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School board to test new public-comment rules

Board seeks balance of hearing from community and getting through business

In an effort to rein in meetings that regularly run past 10 p.m., the Palo Alto Board of Education is testing a series of limits on public comment, but some community members are voicing concern that this could hinder their ability to provide feedback to their elected officials.

The board approved the changes at a governance workshop last Wednesday, Sept. 13, and decided to pilot them for the rest of the current school year. They will begin at the board's next regular meeting on Sept. 26.

Trustees decided unanimously to limit comment for both agendized items and during open forum, a section at the start at every meeting when people can speak to any issue not on the agenda for that meeting. If there are 10 or fewer speakers for an agendized item or in total for open forum, each person will get the typical three minutes. If there are between 11 and 15 speakers, their time will go down to two minutes; between 16 and 20 people to one-and-a-half minutes; and to one minute for more than 20.

Several board members opposed another proposal to randomly pick speakers if there are more than 20.

The discussion centered on how to balance what board member Todd Collins called "two competing goods" -- hearing public comments and getting through the public's business at a decent hour. Several hot-button issues tested the board's balance of these two elements during the last school year, from community outcry over the high schools' weighted grade reporting practices to the implementation of a new sex-education curriculum.

The board also voted 3-2 (Collins, Ken Dauber and Terry Godfrey in favor) to implement a 30-minute cap on open forum and add a 15-minute section at the end of meetings for overflow comments.

In interviews with the Weekly, several community members expressed concern about the impact of the limits on the public's ability to make their voices heard.

"When students speak they should be heard without the menace of a shortened buzzer. Parents and teachers take the time to prepare (for) and attend board meetings with the intent to deliver ideas for consideration, articulate their heart-felt principles and publicly provide a glimpse into the 'state of the state' of families," Christina Schmidt, the former chair of special-education advocacy group Community Advisory Committee, wrote in an email.

Kimberly Rice D'Ewart, a regular participant in board meetings, commented on the Weekly's Facebook page that she finds open forum "the most valuable, informative, efficiently run and lacking of dead-time portion of the meetings.

"You are basically taking away the ability to make any substantial argument by reducing the public speaking time by two-thirds," she wrote. "Reward those who are going out of their way to ... make a point they think will better their community by giving them your attention!"

Gunn High School's student board representative, senior Advait Arun, said he's not supportive of scaling down speaking time based on the number of people who show up for any given issue. A hard cap of 30 minutes, he said, would be better.

"If 10 people come for an issue and then (one more person) comes in, are we going to decrease the time for everyone else just because that one person arrived late?" he asked.

Regardless, speakers should be prepared to pare down prepared remarks or email their comments to board members, Arun said in an interview. He plans to seek reaction from Gunn students on the changes and provide feedback to the board members.

Schmidt said she's observed an increase over the last year in groups turning out to meetings to advocate for a particular issue.

She and others suggested other ways to handle this increased attendance without potentially hindering the public's ability to speak. The board could take a snap poll after several statements expressing the same position, she proposed, to prevent repetition and allow for diversity of opinion.

The board could also hold more special meetings on particular topics that trustees know will garner ample community input, Schmidt said. The board did this last year on the district budget, class size, board policies and other topics.

Parent Rita Tetzlaff, a regular speaker at board meetings, said these special meetings would be a good opportunity for the board to interact more with the public and respond to specific comments.

Stephen Schmidt, who serves as the parent representative on the board's policy review committee and has spoken at many board meetings, said he is not against limiting speakers' time as long as overflow time is built in at the end of meetings. He suggested board members also limit the amount of time they speak and cut down on staff presentations of reports that the board has received and read beforehand.

"The basis of the board's move is a belief that community comment is what delays meetings. For a board that tends to love data, where is their data that it is community input that is the issue, and not other aspects of the meeting?" Schmidt asked.

At the governance workshop, board members also voted unanimously to change the board's default end time from 10 p.m. to 10:30 p.m. and allow themselves to only vote to extend the meeting once. (In the past, members have regularly approved numerous extensions throughout the evening as they tried to get to remaining agenda items, often postponing non-time-sensitive items to a later date.)

They also discussed the value of the board's two-meeting rule, which requires members to discuss an item at least once before voting on it. Dauber said this rule is harming rather than helping the board's processes and suggested they do away with it.

"I think it's a source of unnecessary time for the community where they have to come twice if they want to comment on something, and for issues where there is a lot of community comment it takes up an inordinate amount of board time to do that," he said. "I don't think it serves the decision-making process well."

Trustee Melissa Baten Caswell disagreed, arguing that the rule increases transparency by giving people two chances to comment on an issue and allows time for staff to answer board members' questions.

Board members also agreed to discuss at a later date how to incorporate emails sent to the board into agenda packets. The practice is currently inconsistent, with staff including emails from people who request their communication to be included in the public packets. This contrasts with the Palo Alto City Council's practice of automatically including all emails to the council in meeting packets without redactions.

Trustees agreed to seek legal counsel on how the board could implement such a practice while protecting personal information about students.

The board will review the effectiveness of the pilot governance changes at its retreat next year before deciding whether to make them permanent.

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Posted by JA3+
a resident of Crescent Park
on Sep 18, 2017 at 4:59 pm

"They also discussed the value of the board's two-meeting rule, which requires members to discuss an item at least once before voting on it. Dauber said this rule is an anomaly among legislative bodies, and suggested the school board do away with it."

Agree in full with Mr. Dauber's suggestion and the logic underlying same. Over the past 27 years or so, I have attended many public hearings and study sessions in quite a few municipalities in Northern California; I've never run across a similar or identical 'two meeting' rule.

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Posted by Peter Carpenter
a resident of Atherton
on Sep 18, 2017 at 5:11 pm

Peter Carpenter is a registered user.

Elected officials should not forget that they work for the public.

In my opinion a 60 second time limit on public comment effectively denies the right of citizens to address their elected officials.

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Posted by Resident
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Sep 18, 2017 at 6:17 pm

I would suggest that the Board Members themselves are also limited to 3 minutes each time they are given the opportunity to speak on each subject. I have been to meetings where the board members spend so much time saying very little of substance.

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Posted by Bob
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Sep 18, 2017 at 6:26 pm

> I've never run across a similar or identical 'two meeting' rule.

Doesn't the City of Palo Alto have such a rule--at least for passing ordinances?

Doesn't discussing an item of importance and then voting on it at a later time give the voters and parents an opportunity to comment on the item via email (or paper) communications with the Board?

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Posted by Roger
a resident of College Terrace
on Sep 18, 2017 at 8:02 pm

@Bob, yes, I believe CA state law requires at least two readings/votes (maybe 3) for ordinances (laws), but not for resolutions. I believe that comes from the CA General Code. I think that is true in most legislative bodies - multiple readings for laws.

But for everything else (resolutions, etc.), I am pretty sure they can do what they want. For the school board, I think the rule has been that they MUST discuss EVERYTHING at two meetings, unless they waive the rule, which it seems like they can do any time they want.

School boards don't pass laws, so I'm not sure that two/three reading requirement would apply to them.

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Posted by doo be do
a resident of Barron Park
on Sep 19, 2017 at 7:50 am

I would've gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for all these pesky public speakers!

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Posted by for healthier High Schools
a resident of Gunn High School
on Sep 21, 2017 at 5:19 pm

Well, glub, glub, this is certainly better than rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic, but still not quite at the level of redesigning those infamous water-tight compartments!

I say good for the board for taking things in hand: they are paid so little, work so hard, read so many emails, and do the endlessly hard work of listening. I think this rearrangement of their use of time has been carefully worked out and is well in order.

Still, though, to continue my maritime metaphors, I think that, when it comes to their deciding what to attend to, what key District problems to take up, they are still as if riding on a little rudderless raft, tossed to and fro by emergency and exigency and the latest unexpected problem. No one has a rudder; each has a paddle but they can't organize to pull all together in one direction or another--to focus in an in-depth, thought-through, accountable way on our most pressing District issues.

For example, last month we had the suicide of our 12th teenager in 8 years, and in an interview in the Daily Post, the boy's father, searching in sorrow for explanations, mentioned as one possible factor that his son did not enjoy school. And for decades, now, we have had community concerns about how stressful and unpleasant our high-schools are.

Yet the board cannot find a way to focus consistently on this problem--at least not in the systematic, comprehensive way of the community alliance Save the 2,008--for Healthier High Schools, which makes six specific, nuts-and-bolts proposals for changing school climate though altering basic conditions, routines, and regimens.

The board could easily set a course for change, but the board seems to engage in more quibbling and quarreling, and more splashing and clashing of paddles, than in coming together as a single-minded crew, determined to solve our most dire problems.

Marc Vincenti
Chairman, Save the 2,008--for Healthier High Schools

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