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Let's talk about John McCain

Original post made by Mavs man, Old Palo Alto, on Oct 7, 2008

Topic of discussion in this thread shall not be Barack Obama (let's make that the last time his name is mentioned). Let's instead talk about John McCain, specifically the Rolling Stone piece on him:

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Posted by Wow
a resident of Professorville
on Oct 7, 2008 at 6:24 am

I saw that article yesterday. It's amazing how little of this people actually know. How much of John McCain is this constructed persona. He's got a serious problem with reality, with truth, and with things not going his way. The exchange with Cornyn was remarkable. Someone so impulsive, so hotheaded, and so adept at lying in this fashion would be dangerous in the White House.
Thanks for posting!


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Posted by Reminds me of Bush
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Oct 7, 2008 at 6:57 am

McCain reminds me of G.W. Bush. Push your family connections to advance and spends your time carousing and screwing up. Then makeup myths about yourself to get into politics. Then pretend to be the everyman when in fact you're a spoiled brat of privilege and wealth. G.W. used Saudi money. McCain has used Cindy's beer money.



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Posted by PJ
a resident of Midtown
on Oct 7, 2008 at 6:57 am

I can't vote for John McCain he's too old. He's older than me!!!


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Posted by mary s
a resident of Jordan Middle School
on Oct 7, 2008 at 7:13 am



Who reads rolling stone? it is the national inquirer for aging hippies.

When it is not grovelling over geriatric pop stars it is grovelling over obama.

Rolling stone belongs with High Times, Playboy and Penthouse, in the trash from the 60s generation


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Posted by Paul
a resident of Downtown North
on Oct 7, 2008 at 12:18 pm

McCain 2008 reminds me of Goldwater 1964 - the more one hears from him the less one wants to hear any more from him. The main difference is that Goldwater was fundamentally a decent man with principles.

And then there's the real circus in the center ring featuring the lipsticked Hockey Mom from Alaska.



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Posted by Jerry Attrick
a resident of Downtown North
on Oct 7, 2008 at 12:43 pm

Why knock Rolling Stone? I've never read it, but I read the article online. If you can rebut the information provided in the article, I'm waiting to hear, but don't shoot the messenger.


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Posted by Raymond R. White
a resident of Adobe-Meadows
on Oct 7, 2008 at 1:10 pm

When McCain/Palin discuss issues there are no soundbites of interest to the media, so there is air time given only to Obama/
Biden. Only the least supportable statements about Obama will find air, and they will be immediately followed by whatever refutation the Obama campaign supplies. The negativity of the campaign is substantially due to the behavior of our media.


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Posted by Alice Smith
a resident of Green Acres
on Oct 7, 2008 at 1:32 pm

My fears re McCain are
(a) his temper: apparently he has little self-control
(b) his mental health: 6 years in mostly solitary confinement must have its damaging impact
(c) his physical health: melanoma is as bad as it gets and he has had 3 bouts already. A timebomb clicking away
(d) his recklessness: he has crashed more than one plane, one of which resulted in 130+ sailors dying.
(e) addiction: by his own admission he is a gambler and his father by some accounts an alcoholic.
(f) his ethics: Keating is the top of the Iceberg. How many lobbyists does he have.
(g) his judgment: Ms Palin for Vice President?

I would go on but I think others can build on this list.


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Posted by OhlonePar
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Oct 7, 2008 at 2:04 pm

The guy's a 72-year-old spoiled brat with an astonishing sense of entitlement. No wonder he's furious with that upstart Obama.

I did end up with a tad more respect for Nancy Reagan for sticking up for McCain's first wife. I also feel sorry for Cindy McCain--though you've got to be prepared for bad behavior from a guy who cheated so massively on his first wife.


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Posted by Mary
a resident of Gunn High School
on Oct 7, 2008 at 2:15 pm

My fears re Obama are

(a) his allies, terrorist, racists,mobsters: apparently he has little self-control re his smoking

(b) his mental health: being abandoned by his father and mother by the aged of 10yrs must have a damaging effect

(c) his physical health: He has smoked heavily for 30 yrs, his mother died of cancer at 51 yrs. A timebomb clicking away

(d) his recklessness: His use of crack and other drugs, taking his young children to listen to a racist American hating minister.

(e) addiction: by his own admission he is a ex hard drug user and still a heavy smoker and his father was a chronic alcoholic and wife beater and bigamistbbb who had multiple DUIs, the last of which killed him in his early 40s.

(f) his ethics: A shake down artist for ACORN, taking money from a mobster real estate developer is the top of the Iceberg. How many lobbyists does he have.

(g) his judgment: Biden for Vice President? working with a unrepentant domestic terrorist, having a racist anti American minister and guru for 20 yrs.


I would go on but I think others can build on this list.


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Posted by The Real Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on Oct 7, 2008 at 2:23 pm

Mary, Mary--you are almost as hysterical as Sharon. You are confusing FACTS about McCain, with rumors, unsubstantiated claims and plain old lies about Obama.
Just because Sarah Palin is traveling around the country spreading vile lies around does not make them true--even if she does have lipstick smeared all over her face.
Anyway, I am sure if you look at McCain and Palin you will find that they have hobnobbed with people of questionable character as well (i.e. Hagee, separatists). Not to mention their association with the NRA, which called the some of the victims of the Oklahoma City bombings jackbooted thugs--seems that they supported an act of domestic terrorism and they are now big supporters of mcCain/Palin


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Posted by Walter_E_Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on Oct 7, 2008 at 3:24 pm

Walter_E_Wallis is a registered user.

All cat fights should be in a vat of Jello with whipped cream.
There are hundreds of people I would have preferred to before McCain in that slot, but there are billions I would prefer before Obama. It is time to bring back the smoke filled room.


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Posted by pam
a resident of Charleston Gardens
on Oct 8, 2008 at 12:14 am

walter is right...two goofballs...mr/ "different" and mr "patriot"....boring...same old crap...


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Posted by OhlonePar
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Oct 8, 2008 at 1:29 am

Mary,

You're off-topic. You want to bitch about Obama, do it in another thread. The original poster specifically asked for no Obama posts.

It would help if you got off McCain talking points--we all know they are.

The Rolling Stone article is interesting. I recommend reading it.

I'm currently reading a July 21st New Yorker article on Obama's political rise in Chicago, also interesting, but that's for another thread.


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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on Oct 8, 2008 at 6:39 am



One of the reasons I'm not convinced it is useful to make a prediction about who will be elected the next President is that in the current circumstances, a month is an eon and January, 2009 is an eternity away.
As the world's political and market systems digest information they will react, but they may react in surprising ways.
It's possible that both McCain and Obama will find their positions overtaken by events.
Universal health care, open borders, reparations, carbon trading, global warming, tax cuts, youth corps.
Maybe that made sense in some universe, but does that universe still exist?
The EU may be falling apart in front of our eyes.
Of course, thing could suddenly normalize tomorrow, but even so, things have changed and I think neither candidate has a clue what the landscape really looks like now.

A lot of conservatives are depressed over McCain's apparent inability to overtake Obama.
I'm not sure that's as important as it once seemed.
Maybe the real play belongs to whoever can get out front and start up a movement for real reform.
Obama is trying to use the panic to propel him into the White House. But when the markets internalize what an Obama Presidency really means a shiver will run through the already nervous system.
Because really, nobody knows for sure who he is.
He fixed it that way but now it may blow back on him.
One of the problems of being ambiguous is that it increases the uncertainty in an already uncertain system.
I think even Liberals are starting to feel nervous because deep down they understand they don't know this man.
Maybe it won't matter if events are beyond short term control.
But it can't make people very secure to know that the Joker's wild.


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Posted by Same old politics
a resident of College Terrace
on Oct 8, 2008 at 7:23 am

"Obama is trying to use the panic to propel him into the White House."

And McCain isn't doing the same thing? First with national security, now with the economy?

In terms of "strategies and tactics", both candidates are doing the same thing most, if not all, politicians have been doing for years.


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Posted by #$%^ Repubs!
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Oct 8, 2008 at 3:20 pm

Thanks for sticking to the topic there, Repubs.
I guess this is what we have to look forward to after Obama wins - 4 more years of Neanderthal Repubs (lead by blowhard Limbaugh) who will be more than willing to take this country down the rat hole just so that they can win in 2012.
And then we wonder why China is in our rear view mirror, about to pass us - thanks, you morons.


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Posted by OhlonePar
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Oct 9, 2008 at 1:15 am

Sharon,

You're off-topic. The original poster specifically asked that this thread not be about Obama.

Why can't you control your ranting?


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Posted by Bye, Bye McSame
a resident of Crescent Park
on Oct 9, 2008 at 10:36 am

McCain = Loser

Rasmussen: 300 Obama, 174 McCain
Electoral-Vote: 349 Obama, 174 McCain
538: 346 Obama, 191 McCain
CNN: 264 Obama, 174 McCain


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Posted by OhlonePar
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Oct 9, 2008 at 11:25 am

Bye-Bye McSame,

I find it interesting in a wonkish sort of way to go to electoral-vote.com and flick the switch to see where the race was four years ago. As of yesterday, Kerry was winning by ten votes, which, of course, didn't happen. Nate Silver at 538.com has projected the race will tighten up, which it is doing in a couple of polls--though not Gallup, interestingly.

But, anyway, Barack's electoral lead far eclipses either Kerry or Bush's at similar points. It sounds like there'd have to be a dramatic event at this point to switch things around--though I'm not sure even another terrorist attack would do what the collapse of the market is doing.

If I were McCain, I'd be relieved to be losing. The current job of president requires a younger, more energetic man. I also just think McCain's a lot more comfortable in the Senate. I think the relatively convivial and social atmosphere of the Senate suits hin in a way that it doesn't suit Obama. I think McCain isn't a natural leader, the sort of alpha dog, that Obama is. (Pre-emptive note for the usual rants--Obama's behind the strategy of Obama's campaign. He also knows how to make people want to work for him.)


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Posted by McCain the Mav
a resident of Evergreen Park
on Apr 14, 2013 at 11:11 am

Too bad the Maverick has become such a a bitter old man.Wonder if Romney will be the same?

This was quite prophetic: "I guess this is what we have to look forward to after Obama wins - 4 more years of Neanderthal Repubs (lead by blowhard Limbaugh) who will be more than willing to take this country down the rat hole just so that they can win in 2012."

Quite the call, before anyone even thought of McConnell saying that was his number one goal after Obama won.


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