to live this way.

Mental illness is all around us.

Intermittent Explosive Disorder
Web Link

Road Rage, Sidewalk Rage, rage rage rage

qq


Posted by Outside Observer
a resident of another community
on Mar 2, 2011 at 12:36 am

If you don't want to be the victim of rage, don't bring it on by intentionally antagonising others.


Posted by Walter_E_Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 2, 2011 at 2:58 am

Walter_E_Wallis is a registered user.

Actions like Critical Mass are intentional dares to the general public. That such a dare is occasionally taken should be no surprise. The anonymity of the masses doesn't work out for some of the mass.


Posted by GiantsFan
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 2, 2011 at 8:04 am

Back in aught 5 or aught 6 (I'm trying to bring the use of "aught" back into fashion), I went to a Giants game at AT&T park. There was some kind of critical mass type event, and hundreds of cyclists were riding around the stadium. It seemed like an endless line of them, and it was preventing me from crossing the plaza and getting into the ballpark. This was at 3rd street, right past the bridge.
I was carrying my 2 year old daughter. I was so annoyed, and didn't want to miss any of the game, so I said "screw it - let 'em TRY and hit me and my kid!" So I held my breath, and walked across the sidewalk, staring the oncoming cyclists in the eye. A bunch of them slammed on their brakes and almost caused a huge pileup and I made it safely across, laughing about it, but also wondering if it wasn't such a great idea.


Posted by Resident
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Mar 2, 2011 at 8:16 am

Giants Fan

I would prefer "nought" myself, but this is what wiki says Web Link

I like the idea of calling the decade the "the noughties"!!

:)


Posted by Tea Party
a resident of Adobe-Meadow
on Mar 2, 2011 at 10:50 am

Of course, the Tea Partyers are supporting the murderer. So much for "pro life".


Posted by Walter_E_Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 2, 2011 at 11:02 am

Walter_E_Wallis is a registered user.

???


Posted by anon
a resident of another community
on Mar 2, 2011 at 2:01 pm

"I like the idea of calling the decade the "the noughties"!!"

Now, for a dreadful topic, that's awfully funny! Well done, resident.

Heckuva lot funnier than teabagger apologists who try to condone the actions above.

OO and WW: do you condemn the murderous act, or not?


Posted by Walter_E_Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 2, 2011 at 2:45 pm

Walter_E_Wallis is a registered user.

I condemn both acts - the Critical Mass disregard for law and courtesy and the rage response. The former is a dare, the later a response. A pox on both their houses.


Posted by Outside Observer
a resident of another community
on Mar 2, 2011 at 3:43 pm

I look at critical mass participants in the same way I look at graffiti vandals.


Both are sociopathic acts of self-aggrandizement at the public expense.


Posted by anon
a resident of another community
on Mar 2, 2011 at 4:06 pm

Walter:

Thanks for making yourself clear.

Personally, I'm glad to know that you condemn the violence *at least* as much as the protest.

OO: Really? Your inability to make a simple declarative statement denouncing violence stands out.


Posted by Outside Observer
a resident of another community
on Mar 2, 2011 at 4:56 pm

Violence is part of the behavioural repertoire of all predators.

No amount of denunciation can change that.

Those who hold an unrealistic view of violence are the ones likely to be the recipients. Case-in-point, the critical mass participants.


Posted by Walter_E_Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 4, 2011 at 11:40 am

Walter_E_Wallis is a registered user.

anon, I condemn violence and I condemn anti social violations of good conduct conducive to violence. Critical Mass is an affront to everyone's right to go peaceably about their own business. Like any mob action, Critical Mass is penultimate to violence. To condemn only the violent response and not the pre-violent act would be fatuous.


Posted by Anon.
a resident of Crescent Park
on Mar 6, 2011 at 10:37 pm

>> Critical Mass is an affront to everyone's right to go peaceably about their own business.

Traffic is too, your typical irrational argument works well to justify road rage.


Posted by Walter_E_Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 7, 2011 at 11:49 am

Walter_E_Wallis is a registered user.

Critical mass is the intentional blocking of traffic - traffic is just traffic.
Critical Mass and murderous response are equally evil.


Posted by anon
a resident of another community
on Mar 7, 2011 at 1:31 pm

"Critical Mass and murderous response are equally evil."

Peaceful protest, even agitated protest, is equal to murder?

No such things as "shades" from Walter - it's all black and white!

Hate to see what he would like done to folks who let the meter expire.


Posted by Walter_E_Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 7, 2011 at 4:58 pm

Walter_E_Wallis is a registered user.

A peaceful protest does NOT prevent people from going about their daily tasks. A peaceful protest does not force you to pay attention. A peaceful protest does not hold you hostage. Agitated protest = mob rule = chaos.


Posted by sure it can
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Mar 7, 2011 at 6:02 pm

"A peaceful protest does NOT prevent people from going about their daily tasks"

I am not defending it, but it is not uncommon in North California to have people sit in an intersection and chain themselves together to prevent car movement. It is obnoxious; it inconvenieces people, but it is peaceful, no violence is involved.


Posted by Commander McBragg
a resident of another community
on Mar 7, 2011 at 8:36 pm

Yes, go out there and stand up for your right to block traffic on your bike, and then act all surprised when someone gets infuriated by it.


Posted by sure it can
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Mar 7, 2011 at 10:40 pm

"...then act all surprised when someone gets infuriated by it."

so are you defending that cowardly act? Being annoyed does not justify assaulting someone with a car. They didnt deserve what happened to them.

Or are you somene that says things like
"A woman that dresses like that deserved it."


Posted by Walter_E_Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 8, 2011 at 6:09 am

Walter_E_Wallis is a registered user.

The obnoxious demonstration imprisons those impeded, albeit briefly. They have NO RIGHT to do so. There are two crimes here, on easily identified, the other diffuse and less easily punished but nevertheless a crime. When you stand in front of a car the potential for a slip is ever present. The cumulative rage of the mass opposed to the concentrated rage of one man? I repeat, a pox on both their houses.


Posted by anon
a resident of another community
on Mar 8, 2011 at 9:49 am

"Critical Mass and murderous response are equally evil."

protests = murder

False equivalency. A stunning example, actually. Gadaffi, Mubarak, the Saudi royals and the Chinese would be proud.


Posted by sure it can
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Mar 8, 2011 at 10:54 am

"They have NO RIGHT to do so"

So condsdier a driver that exceeds the speed limit, I assume you think it would be unjustified to escalate beyond a policeman giving him a ticket for the violation.

These bikers possibly deserved tickets, not to be dead.
Or are you suggesting that drivers that violate the law should be pursued by vigilantes with lethal force? Sure would solve the gas price issue quickly.


Posted by Walter_E_Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 9, 2011 at 8:51 am

Walter_E_Wallis is a registered user.

When a protest becomes a riot, all bets are off, and rioters, safe in the unaccountability of the crowd, know this. They have become a critical mass beyond law enforcement. I do not believe the crowd deserved the car, only that both actions, the crowd and the car were evil. The equivalence was from your mind, not mine.


Posted by sure it can
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Mar 9, 2011 at 10:22 am

Walter,

"When a protest becomes a riot, all bets are off..."

Did you actually watch the video?
I suspect not, since you are characterizing it as a "riot".
Those were pretty calm docile folks just enjoying the day.


Posted by Wally, Wally, Wally....
a resident of Woodside
on Mar 9, 2011 at 10:42 am

Walter: your last sentence -

"The equivalence was from your mind, not mine."

your previous comment:

"Critical Mass and murderous response are equally evil."

nice try, bucky, keep backpedaling....


Posted by Walter_E_Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 9, 2011 at 8:02 pm

Walter_E_Wallis is a registered user.

"Those were pretty calm docile folks just enjoying the day."
Enjoying shutting down traffic in defiance of the law.
"Critical Mass and murderous response are equally evil."
Backpedal? Me? The murderous response does not in any way justify the Critical Mess. They are both criminal actions. Both deserving punishment. Neither deserving the death penalty.
I reiterate - NO ONE, HOWEVER VIRTUOUS THE CAUSE, HAS THE RIGHT TO BLOCK TRAFFIC JUST TO MAKE A POINT. Critical Mass is lynch law, and I am against lynch law.


Posted by sure it can
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Mar 9, 2011 at 10:51 pm

Walter,

Do you agree your characterization of this event as a "riot" was inaccurate?


Posted by Outside Observer
a resident of another community
on Mar 9, 2011 at 10:57 pm

Walter,

Spell check let you down, or maybe it was a Freudian slip:

"Critical Mess"

Either way, a much more appropriate description. ;)


Posted by Walter_E_Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 10, 2011 at 4:34 am

Walter_E_Wallis is a registered user.

"Do you agree your characterization of this event as a "riot" was inaccurate?"
No, it was spot on. A massive disobedience of the law.
"Critical Mess"
Precisely what I meant.


Posted by sure it can
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Mar 10, 2011 at 7:57 am

"No, it was spot on. A massive disobedience of the law"

A riot by definition requires violence. It would appear you just have a problem with bicyclists in general and will even unfairly exaggerate any situation to cast them in a bad light. Watch the video, there were senior citizens and children in that ride, it was not a just bunch of thugs.



Posted by quibble
a resident of Barron Park
on Mar 10, 2011 at 9:52 am

law definition of riot:

"a disturbance of the public peace by three or more persons acting together in a disrupting and tumultuous manner in carrying out their private purposes."

from

dictionary.reference.com


Posted by sure it can
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Mar 10, 2011 at 11:22 am

You skipped over the comon definition, let me help.

riot: a noisy, violent public disorder caused by a group or crowd of persons, as by a crowd protesting against another group, a government policy, etc., in the streets.


Posted by Walter_E_Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 12, 2011 at 4:49 pm

Walter_E_Wallis is a registered user.

Intimidation is a form of violence.


Posted by False equivalence
a resident of Menlo Park
on Mar 12, 2011 at 5:16 pm

Walter:

Earlier in this thread, you seemed the reasonable one, willing to denounce violence.

And lately, you compare, equally, protest with violence.

"Critical Mass and murderous response are equally evil."

I find that incomprehensible. False equivalence.


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