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Weekend 'March on Google' canceled, organizer says

Firing of engineer spurred calls for right-wing rally at Google offices and local counter-protest event

The deadly clashes between alt-right demonstrators and counter-protesters in Charlottesville, Virginia have shaken the nation, spurring alarm and condemnation from political leaders across the spectrum. Mountain View leaders were concerned their city could be the setting for the next violent skirmish, but it looks like it won't be happening this weekend.

Conservative bloggers have apparently called off a mass rally this Saturday outside Google's North Bayshore headquarters to protest the company's recent termination of an engineer who penned a controversial memo.

Two local groups, MV Tomorrow and Mountain View Voice for Peace and Justice, announced a counter-protest planned for Saturday will go on, regardless.

The lightning rod for the protest, James Damore, circulated a memo that criticized Google's diversity efforts and claimed biological differences make women less suited to jobs in technical fields and leadership roles than men.

The memo generated a firestorm after it was circulated on social media earlier this month. Google executives, including CEO Sundar Pichai, swiftly denounced Damore's arguments. A couple of days later, Damore was fired for violating the tech giant's employee code of conduct.

Damore was quickly hailed as a free-speech hero by right-wing commentators and pundits. Jack Posobiec, a pro-Trump activist and influential blogger who promoted the fake "Pizzagate" conspiracy, last week called for protests against Damore's firing to be held on Aug. 19 outside Google's campuses across the nation.

On Wednesday, Posobiec posted an announcement that the event was being canceled, claiming threats from "alt-left terrorist groups."

Posobiec alleges that Google is a monopoly that is exploiting its power to silence dissent and subvert free speech, according to his post about the event.

In Mountain View, the "March on Google" had been scheduled from 1-3 p.m. on Saturday, Aug. 19, at 1500 Charleston Road.

The group Mountain View Voice for Peace and Justice announced they would organize a counter-protest to be held from 1-3 p.m. on Saturday, Aug. 19. This rally will be held at a different location -- the city's downtown Civic Plaza, at 500 Castro St.

A second group, MV Tomorrow, planned a similar counter-protest for Sunday morning, but they later announced they would merge their demonstration with the Saturday rally planned by Mountain View Peace and Justice.

Members of both groups say they decided against calling for a counter-protest at the same time and location out of concern it could cause a confrontation that could trigger more violence.

Lenny Siegel, Mountain View's vice mayor, said Wednesday that the counter-protest will go on as scheduled, despite the "March on Google" being postponed.

"Perhaps there will be a smaller turnout, but I think it's important for us to continue to speak out collectively and organize on many fronts," he said in an email to Mountain View Voices for Peace and Justice. "Mountain View is a community that treasures diversity and struggles to promote equality. These human rights values are essential for our democracy, our culture and our economy. Along with our neighbors, we are driving the national economy. When we stand up, it provides a beacon of hope for the nation."

Mountain View police officials and political leaders say they were taking the situation seriously. The city put out two separate statements since Monday giving assurances that officials are working to ensure the rallies remained civil and nonviolent.

"We are taking a close look at the event, especially in light of the attention it is receiving since the tragedy in Virginia last weekend," said police spokeswoman Katie Nelson in an email. "We will do everything we can to ensure that everyone not only is able to peaceably protest, but that everyone is also safe."

There had been no indication that violent groups plan to attend the protest, Nelson said.

On Wednesday, the police department confirmed that the march had been postponed, but said that officers would have a heightened presence both at Charleston Park and downtown, "out of an abundance of caution."

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33 people like this
Posted by hope for the best
a resident of Barron Park
on Aug 15, 2017 at 5:09 pm

Well I certainly support the right of all groups to have their protests as long as they are peaceful. Hopefully city officials will keep them apart or better have lots of police on hand.

I really find objectionable the notion of "counter-protestors" showing up and disrupting known protests no matter the cause. They are only there to pick a fight and that is what usually happens. This seems to be ignored today by media when casting blame on the consequences of these events.


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Posted by Online Name
a resident of Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Aug 15, 2017 at 5:16 pm

Trump certainly blamed the counter-protestors in his "press conference" today although I don't recall them running down people in a car, beating a black kid with metal poles or retweeting a cartoon from the PizzaGate conspiracy guy showing a train running over CNN.

The alt-right aka neo-Nazi's have bragged about their skill in provoking violence and confrontation. Remember that the original "anti-fa's" were know as the Resistance in World War II which killed millions of people including more than 400,000 US soldiers.

That being said, I hope a lot of women show up for the counter-protest.


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Posted by hope for the best
a resident of Barron Park
on Aug 15, 2017 at 5:26 pm

@ online name

I didn't realize we were talking about neo-Nazi's. The article says "conservative bloggers" are calling on a rally. Perhaps part of the problem today is people like you equate all conservatives as Nazi's or racists.


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Posted by Bob
a resident of Barron Park
on Aug 15, 2017 at 5:33 pm

So nice to see former KKK Grand Wizard David Duke thanking the president for his comments today (sarcasm). It's almost like the president forgot someone was killed by a domestic white terrorist.


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Posted by Bob
a resident of Barron Park
on Aug 15, 2017 at 5:36 pm

PS I will be there wearing my Kaepernick jersey!

Peace, freedom, and love for all!!!


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Posted by Curmudgeon
a resident of Downtown North
on Aug 15, 2017 at 6:03 pm

"Perhaps part of the problem today is people like you equate all conservatives as Nazi's or racists."

Quite the opposite. Contemporary Nazis and racists have stolen the Conservative brand from the real Conservatives and totally smeared it. It was not a Conservative driving that death car in Charlotte, it was a member of Donald Trump's hardcore Base.

I call on all true Conservatives to denounce these degenerates in the strongest terms they know.


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Posted by Mark Silverman
a resident of Menlo Park
on Aug 15, 2017 at 6:16 pm

As long as the protest is held on private property (e.g. Google-land) and not in the public domain (i.e. city streets, public parks) where innocent bystanders/passersby can get injured, who cares? It's Google's responsibility.

Google can afford to pay for the additional security. This trivial protest over someone's firing is their problem.


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Posted by Todd
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Aug 15, 2017 at 6:22 pm

@hope for the best

Funny how the two groups seem to overlap...


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Posted by True Conservative
a resident of Community Center
on Aug 15, 2017 at 6:25 pm

@Curmudgeon - "I call on all true Conservatives to denounce these degenerates in the strongest terms they know."

I denounce all the low life racist degenerate extremists, particularly the scum in Charlottesville. They were the ones that deserved to get run over.

Now I ask all true Liberals to denounce Antifa. They are leftist terrorists, they incite violence, they are fighting against free speech, and they a domestic terrorist organization. They don't deserve to get run over, but they don't deserve your sympathy or support.


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Posted by MV Tomorrow
a resident of Mountain View
on Aug 15, 2017 at 6:56 pm

Dear the Palo Alto Weekly Editor and fellow residents,
We moved the date to Saturday to merge efforts with the Mountain View Voices for Peace and Justice and other organizations who share the same goal to encourage both peace and protest. The event will be at the downtown Mountain View Civic Center Plaza Saturday (1-3pm).

More info on the counter-protest: Web Link


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Posted by Curmudgeon
a resident of Downtown North
on Aug 15, 2017 at 7:05 pm

"Now I ask all true Liberals to denounce Antifa."

Your logic, if any, escapes me. Why should anybody denounce those brave souls who are putting their bodies on the line resisting "the low life racist degenerate extremists" you just denounced above? Huh?

In the '20s and early '30s, would you have advocated denouncing the heros in Weimar Germany who resisted the low life racist degenerate Nazi extremists?

Why?


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Midtown
on Aug 15, 2017 at 8:00 pm

[Portion removed.]

There's a lot of well-meaning liberals who join the counter protests and they are lumped in with ANTIFA in the same way anyone who supports Trump is lumped in with "Nazis".

By the way, I'd love to protest against Google but I have better things to do and yes, I am intimidated by the scary violent extreme Leftists so I commend them in their "success" in scaring away all opposition and crushing any challenge to their street-rule and Soviet-flag waving. So much for March against Google when these animals show up. Why bother?

The mainstream media doesn't report on ANTIFA at all and they are doing the nation a major disservice. Instead they obsess, day in and day out, over "Trump said Trump said Trump said lets sabotage the POTUS and who cares if our country sinks and there's no more USA, at least we were morally superior and we can ride away in our limousines".

Anyways, aren't we tired of endless marches and protests? Don't people go to work anymore?


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Posted by resident
a resident of Charleston Meadows
on Aug 15, 2017 at 8:08 pm

We all have already been here with the riots at Berkley. The police stood down - as they did in Charlottesville. The Governor of the state and the mayor of the city are there to insure the safety of the citizens. That did not happen. They knew there would be trouble - the students were told to stay away and the local hospital was told not to schedule any operations for that day so they could react to whatever happens.

For our next California events I'm expecting the Governor, Lt. Governor - if he wants to be elected governor - Attorney General - who wants to be elected as such - all appear at these next rallies and be responsible for the events.
Also the head of UC for events on her campus. What I did learn is that in California protestors are legally required to keep their faces uncovered. If the ninja's appear with their faces covered then they can be turned away by the police and told if they appear then uncover their faces.

What is really disturbing is the destruction of property and knocking down of statues- those are property of the state.


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Posted by hope for the best
a resident of Barron Park
on Aug 15, 2017 at 8:12 pm

Funny i look back at my original post "hope for the best" which i intended to defend the right of free speech and civility in our debates. Quickly the vitriol came out.

Both sides are too blame. All of you ask yourselves what't going on in this country when we can't have civil discourse and PAAAALEESE don't blame Trump for all of this. Look yourself in the mirror.

Personally I think it's partially the result of technology. It allows us to easily find like-minded thinkers reinforcing our views. And also allows us to lob bombs at each other via the internet. Would we say the same things face to face?? I doubt it.


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Posted by Call-A-Spade-A-Spade
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Aug 15, 2017 at 8:14 pm

> In the '20s and early '30s, would you have advocated denouncing
> the heros in Weimar Germany who resisted the low life racist
> degenerate Nazi extremists?

An interesting question. Of course, given that the Communists have ended up killing over 100M people in the last hundred years--they ended being a lot worse in the cost of human life than the Nazis.

As to today's Antifa--they are nothing like those of the 1930s. Following article helps to fill in the gaps for those who don't believe they exist, or what they are about--

Web Link


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Posted by Online Name
a resident of Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Aug 15, 2017 at 8:54 pm

1) Mountain View vice mayor Lenny Siegel is supportive of the counter-protest.

2) The fired Google engineer has disavowed his support of the alt-right folks who've used his firing as a flashpoint for their protests which usually have a misogynist bent.

3) Also, a lot other articles have described the anti-Google organizer as a known alt-right conspiracy hack as per the Merc:

"The primary organizer of the “March on Google” is Jack Posobiec, a far-right luminary known for peddling conspiracy theories. But the protest, with similar actions planned at eight other Google offices nationwide, is not an alt-right event, Posobiec said."

Web Link

As per Siegel:

“We saw over the weekend that a lot of people … are looking for ways to respond to what happened in Charlottesville, and the prospect of a right-wing extremist group coming to Mountain View to carry out a protest really upset a lot of people,” said organizer Lenny Siegel, the city’s vice-mayor, adding that this counterprotest is not an official city event.

4) Look for all the folks wearing pink hats.


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Posted by Curmudgeon
a resident of Downtown North
on Aug 15, 2017 at 9:00 pm

"The counter-protesters: which are indeed, ANTIFA, every single time, show up to be intentionally violent and do things like burning American flags (...why?)"

Burning flags? Is that why our brave new Nazis run down people with their cars? They don't dare face the Antifas--they might hit back, you know--so they attack women from inside heavy machinery.


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Posted by Curmudgeon
a resident of Downtown North
on Aug 15, 2017 at 9:56 pm

"Of course, given that the Communists have ended up killing over 100M people in the last hundred years--they ended being a lot worse in the cost of human life than the Nazis."

So we give the Nazis a pass because they presumably came up short?

How about on this round?


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Posted by OPar
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Aug 15, 2017 at 10:44 pm

So, the Trump supporters here don't want to acknowledge that their guy is a bigot who cannot denounce white supremacists even when one intentionally mows down people in the street.

Instead, they bring up the spectre of "antifa". Heather Heyer was simply waiting to march. She didn't provoke anyone nor did the people she was with. And you know she wasn't because, God knows, you'd latch on to some phony accusation if you could.

But Trump can't say her name and those of you who defend him won't acknowledge that an innocent woman was murdered because some idiots were upset about a statue of a traitor being removed. There was no justification for that. There was no violent left attacking those tiki-torch wielders.

Shame on you--you can't even admit what you're defending--moral cowardice at its most craven.


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Midtown
on Aug 16, 2017 at 4:22 am

OPar just got done with a marathon 5 hour CNN-watching session.

Blaming President Trump for Heather's death is ridiculous and the typical emotional manipulation you people tend to use when you can't add anything new to the conversation.

Shame on you for using her tragic death as a means for political debate.


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Posted by resident
a resident of Charleston Meadows
on Aug 16, 2017 at 5:50 am

The press is not helping here. Look at the title of this stream - "Dueling". The press is hand in glove with stirring the pot on a continual basis. And who owns your favorite newspaper? How did the word Nazi come into this whole generation of people? They were not even there for that whole political human tragedy. The BLM people in Charlottesville stated that was their city and they did not want the event to even be there. How does one group think they own a city? That gets everyone's fur to fly. And Lenny is an old aging protestor from the 60's. We need the county and mayor to step up to this situation. If the city is providing the permits for the groups then the "city" is responsible. The "city" who provides the permits better step up and get their act together. Take some responsibility for what is coming down. And if the police stand back and do nothing then shame on them. Take names and put the people in jail who cause destruction of property.


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Posted by ALT REICH
a resident of Mountain View
on Aug 16, 2017 at 10:07 am

Women's rights groups were responding in large numbers and ALT REICHers figured out beating up white women on live TV is really bad PR. This is hugely different from beating up black men like they do on the east coast.


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Posted by Call-A-Spade-A-Spade
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Aug 16, 2017 at 10:45 am

> So we give the Nazis a pass because they presumably came up short?

Have to ask the question: Are the people claiming to be "NAZIs" in the US in 2017 the same people (in theory, and purpose) as those who rose to power in Germany in the 1930s?

The word NAZI is the acronym for: National Socialism (Nationalsozialismus). The key word here is "socialism". There is no evidence that the people flying the abhorrent flag are "socialists", or advocate "socialism".

The following is a link to the Wiki page on the American NAZI Party:
Web Link

It's pretty clear that there are very few people in the US who see these people as "desirable", but we are left with the core problem of letting these people go about promoting their ideas to a disinterested populace, or outlawing them and driving them underground.

At one point, we did outlaw the Communist Party here in the US, but it still continues today. For some reason, the NAZI Party has not similarly been outlawed.

Which leaves us with the question: What do these people, claiming to be NAZIs, really stand for? What do they think that they can achieve with such small numbers? As long as they are not insurrectionist, like the Shining Path, and follow the law when they do congregate in public--are we really giving them a "pass"? If they turn violent, as the Antifa does so often, then that would be another question.

Which, of course begs the question--why should the Antifa be given a "pass"?



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Posted by CrescentParkAnon.
a resident of Crescent Park
on Aug 16, 2017 at 10:47 am

The US and the civilized world fought the Nazi's almost 80 years ago
in a plane that was still more of less pristine with weapons that were
close to nothing compared to todays bombs and munitions. We cannot
as a planet to though more war, dealt and waste.

Let's not fight this war again, or periodically. These people are a
danger to the planet, and this is not about free speech, this is about
a group of people with beliefs that have taken over countries from
democratic governments and plunged them and the world into misery,
war, death, hate and ugliness every time they take power. NO WAY!

These are ignorant people who are barely human, and making a big
deal about America's freedom of speech, compared to what happened
in Germany where they outlawed the Nazi movement and displays of
the Nazis.

It is clear America is a young and dumb nation that is behaving so
irresponsibly and erratically that we are now causing huge stress to
a lot of Americans regarding whether we are going to allow ourselves to
lose the great nation we have built over a group of idiots who do not
know right from wrong or the basic tenets of civilization.

Whatever it takes, the Alt-Right movement must be destroyed. We
already know it is wrong and the damage this kind of thinking can do.
Let's not let it happen again in the cause of stupid and violent people
who cannot find a way to exist cooperatively in modernity without
threatening others.


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Posted by CrescentParkAnon.
a resident of Crescent Park
on Aug 16, 2017 at 10:48 am

>> The US and the civilized world fought the Nazi's almost 80 years ago
in a plane that was still more of less pristine

The US and the civilized world fought the Nazi's almost 80 years ago
in a PLANET that was still more OR less pristine

sorry, typos


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Posted by 38 year resident
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Aug 16, 2017 at 10:50 am

@ True Conservative....I hope you're not holding your breath. Liberals won't denounce Antifa, as was so quickly demonstrated by Curmudgeon.


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Posted by Mark Silverman
a resident of Menlo Park
on Aug 16, 2017 at 10:54 am

In the interests of maintaining an open mind'...President Trump brought up a good point. If pulling down statues of Civil War Generals by the 'alt-left' is morally justifiable, shouldn't statues of George Washington be included as well? After all, George Washington and Thomas Jefferson (amongst other founding fathers and former presidents) were slave owners as well.

Where does it all end? Maybe no more statues of anyone is the best bet.


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Posted by CrescentParkAnon.
a resident of Crescent Park
on Aug 16, 2017 at 11:06 am

Antifa is not the problem. They have no power, only the power to disrupt and bother people.
There is no Antifa spokeperson or proponent in the White House for example, compared to
Steve Bannon, or others in the Trump White House. Antifa, whatever it is and whoever
conceived and organized probably would not even exist if not for the long history of Alt-
right-like groups and actions in the US since the Civil War.

Did President Barack Obama ever ignore or equate Antifa, if that is even a group? Do they
have a website? An address? Are they funded by and managed by powerful political
interests? The answer to that is no.

There is no more need for Liberals to denounce Antifa than there is for Blacks to denounce
the SLA ... it is self-evident. What is no self-evident is whether the right-wing in this
country can survive without dangling hope of a Fourth Reich to certain members of its
constituency, and if they can ... why is it seemingly impossible for Trump to condemn
the Alt-Right?

The answer is that that the Right-Wing in America is no longer just about business and
limited government - it is about mobilizing marginal nuts to cause social and political
problems to prevent justice and social progress, which they have been brainwashed into
thinking is some kind of communist conspiracy against the White Race?

If the elite power structure of the United States cannot exist without turning our country
into a propaganda driven racist empire, then maybe it does not deserve to exist, and
maybe all the money and technology that has been rolled out for this effort should be
made illegal and we should start to fight what could very well explode in our faces like
the Nazis exploded on the World stage 80 years ago.

I hope we can learn the lesson that civilization is not so deeply taken hold in the human
being that we can afford to take it for granted. There are times when an idea that is
being falsely promoted needs to be squelched, and the Alt-Right fits the criteria.


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Posted by CrescentParkAnon.
a resident of Crescent Park
on Aug 16, 2017 at 11:10 am

Mark Silverman ....

--- brought up a good point. If pulling down statues of Civil War Generals by the 'alt-left' is morally justifiable, shouldn't statues of George Washington be included as well?

You really think that is a "good point" ?? Explain please.

To me that sentence is just more proof that our President is a complete idiot, and even worse of an idiot because it is idiotic enough to believe this, but it is another level of idiocy to say it, and a level of "almost" criminality to boost the moral of the Alt-Right by including this kind of statement. That proves that idiots are dangerous.


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Posted by Confederate traitors
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Aug 16, 2017 at 11:11 am

Mark-- the confederates were traitors and committed treason. Washington and Jefferson did not. We do not have statues honoring Benedict Arnold. These statues honoring dishonorable men were put in place to send a message that even though the traitors lost the war, their claims of white supremacy will still live on.


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Posted by Todd
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Aug 16, 2017 at 11:11 am

"President Trump brought up a good point."

In reference to bringing down statues that was why the white supremacists were protesting in the first place... I assume the narrative/talking point now can become "I'm not a Nazi myself but they do bring up some valid concerns..."


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Posted by Mark Silverman
a resident of Menlo Park
on Aug 16, 2017 at 11:32 am

You really think that is a "good point" ?? Explain please.
@CrescentParkAnon.

You can't have it both ways. Unless you subscribe to hypocrisy.

Mark-- the confederates were traitors and committed treason. Washington and
Jefferson did not.
@Confederatetraitors

The British and Tories at the time may have begged to differ.

The bottom line...whoever wins the war gets to write the history. Embellishments and all.


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Posted by Anon
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Aug 16, 2017 at 11:55 am

There is no organized alt-left or antifa. This is a myth. These are made up terms by the organized and very real alt-right that is organized with its various media/online tools and leaders. They use these terms to smear the many individuals and groups (churches, immigrant, peace, heather heyer, lgbtq, etc) in opposition to their viriulent views.

There are a small number of opposition individuals willing to fight the fascists and anti Semites physically but they are a vast minority and can hardly be honestly representative of the opposition. These macho brawlers only fuel the fascists and should stop.

We must show and oppose publically but safely as Mt View has planned - far from the site of alt right protests so as not to further incite them or fuel them and for safety. But everyone must show up now and speak out now publically if this tide is to turn. Our politicians must get the message.

And at every turn all must be sued that are responsible for any harm as was done to the KKK in CA years ago - it ended the organization here.


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Posted by Curmudgeon
a resident of Downtown North
on Aug 16, 2017 at 1:07 pm

"Are the people claiming to be "NAZIs" in the US in 2017 the same people (in theory, and purpose) as those who rose to power in Germany in the 1930s?"

Externally they are indistinguishable, right down to their core anti-semitism. Notable difference: Hitler's NSDAP were not whining snowflakes.


"Which, of course begs the question--why should the Antifa be given a "pass"?"

Antifa (anti-fascist) deserves the Medal of Freedom. They are challenging paradefuls of assault rifle-armed thugs, doing for us what needed to be done for Germany 1921-1933.


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Posted by Call-A-Spade-A-Spade
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Aug 16, 2017 at 1:15 pm

BTW--the New Jersey Department of Homeland Security has added Antifa to their list of terrorist organizations:

Web Link

Maybe some might declare Antifa worthy of "medals"--but it's clear that people responsible for public safety do not see these thugs in the same light.

The Chicago police are fighting and arresting these goons, not hugging them:

Web Link


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Posted by Curmudgeon
a resident of Downtown North
on Aug 16, 2017 at 1:38 pm

Well, I see the alt-right just snowflaked out of their March on Google Web Link. They just don't make 'em like they used to.


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Posted by MyOpinion
a resident of another community
on Aug 16, 2017 at 2:21 pm

Regarding Google event - I suppose the Alt-Right figured they would be outnumbered so called it off, but this is happening because of Trump, he is unfit to be POTUS: Morally, Ethically and Intellectually. He has proven that time and time again. He clearly has no understanding of why these confederate monuments are coming down (most put up during Jim Crow and Civil Rights periods). His comments have enabled the racists (Neo Nazis, KKK, Skinheads or whatever you want to call them; all of the same ilk). ALL media should make a pact not to the racists one second of air time, that would help take the wind out of their sails. So sick of this. And as far as free speech goes, we need to follow Germany's lead and make Nazi Emblems ILLEGAL, these symbols of hate have no place in the USA, at minimum it dishonors the many thousands who served in WWII.


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Posted by resident
a resident of Charleston Meadows
on Aug 16, 2017 at 3:30 pm

There is more "hate speech" here against Trump than a person can imagine. Look at Trumps bio in Wikipedia. His father came to America during the Franco Prussian War in 1871. That is when France attacked Germany to get possession of Alsace Lorraine, major city Strasbourg - a major cultural and financial center. That area transitioned between France and Germany during WW1 and WW2. One of the components was the anti-Jew element. Many people migrated at this time due to the combination of political elements in this area. Trump knows very well the major political and historical elements that have driven migration to this country and upheaval in Europe. My mother's father also migrated at this time in a large family group that did very well in America, including owner ship of the Washington Post. But that is not the force that is driving the current problem in the south. That was driven by the Civil War concerning the secession of the southern states. The southern states had, and have a agricultural impact of value in cotton, tobacco, rice, etc. Those were major exports to Europe. A lot was invested in the economy of the region. Slavery was not the main topic of the civil war. And the slaves came from the colonies of European countries who also used the slaves to reap the resources out of the countries. The economy of the world at the time of the Civil War was consistent with the rest of the European countries in their colonization efforts around the world. To make this an American problem does not make sense, and to make it a Trump problem does not make sense. It was an economic process that corrected itself to a point. However if you look at California and Oregon's agricultural situation you have the same problem - a requirement for people to work the fields. It would be nice if people would step back here and put this in historical sequence of time and then project forward to where we are today. The industrial revolution and major industrialization relative to WW1 and WW2 brought the black population into the middle class. But putting the manufacturing down in Mexico has cut off many of the available jobs and set back the middle class on all fronts so you now have bunch of angry people with no where to go. A bunch of people looking for a fall guy for many events going way back in time.


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Posted by resident
a resident of College Terrace
on Aug 16, 2017 at 3:30 pm

I am very disturbed by some of the comments defending the rights of neo-nazi groups. If antfifa isnt was well organized as the they should be.


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Midtown
on Aug 16, 2017 at 3:56 pm

I hate to play this card but as a grandson of Jewish Holocaust survivors, I see the deranged Left as having much more in common with 1930s National Socialiat propaganda, censorship, thought control, hateful fervor and social single-mindedness than a fringe group of White Nationalists that received an outsized spotlight by the mainstream media whose goal it is to simply make Trump look bad. The neo-Nazis have been around for a long time and now you're making them famous. Good work. Stop the self-sabotage. Stop watching CNN.


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Posted by @Resident
a resident of another community
on Aug 16, 2017 at 4:41 pm

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Posted by paloaltan
a resident of College Terrace
on Aug 16, 2017 at 5:32 pm

paloaltan is a registered user.

Reident, when people didn't resist your grandparents went to concentration camps. Care for the repeat? I am not.


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Posted by Curmudgeon
a resident of Downtown North
on Aug 16, 2017 at 5:35 pm

Curmudgeon is a registered user.

"... this is happening because of Trump, he is unfit to be POTUS: Morally, Ethically and Intellectually."

Like all patriots I totally concur with everything in that sentence beyond the comma.

However, we cannot blame Trump. He was elected POTUS per the rules.

The blame is with those who voted for Trump and, before that, with the cynical Republican Party leadership that created and nurtured Republican Base of degenerates that Trump stole from them ready made. Nobody is more dismayed by this larceny of serially exploitable serfs than McConnell, Bush, Bush, Bush, Ryan, Cruz, "Little Marco," Priebus, Romney, McCain, Christie, Walker, Palin, ... . They now control neither their Base nor its Feckless Leader. Nice going, gang.

The once-Party of Reagan is now the Party of Trump. Full stop. Like the former NSDAP, it is completely in thrall to an ever more demented capo, and it will collapse when the capo implodes.


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Posted by MyOpinion
a resident of Community Center
on Aug 16, 2017 at 6:07 pm

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@resident thanks for the history lesson, one thing you negected to mention when sharing info on the Trumps was this...... from Web Link


“Major Landlord Accused of Antiblack Bias in City,” the headline stated. The Department of Justice had brought suit in federal court in Brooklyn against Mr. Trump and his father, Fred C. Trump, charging them with violating the Fair Housing Act of 1968 in the operation of 39 buildings.

“The government contended that Trump Management had refused to rent or negotiate rentals ‘because of race and color,’ ” The Times reported. “It also charged that the company had required different rental terms and conditions because of race and that it had misrepresented to blacks that apartments were not available.”

So are


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Posted by Curmudgeon
a resident of Downtown North
on Aug 16, 2017 at 6:55 pm

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Hang on, Kiddies, it's about to get verrry interesting.

In a very recent interview, Christopher Cantwell, co-organizer of Saturday's Charlottesville rally, has some reservationa about DJT's alt-right creds Web Link. He's very upset about who Ivanka Trump married, and us considering seeking a new hero "who does not give his daughter to a Jew." There's much more at the link above.

When Cantwell learns that Ms. Kushner converted to her husband's religion, the bromance is history.


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Posted by MyOpinion
a resident of Community Center
on Aug 16, 2017 at 7:14 pm

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@Curmudgeon, yes I saw Cantwell's despicable remarks regarding "Javanka". Would love to be a fly on the wall at a Trump family dinner. Trump is the enabler, he got Cantwell, Duke and the other morons worked up, so now he has to explain himself to Javanka (aka his 'senior advisors'). I also find it truly ridiculous that all of these talking heads (politicians) are on TV (or tweeting) that Nazis are bad...really? Tell us something we didn't know! Yet none will denounce Trump by name, when he is the reason they have to say it in the first place!! It's like an episode of VEEP!


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Posted by Curmudgeon
a resident of Downtown North
on Aug 16, 2017 at 8:32 pm

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"...all of these talking heads (politicians) are on TV (or tweeting) that Nazis are bad...really?"

It may be needed education. Listening around I suspect that lots of people trash talk the Nazis as though they were merely the opposing team the US beat in some big game called World War II.


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Posted by MyOpinion
a resident of Community Center
on Aug 16, 2017 at 8:39 pm

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@curmudgeon...and your point is?


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Posted by MyOpinion
a resident of Community Center
on Aug 16, 2017 at 8:42 pm

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Also WWII was no game.


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Posted by Curmudgeon
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on Aug 16, 2017 at 9:56 pm

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"@curmudgeon...and your point is?"

Rampant historical illiteracy--the context for the needed education.

"Also WWII was no game."

See above comment.


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Posted by MyOpinion
a resident of Community Center
on Aug 16, 2017 at 10:09 pm

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@Curmudgeon....example of rampant historical illiteracy?

Cryptic comments not helpful. If you care to elaborate that's fine, if not don't bother.


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Posted by Curmudgeon
a resident of Downtown North
on Aug 16, 2017 at 10:39 pm

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"@Curmudgeon....example of rampant historical illiteracy?"

You got one 5 posts up. If you can't get it from the subsequent hints never mind. I'm not writing dissertations explaining the obvious tonight.


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Posted by Curmudgeon
a resident of Downtown North
on Aug 16, 2017 at 10:56 pm

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At Charlottesville, Trump had to choose between America and his Base. He chose his Base Web Link."


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