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As parklets take over, restaurants and retailers clash over space

City Council to require eateries to obtain neighbors' consent for extensions of dining areas

Customers eat a meal in Oren's Hummus' parklet on University Avenue in Palo Alto on April 30, 2022. Photo by Gennady Sheyner.

Nancy Coupal refers to the parklet that stretches outside her Ramona Street eatery, Coupa Café, as a "lifeline."

For the past two years, she and dozens of other restaurant owners have been banking on these newly constructed outdoor dining areas to keep their businesses running and their customers safe during the pandemic.

"We needed parklets to survive," Coupal said in an interview. "Even now, the majority of the people prefer to sit outside."

She is not the only person who likes parklets, which have replaced parking spaces with dining areas in various locations throughout downtown and other commercial areas. Residents and visitors overwhelmingly love them, according to city polls, and the City Council has consistently supported keeping them around, even as it continues to adjust the rules and design standards that govern outdoor dining.

The city's latest revision, however, will likely require Coupal and other restaurant owners to substantially scale back their parklets. By a 4-3 vote, the council voted early Tuesday to institute a new requirement for parklets like Coupal's that extend past adjacent storefronts: a letter of consent from neighbors.

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In Coupal's case, the landowner next door is Elizabeth Wong, a local developer who has been lobbying the city to kill Coupa's parklet and who, as such, is unlikely to provide such a letter (Wong who did not respond to a request for comment).

Earlier this year, Wong had lobbied the city to remove the Coupa parklet, which Wong said takes up 70% of the frontage of her property at 532-536 Ramona St., which is next to the cafe.

"The parklet hides the frontage of the property and has made it impossible to attract prospective tenants for premises, which have been vacant since the pandemic," Wong wrote to the city in May.

Coupa's experience is hardly unique. A few blocks away on University Avenue, Sand Hill Property Company has requested that the city curtail the parklet that was installed by the restaurant Local Union 271. The parklet extends past the frontage of Restoration Hardware, a building that Sand Hill recently purchased. For Sand Hill and Restoration Hardware, that's a problem. Steve Rouman, senior vice president for real estate at Palo Alto Hardware, officially requested this week that the council remove the portion of the parklet that extends past the store.

The parklet, Rouman wrote, "clearly impacts RH's business as the parklet extends in front of the RH street side windows, restricting and blocking the view of the storefront, which displays furniture and other merchandise to customers." He also argued that the initial justification that was used to create parklets — to address the impacts of COVID-19, which makes it unsafe to eat indoors — no longer applies.

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"Any prior permission granted by RH to erect the parklet was given under the clear premise that this was a temporary measure, designed to assist eating and drinking businesses such as cafes, restaurants, and retail food establishments through a crisis that no longer exists," Rouman wrote. "RH cooperated with the temporary parklet program and has been a good neighbor to the University Avenue community and consented to the temporary parklet program to assist its fellow commercial neighbors."

Jason Villarreal, chief operations officer and head of asset management at Sand Hill, similarly argued in a letter to the city that the parklet "reduces significant visibility of the store" and asked the council to require restaurants to "retract their outdoor dining space to the end of their building" and allow the parklet space near Restoration Hardware to revert to a parking space.

"I understand that during the pandemic outside dining and social distancing was very much needed; however, with the pandemic on the mend it doesn't seem needed as much as most people aren't wearing masks and have been fully vaccinated with boosters," Villarreal wrote.

Steve Sinchek, owner of Local Union 271, told the council that Restoration Hardware had always supported his restaurant's parklet. But after Sand Hill Properties bought the building, it began to express concerns that the parklet is "potentially blocking the storefront and limiting parking," Sinchek wrote to the council.

"The parking that we are taking up amounts to one additional space. Since the pandemic, Restoration Hardware has been extremely positive about the amount of foot traffic we have brought to University Avenue and their business," Sinchek wrote. "This foot traffic is far in excess to the single parking space that most likely would not be occupied by their customer."

In considering the new parklet policy, the council struggled to resolve two different and, at times, conflicting missions: ensuring that public outdoor spaces continue to contribute to civic life and respecting the desires of downtown property owners, including retailers who don't directly benefit from parklets.

Coupal lobbied the council not to require letters of consent from neighbors. Only the city, she argued, should decide on "consent" and parklet permits should be based on whether they fulfill the city's goal of making the public realm more vibrant.

"Contrary to what some landlords may say, parklets have definitely contributed to the livelihood and continued existence of restaurants, which are the primary businesses promoting Palo Alto as a destination for visitors," Coupal said.

But after much agonizing, the council opted to require neighbor consent. Under the proposal that the council adopted by a 4-3 vote, with Mayor Pat Burt and council members Greer Stone and Greg Tanaka dissenting, restaurants that don't have consent would have to remove parklets that extend past neighboring properties after June 2023.

Council member Eric Filseth called the neighbor-consent requirement a "squeamish issue" but suggested that requiring a consent letter is the "least evil" way of dealing with this dilemma.

"When you have your own property, you can do what you want on your own property, as long as it's within zoning code and you don't put an abattoir next to a nunnery or something like that," Filseth said. "Now, we're talking about implied rights of use on public property."

Diners enjoy meals outdoors on California Avenue in Palo Alto, where Public Works crews painted road markings to prepare for a new configuration of the road on Aug. 10, 2022. Photo by Gennady Sheyner.

Burt also attempted to walk the fine line between asserting the city's rights over its public spaces and landowners' rights over their businesses.

"On the one hand, the city clearly owns the sidewalks and the streets. It's not the property of the tenant or the building owner," Burt said. "On the other hand, there are certain rights that are implicit and some gray areas there, in terms of not denying them the visibility or certain things that really impede their ability to do their business."

Ultimately, Burt and Filseth landed on opposite sides of the dilemma. Filseth supported a motion from council member Alison Cormack that, among other rules, requires neighbors' consent but gives parklet operators six months to comply with requests to remove the parklets. The new rule would kick in next year, which means existing parklets would be allowed to remain in place at least until the end of June.

The council also officially extended the interim parklet program, which was set to expire at the end of this year, until June 30. After that time, the plan is to replace it with a permanent ordinance that lays out rules for building and operating parklets.

The new regulations will likely entail a fee for restaurants that wish to build parklets. While the council did not specify the fee amounts this week, DuBois suggested setting them at about 70% of the estimated rental rates for city land. Under this scheme, a downtown restaurant would pay between $8,000 and $9,000 per year while a restaurant outside downtown would pay about $4,200 annually.

Even those who supported the requirement of a consent letter warned that the new rule could spur conflicts among businesses. DuBois called the issue of consent letters a "red herring" and suggested that there will be some situations in which there is no consent.

The city, he argued, should avoid creating a situation where there is "coercion between businesses in order to get their parklet approved." Rather than serve as an arbitrator, DuBois said, the city should assert its powers as a landlord and lease out spaces to businesses based on benefits to the wider community.

He also noted that even in a system where consent is required, disputes would still occur when properties turn over or tenants change their minds about space outside their storefronts.

"Ultimately, I think we're being a little naive and too simplistic to just say, 'You can lease in front of the other building if you have consent,'" DuBois said.

Cormack suggested that requiring neighbor consent but giving restaurants at least until June 2023 "gives people time to use what they've already invested in and resolves a problem that we're seeing pop up."

Burt proposed an alternative that would allow restaurants to put up parklets without roof coverings or obstructions above 38 inches in height in front of neighboring businesses, provided those businesses are not food and beverage establishments. While council member Greer Stone supported this approach, the rest of the council did not.

Burt highlighted the importance of dining in attracting people downtown, particularly at a time when there are fewer workers.

"This is a social transformation," Burt said. "People are out, using these spaces, valuing them as a really important part of their civic experience and their social life."

Tanaka also lauded the growth of outdoor dining and said he wants to see the city think bigger when it comes to enhancing its public spaces. The current parklet ecosystem is "haphazard," he said, and the council should work to make local dining areas more permanent and more reflective of the city's vision for outdoor dining.

"I realize we have the dream, and we have today. I'm just trying to think of how we bridge that?" Tanaka said.

But for restaurant owners like Coupal, the council's action on Monday was a step backward when it comes to outdoor dining. The requirement for neighbor consent would require her to remove about two-thirds of her parklet.

"How are they going to deal with unreasonable landlords or businesses that don't want to give consent but at the same time do not fulfill the objectives of a parklet?" Coupal asked after the meeting. "It's a big question that they didn't answer because they're so wishy-washy."

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As parklets take over, restaurants and retailers clash over space

City Council to require eateries to obtain neighbors' consent for extensions of dining areas

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Nancy Coupal refers to the parklet that stretches outside her Ramona Street eatery, Coupa Café, as a "lifeline."

For the past two years, she and dozens of other restaurant owners have been banking on these newly constructed outdoor dining areas to keep their businesses running and their customers safe during the pandemic.

"We needed parklets to survive," Coupal said in an interview. "Even now, the majority of the people prefer to sit outside."

She is not the only person who likes parklets, which have replaced parking spaces with dining areas in various locations throughout downtown and other commercial areas. Residents and visitors overwhelmingly love them, according to city polls, and the City Council has consistently supported keeping them around, even as it continues to adjust the rules and design standards that govern outdoor dining.

The city's latest revision, however, will likely require Coupal and other restaurant owners to substantially scale back their parklets. By a 4-3 vote, the council voted early Tuesday to institute a new requirement for parklets like Coupal's that extend past adjacent storefronts: a letter of consent from neighbors.

In Coupal's case, the landowner next door is Elizabeth Wong, a local developer who has been lobbying the city to kill Coupa's parklet and who, as such, is unlikely to provide such a letter (Wong who did not respond to a request for comment).

Earlier this year, Wong had lobbied the city to remove the Coupa parklet, which Wong said takes up 70% of the frontage of her property at 532-536 Ramona St., which is next to the cafe.

"The parklet hides the frontage of the property and has made it impossible to attract prospective tenants for premises, which have been vacant since the pandemic," Wong wrote to the city in May.

Coupa's experience is hardly unique. A few blocks away on University Avenue, Sand Hill Property Company has requested that the city curtail the parklet that was installed by the restaurant Local Union 271. The parklet extends past the frontage of Restoration Hardware, a building that Sand Hill recently purchased. For Sand Hill and Restoration Hardware, that's a problem. Steve Rouman, senior vice president for real estate at Palo Alto Hardware, officially requested this week that the council remove the portion of the parklet that extends past the store.

The parklet, Rouman wrote, "clearly impacts RH's business as the parklet extends in front of the RH street side windows, restricting and blocking the view of the storefront, which displays furniture and other merchandise to customers." He also argued that the initial justification that was used to create parklets — to address the impacts of COVID-19, which makes it unsafe to eat indoors — no longer applies.

"Any prior permission granted by RH to erect the parklet was given under the clear premise that this was a temporary measure, designed to assist eating and drinking businesses such as cafes, restaurants, and retail food establishments through a crisis that no longer exists," Rouman wrote. "RH cooperated with the temporary parklet program and has been a good neighbor to the University Avenue community and consented to the temporary parklet program to assist its fellow commercial neighbors."

Jason Villarreal, chief operations officer and head of asset management at Sand Hill, similarly argued in a letter to the city that the parklet "reduces significant visibility of the store" and asked the council to require restaurants to "retract their outdoor dining space to the end of their building" and allow the parklet space near Restoration Hardware to revert to a parking space.

"I understand that during the pandemic outside dining and social distancing was very much needed; however, with the pandemic on the mend it doesn't seem needed as much as most people aren't wearing masks and have been fully vaccinated with boosters," Villarreal wrote.

Steve Sinchek, owner of Local Union 271, told the council that Restoration Hardware had always supported his restaurant's parklet. But after Sand Hill Properties bought the building, it began to express concerns that the parklet is "potentially blocking the storefront and limiting parking," Sinchek wrote to the council.

"The parking that we are taking up amounts to one additional space. Since the pandemic, Restoration Hardware has been extremely positive about the amount of foot traffic we have brought to University Avenue and their business," Sinchek wrote. "This foot traffic is far in excess to the single parking space that most likely would not be occupied by their customer."

In considering the new parklet policy, the council struggled to resolve two different and, at times, conflicting missions: ensuring that public outdoor spaces continue to contribute to civic life and respecting the desires of downtown property owners, including retailers who don't directly benefit from parklets.

Coupal lobbied the council not to require letters of consent from neighbors. Only the city, she argued, should decide on "consent" and parklet permits should be based on whether they fulfill the city's goal of making the public realm more vibrant.

"Contrary to what some landlords may say, parklets have definitely contributed to the livelihood and continued existence of restaurants, which are the primary businesses promoting Palo Alto as a destination for visitors," Coupal said.

But after much agonizing, the council opted to require neighbor consent. Under the proposal that the council adopted by a 4-3 vote, with Mayor Pat Burt and council members Greer Stone and Greg Tanaka dissenting, restaurants that don't have consent would have to remove parklets that extend past neighboring properties after June 2023.

Council member Eric Filseth called the neighbor-consent requirement a "squeamish issue" but suggested that requiring a consent letter is the "least evil" way of dealing with this dilemma.

"When you have your own property, you can do what you want on your own property, as long as it's within zoning code and you don't put an abattoir next to a nunnery or something like that," Filseth said. "Now, we're talking about implied rights of use on public property."

Burt also attempted to walk the fine line between asserting the city's rights over its public spaces and landowners' rights over their businesses.

"On the one hand, the city clearly owns the sidewalks and the streets. It's not the property of the tenant or the building owner," Burt said. "On the other hand, there are certain rights that are implicit and some gray areas there, in terms of not denying them the visibility or certain things that really impede their ability to do their business."

Ultimately, Burt and Filseth landed on opposite sides of the dilemma. Filseth supported a motion from council member Alison Cormack that, among other rules, requires neighbors' consent but gives parklet operators six months to comply with requests to remove the parklets. The new rule would kick in next year, which means existing parklets would be allowed to remain in place at least until the end of June.

The council also officially extended the interim parklet program, which was set to expire at the end of this year, until June 30. After that time, the plan is to replace it with a permanent ordinance that lays out rules for building and operating parklets.

The new regulations will likely entail a fee for restaurants that wish to build parklets. While the council did not specify the fee amounts this week, DuBois suggested setting them at about 70% of the estimated rental rates for city land. Under this scheme, a downtown restaurant would pay between $8,000 and $9,000 per year while a restaurant outside downtown would pay about $4,200 annually.

Even those who supported the requirement of a consent letter warned that the new rule could spur conflicts among businesses. DuBois called the issue of consent letters a "red herring" and suggested that there will be some situations in which there is no consent.

The city, he argued, should avoid creating a situation where there is "coercion between businesses in order to get their parklet approved." Rather than serve as an arbitrator, DuBois said, the city should assert its powers as a landlord and lease out spaces to businesses based on benefits to the wider community.

He also noted that even in a system where consent is required, disputes would still occur when properties turn over or tenants change their minds about space outside their storefronts.

"Ultimately, I think we're being a little naive and too simplistic to just say, 'You can lease in front of the other building if you have consent,'" DuBois said.

Cormack suggested that requiring neighbor consent but giving restaurants at least until June 2023 "gives people time to use what they've already invested in and resolves a problem that we're seeing pop up."

Burt proposed an alternative that would allow restaurants to put up parklets without roof coverings or obstructions above 38 inches in height in front of neighboring businesses, provided those businesses are not food and beverage establishments. While council member Greer Stone supported this approach, the rest of the council did not.

Burt highlighted the importance of dining in attracting people downtown, particularly at a time when there are fewer workers.

"This is a social transformation," Burt said. "People are out, using these spaces, valuing them as a really important part of their civic experience and their social life."

Tanaka also lauded the growth of outdoor dining and said he wants to see the city think bigger when it comes to enhancing its public spaces. The current parklet ecosystem is "haphazard," he said, and the council should work to make local dining areas more permanent and more reflective of the city's vision for outdoor dining.

"I realize we have the dream, and we have today. I'm just trying to think of how we bridge that?" Tanaka said.

But for restaurant owners like Coupal, the council's action on Monday was a step backward when it comes to outdoor dining. The requirement for neighbor consent would require her to remove about two-thirds of her parklet.

"How are they going to deal with unreasonable landlords or businesses that don't want to give consent but at the same time do not fulfill the objectives of a parklet?" Coupal asked after the meeting. "It's a big question that they didn't answer because they're so wishy-washy."

Comments

MyFeelz
Registered user
another community
on Oct 26, 2022 at 10:08 am
MyFeelz, another community
Registered user
on Oct 26, 2022 at 10:08 am

"Burt also attempted to walk the fine line between asserting the city's rights over its public spaces and landowners' rights over their businesses." Where else can you get 70% extra tax-free footage except here in Palo Alto?

Here's a thought. Either tax the FULL public space the parklets are taking up, OR reduce the taxes of the fixed buildings that are being hidden from view thanks to the parklets by 70%. It still isn't going to satisfy the merchants who have been losing business for YEARS now to allow people to sit in plastic chairs on asphalt while they eat.

Penny wise, pound foolish, as the saying goes. The Governor says the public emergency is ending. So move all the restaurants. I have an idea for the perfect location. A bunch of industrial buildings need to be torn down at the end of San Antonio road. Talk about easy access! Now that Palo Alto is a "street food tourist destination", let's put those restaurants closer to the freeway. Bikers can come by train, and pedal on down. Or since they are real bike enthusiasts they can pedal all the way from San Mateo or Hollister or wherever for "Street Eats".

Popcorn is popping, sodas 10 cents a bottle.


eileen
Registered user
College Terrace
on Oct 26, 2022 at 12:04 pm
eileen , College Terrace
Registered user
on Oct 26, 2022 at 12:04 pm

Love, MyFeelz comment!

Personally, I would love to see some common sense and beauty come back in our dining-out experience! Have you noticed how dirty these
streets are? Yuck!

I do like the new Austrian restaurant called, Naschmarkt. Fantastic food and a beautiful indoor setting! It's located on Birch St. off California Ave. Just around the corner from Printers Inc.


Chris Dewees
Registered user
Leland Manor/Garland Drive
on Oct 26, 2022 at 12:06 pm
Chris Dewees, Leland Manor/Garland Drive
Registered user
on Oct 26, 2022 at 12:06 pm

As much as the general public may like parklets, they were intended to be temporary to support restaurants during the height of the pandemic. They were never intended to be permanent, as reflected in their varied size, construction and poor integration with the design and character of the streets they occupy. I understand the desire of restaurant owners to make them permanent -- a huge expansion of table space at far below market rent -- but other businesses are being harmed (if they were not, they would not object). Rather than wobbling around the issue, the City Counsel should take a more deliberate and thoughtful approach, include a harmonious street and outdoor space design and market lease rates. I bet a solution that is aesthetically pleasing, attractive to pedestrians, well integrated, minimally intrusive and fairly priced would garner significant support. If Mountain View can do this, surely we can too.


Bystander
Registered user
Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Oct 26, 2022 at 12:36 pm
Bystander, Another Palo Alto neighborhood
Registered user
on Oct 26, 2022 at 12:36 pm

My take is that most of these are ugly shacks, not well designed pleasant places to dine. Some are much nicer than others but we should at the very least have some standards put in place. I enjoy sitting outside and eating and I find that there are still plenty of passers by walking to another destination, retail, restaurant or vehicle. I think some of these are likely to enter a new establishment on impulse as they pass.

But I do think some of the ugliness and temporary feel of some of these should be dealt with. Additionally, the biggest concern I have is the likelihood of collisions between servers with plates of hot food and passers by not paying attention to moving obstacles. Not sure what the solution may be to this, but feel it is worth mentioning.


MyFeelz
Registered user
JLS Middle School
on Oct 26, 2022 at 12:53 pm
MyFeelz, JLS Middle School
Registered user
on Oct 26, 2022 at 12:53 pm

I forgot, and this is a timely issue especially after yesterday's mini-swarm of earthquakes. Do all of these parklets conform to earthquake standards? I will take my answer off the air. I already know the answer but will wait till someone from the CC chimes in to reassure everyone that the designs and materials are guaranteed to be earthquake proof and will last for centuries.

p.s. or are there "dine at your own risk" signs planted everywhere?


NeilsonBuchanan
Registered user
Downtown North
on Oct 26, 2022 at 1:05 pm
NeilsonBuchanan, Downtown North
Registered user
on Oct 26, 2022 at 1:05 pm

I am not sure Palo Alto citizens want context from New York City, but Curbed published interesting context for parklets and plywood: Plywood Gourmet.

This link should be free for a bit longer than a New York minute.

Web Link


Annette
Registered user
College Terrace
on Oct 26, 2022 at 1:20 pm
Annette, College Terrace
Registered user
on Oct 26, 2022 at 1:20 pm

Too bad this issue didn't surface more fully before all the candidate forums and endorsement interviews. Given that we are approaching year end it is highly unlikely that the current CC will decide this issue. So, candidate opinions about this are highly relevant.

Anyone hosting a candidate coffee or other forum, please ask about this.


Online Name
Registered user
Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Oct 26, 2022 at 2:07 pm
Online Name, Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
Registered user
on Oct 26, 2022 at 2:07 pm

Interesting and relevant comments from the last two posters, especially the point about candidate opinions since the votes of the current CC members are -- as always -- so predictably pro-landlord.

Do note that the new owner of the Restoration Hardware building is not exactly disinterested since there are plans to open a new high-end RH restaurant as reported a few days ago in the New York Times.Web Link

"The Company Once Known as Restoration Hardware Is Opening Restaurants. Why?

The furnishings store has moved into the hospitality business — but the food may not be the point.

On a recent night at the Dining Room at RH Guesthouse New York — a restaurant from the home-design company formerly known as Restoration Hardware — the server began her tableside spiel with a paean to the surroundings: “Welcome to our very beige space.”
...
RH opened its first restaurant in 2015, in the courtyard of a historic building in the wealthy Gold Coast neighborhood of Chicago. Most locations share roughly the same furnishings (chandeliers, olive trees, a fountain) and menu (burgers, chicken, Caesar salads). And more restaurants are on the way, with plans to open in Paris, London, Palo Alto, Calif., and Aspen, Colo."


Chip
Registered user
JLS Middle School
on Oct 26, 2022 at 4:28 pm
Chip, JLS Middle School
Registered user
on Oct 26, 2022 at 4:28 pm

For decades, I enjoyed shopping & dining in downtown Palo Alto, preferring to support mostly local retailers instead of the big chains at Stanford Shopping Center. No more. The "Help-us-out-during-a-pandemic" rationale, which let cafes put tables in streets & on sidewalks is over, folks.
I did not then & will never eat at one of those ugly outdoor places. I don't want to eat where the floor is an unsanitary sidewalk or on a rough tarmac street & people bring dogs to the tables "because it's outside." I won't patronize establishments which usurp tax-payer-funded public spaces, formerly unobstructed sidewalks & street parking. If the food isn't good enough to lure diners inside now, the restaurant deserves to fail & make way for a better business. How is eating inside a plastic-enclosed tent (Evvia) safer/more healthy than eating inside where there's proper ventilation and a clean floor?
Outdoor propane heaters are an ecological abuse.
Perpendicular, cross-sidewalk traffic from servers & bussers is detrimental to pedestrians and inhibits access to retail shops. These parklets (peculiarly-named, since there's nothing pretty or park-like about them) were a publicly-funded gift to restaurants at the expense of retailers. Absolutely make any that Palo Alto so magnanimously allows to remain pay very heavily for the right to impede pedestrians & remove public parking. Some disabled people cannot walk from the garages to the stores they previously visited because convenient street parking is gone. Do not allow even one inch of encroachment into neighboring office or store frontage. Ban the use of propane heaters, in use even when no one is eating outside.
Sayonara, PA. I dine indoors and shop elsewhere. I can safely walk without servers interrupting my forward motion or dogs yipping at me, and worse, causing trip hazards. If I tripped over the leash of a dog tied to a parklet enclosure, I'd sue the cafe & the City.


ALB
Registered user
College Terrace
on Oct 26, 2022 at 9:06 pm
ALB, College Terrace
Registered user
on Oct 26, 2022 at 9:06 pm

The virus is not over so the city working through regulations for parklets is critical. State Street in Santa Barbara is an excellent example of merchants and restaurants working together to deliver an ambienance that appeals to many. Again, this virus keeps marching on and we need outdoor dining. If a patron prefers indoor dining then that is their choice. The city needs to keep outdoor dining for health reasons and because many enjoy that experience over that of indoors.


resident3
Registered user
Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Oct 27, 2022 at 4:31 am
resident3, Another Palo Alto neighborhood
Registered user
on Oct 27, 2022 at 4:31 am

@ALB,

“State Street in Santa Barbara is an excellent example of merchants and restaurants working together to deliver an ambienance that appeals to many”

Ambience should include cleanliness, are their streets cleaner?
Palo Alto Downtown streets and sidewalks are noticeably dirty lately. Maybe the regular sweeper trucks can’t operate normally with parklets? In NYC you can catch rats around the parklets which could be a site because our local population of rodents will make their way over there if they haven’t already.

As for the virus’ effect, it is no longer keeping children from going to school which means that adults can grow up and dine normally at establishments or stay home. Between negotiated tax exemptions for businesses under 10,000 feet, cost of parklets, and restaurants pushing their own candidate for Council, the Chamber of Commerce only asks but by not making sure DT is clean it’s not helping.


El Pato
Registered user
Green Acres
on Oct 27, 2022 at 11:59 am
El Pato, Green Acres
Registered user
on Oct 27, 2022 at 11:59 am

State Street in Santa Barbara? There are far more rats under those parklets than any other CA city we visited. Sure, let's copy them!! The highest commercial vacancy rate in the Central Coast and a strong left leaning City Council that paints a pretty picture that all is harmonious. Offices are vacating, retailers are leaving,,,even restaurants are leaving the plywood dump. Retailers are unhappy, landlords are unhappy but the council and press show the rainbows and unicorns like all other parklet loving wingnut. Outdoor dining is not new. The preference to dine outdoors has been #1 for restaurants for over 50 years. Outdoor dining is not attracting new business, it is poaching/transplanting or cannibalizing from neighboring side streets who pay full rent for their patios. 3 years of rent free patios has been the lifeline, not outdoor dining itself. If these restaurants had to pay market rent for their street use (like all other restaurants who chose their location to INCLUDE a paid for dining patio pre-COVID) they would organically reduce their size. They should not receive below market rent. They should not be allowed to expand beyond their footprint. They should not be allowed to continue to steal from their neighbors, who willfully supported their opportunity at a time in need...now these greedy freeloaders want to bury their neighbors with the very hands that generously provided them the handout. Despicable, entitled and greedy freeloaders, enough is enough. The city has afforded these handful of businesses a favortism that has caused severe financial damage to other rule following businesses. These financial damages are only recoverable through reparations and the time is now to hold our city and our state accountable for their carnage.


resident3
Registered user
Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Oct 27, 2022 at 2:05 pm
resident3, Another Palo Alto neighborhood
Registered user
on Oct 27, 2022 at 2:05 pm

Also sad to lose University Avenue to this situation.


eileen
Registered user
College Terrace
on Oct 27, 2022 at 4:36 pm
eileen , College Terrace
Registered user
on Oct 27, 2022 at 4:36 pm

when I traveled all over Europe this summer I saw very few parklets. Most restaurants have very large awnings that can come out and cover the dining tables. Also, closed-walking streets have tables located right outside the restaurant with pedestrians and bikes walking in the middle of the street.
That way they can see the other retail stores and not run into waiters!
A walking street means walking in the middle of the street! I hope the CC can understand that and get rid of all parklets. They are mostly (with a few exceptions) an ugly eyesore! Yes, the candidates should address this issue.


MyFeelz
Registered user
JLS Middle School
on Oct 27, 2022 at 5:24 pm
MyFeelz, JLS Middle School
Registered user
on Oct 27, 2022 at 5:24 pm

Another obvious answer I won't get here from anybody who's making the rules is this: Suppose I'm on foot, make a wrong turn and end up on Cal Ave. Plumb tired, I sit down at any one of those tables that are on the taxpayer-funded street, where nobody who's doing business there is paying rent or tax. Can I sit there indefinitely and read War and Peace? Or do I have to purchase a meal, to be allowed to stay on streets where nobody is paying rent on tax-free land?

Or, because somebody had to pay for the chair and table, could whoever paid for that evict me?

Could I just sit in the middle of the taxpayer-funded street, without getting in the way of a busser or a waiter?

What if a gaggle of homeless people try to sit there, to get out of the sun/wind/rain/exhaustion?

What if that same gaggle staged a sit-in? It should be safe, since there's no traffic.

And I'm kind of wondering, where are people relieving themselves while sitting in a parklet?

More rhetorical questions we all know the answers to, but everybody's too afraid to say it.


resident3
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Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Oct 27, 2022 at 5:59 pm
resident3, Another Palo Alto neighborhood
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on Oct 27, 2022 at 5:59 pm

@MyFeelz.

"Could I just sit in the middle of the taxpayer-funded street, without getting in the way of a busser or a waiter?"

All good questions.

And how can property owners or Restoration Hardware have rights to negotiate what happens on taxpayer-funded streets? I admit I did not continue reading below the headline of this article because it sounds like the usual compromises at City Hall to amass the biggest philanthropy to subsidize businesses at the expense of sensible stuff that one would expect any city to do. Parklets goes above and beyond, but am sure there is an award for this somewhere.


Robert
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Midtown
on Nov 1, 2022 at 5:56 pm
Robert , Midtown
Registered user
on Nov 1, 2022 at 5:56 pm

Well Burt made it perfectly clear she could care less about any retail unless it's restaurants? I'm all for consent the rules apply to all and every small business deserves the same treatment.


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