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Original post made by Paul Losch, Community Center, on Apr 16, 2013

I was a student in Cambridge, MA in the winter of 1978. Eastern Massachusetts had a huricane level snow storm that shut down the City of Boston and the surrounding environs for a week.

Since there were no classes, a few buddies and I got on the MASS Pike west, and skiied in Vermont as things cleared up.

When we got back, the area was still closed, and what I remember are police and national guards carrying rifles in their trucks, dressed in fatigues. Scared the hell out of me. It was a snowstorm, not Marshall Law.

I do not diminish how awful what transpired in Boston on April 15 is. Some photos I saw Tuesday morning had sworn officers with rifles and high powered weapons walking around the crime scene in Back Bay. It reminded me of my 1978 experience, and I express my reservations that such a display of force is called for. Especially in an area that rightly is sealed off.

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Posted by Fred R
a resident of The Greenhouse
on Apr 16, 2013 at 10:44 am

Martial law, not marshal. Marshals belongs to the film that go-eth: "The new Marshal is [near]" (who didn't love Cleavon Little!?!) Marshall Law is also Sam's overhyped and undertalented local band.

On a more sober note, a quote from one of the truly, genuinely great Americans:
"When I was a boy and I would see scary things in the news, my mother would say to me, 'Look for the helpers. You will always find people who are helping.' To this day, especially in times of 'disaster,' I remember my mother's words, and I am always comforted by realizing that there are still so many helpers - so many caring people in this world."

Mister Rogers


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Posted by Paul Losch
a resident of Community Center
on Apr 16, 2013 at 11:20 am

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Correction noted about Martial -vs- Marshall. I may be dating myself, but I remember watching "Gunsmoke" with Jim Arness as Marshall Dillon.

Still this post is about a truly sad event, not my TV watching practices as a kid or how well I did in spelling bees.


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Posted by Joe
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Apr 16, 2013 at 11:21 am

> It reminded me of my 1978 experience, and I express my reservations
> that such a display of force is called

Paul Losch seems to have learned nothing from the last fifty years of asymmetric warfare that has brought us urban terrorism.

While the US has been fairly fortunate in terms of domestic terror attacks—there is no reason to believe that that luck will hold. What if a larger attack had been planned, and executed. Suppose that there were snipers on the roofs of several buildings surrounding the bomb site? Security personnel would not have been useless with their radios and batons and no high-powered weapons with which to respond.

There is also the problem of looting, and souvenir hunting—that runs the risk of having valuable evidence disappear.

People understand that someone in a military outfit and a weapon mean business. For the immediate future—the authorities in Boston had better mean business, in order to figure who did this horrific act.


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Posted by Joe
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Apr 16, 2013 at 11:32 am

Should have been:

Security personnel would have been useless


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Posted by Paul Losch
a resident of Community Center
on Apr 16, 2013 at 4:22 pm

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Joe,

Thanks for your observations.

I lived in NYC during the 1987 blackout. Huge looting, major damage to people running storefront stores.

Conspriancy? No. Just a bunch of thugs who took advantage of unfortunate circumstances.

None of us knows at this point just what the whole Boston incident is about.

My thinking is that this more of a Tim McVeigh style incident. Someone or maybe a couple of folks with an axe to grind and a perverse way of carrying out grunges.

Well ordered conspirators with guns on rooftops is a stretch. Certainly legions of police officers patrolling a cordoned off area don't need to march around with high powered weapons. They could go to their vehicles and take such weapons out if necessary. Marching around the sidewalks of Boston in what right now is an off limits area treats it like a war scene, not a crime scene.


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Posted by Fred R
a resident of The Greenhouse
on Apr 16, 2013 at 4:40 pm

Paul: imho, you forgot one key description of the perpetrators:

Cowards.

Complete cowards, who mistakenly think they're tough, too afraid to stand up for their cowardly actions.

Child killing cowards.

ie.. scum.


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Posted by Brit
a resident of Palo Verde
on Apr 16, 2013 at 5:04 pm

Can't help being reminded of the IRA attacks on Britain back in the 70s/80s. There are many similarities.Some of the similarities are the way ordinary people helped ordinary people. All of us have the power to help. Ordinary people can become extraordinary people. There were many heroes yesterday in Boston.

Since we have no idea who may be behind this, it could be anyone, from anywhere.

My sympathies to everyone affected and to us all.


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Posted by Joe
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Apr 16, 2013 at 5:27 pm

> Well ordered conspirators with guns on rooftops is a stretch.

Same comment as above—Paul Losch has learned nothing from the terrorism that has wrought havoc on the world during the past 50 years.

Mr. Losch, if someone suggested that well-order conspirators would commandeer four airlines, and fly them the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center, the pentagon, and the US Capitol—what would you say about that?

We don't know who perpetrated this atrocity, rather than a tragedy—but there are some possible links to Al Qaeda--

Web Link
Web Link

It would very likely be a suicide mission for any group of terrorists to bomb an event like this one, and then hang about to take on the local security people in a firefight. But certainly that is exactly how the insurgents in Iraq carried on their attacks on our forces for several years. Do you really believe that it is impossible that some of these folks might not decide to go on another suicide mission and try to kill as many Americans as they can at a highly publicized event, such as the Boston Marathon?

There is no reason for us to speculate at this time who did this—we'll let the FBI, and the local police, do their jobs. But given that there still have been no arrests by the Obama Administration in the Benghazi attacks—it might not be a surprise to find out that the trail runs cold and no one is brought to justice. People planning these sorts of operations always make mistakes. Hopefully, this fellow, or fellows, made their share.

Anyone who believes that there are limits to what terrorists might do—be they foreign, or domestic, is a liability to himself, his family, and his community. The Boston Authorities seemed to have handled the aftermath of this bombing appropriately. It remains to be seen why they didn't provide more security at this particular area—but given the length of the race route, this bombing could have occurred anywhere along that route.


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Posted by Fred R
a resident of The Greenhouse
on Apr 16, 2013 at 5:54 pm

Hey Joe: stick with Rupert Murdoch's NY Post - it took them 24 hours to retract the story about 12 dead and the injured Saudi Arabian as a suspect, far longer than everyone else.

And curious, just how do your statements work together?
- "but there are some possible links to Al Qaeda--" wile conflating it all with references to 9/11 and Iraq

- "There is no reason for us to speculate at this time who did this"

Funny that. Joe: No reason to speculate, but Joe just did!

Bringing in Benghazi too, wow! That's the trifecta! What's it like to live in fear?

Were you one of the ones who though Obama was going to declare 'Martial Law' before the election? Web Link Read all the paranoia and fear at that far right link - it would be absolutely hilarious if those were only fictional characters. Read the comments. What a bunch of paranoid loons. And golly, so accurate too! (" Lead up to the Brave New World. It's gonna get ugly. REAL ugly. And from the looks of it, and I know it's unpopular to even say, but I think white folk are gonna suffer the most. ... Those that don't take it lying down will be terminated with an apparatus that is unbelievable in scope and lethality.")

Sooooo, Joe, let's have some fun: your posts conflate the attacks with al qaeda, benghazi, 9/11, Iraq and Obama.

So tell us, best guess, just as a prediction, Joe, just for grins, who do YOU think did it?

Me? On Patriots Day? seems the easy money is on a local domestic terrorist or group (but probably single) with an axe to grind. Yes, I predict they will be caught, mostly because they are stoooopid. Anyone doing this isn't the sharpest tool in the shed.

C'mon Joe - what's your guess?

But one thing for sure - he/they are a coward. Obviously a coward.

Child killing scum.

Prayers to the injured and the families of the victims. blessings to the first responders and volunteers.


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Posted by Paul Losch
a resident of Community Center
on Apr 16, 2013 at 6:01 pm

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Joe,

I agree with you for the most part.

And you can call me Paul!

The nature of a conspiracy as you describe in the States was clearly an issue around 9/11. Boston is not another 9/11.

Some other posters have compared this incident to events in England, Spain, Northern Ireland, now landed on American shores.

Ironically, near the landing of the Mayflower some 400 years ago along the beaches of what is now known as Boston.

I share your POV that this sort of stuff is at risk at happening in the States as time goes on. Anywhere, but most likely high visibility places. Remember Times Square in NYC when an altercation was averted?

Where we may part ways is that I do not perceive this as a bunch of conspirators trying to destroy our country. Rather, it is an unconnected series of events that have been prevented, instigated by troubled people.

Tragic, not sure how preventable all the time.

Roast their asses when they are identified.


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Posted by Joe
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Apr 16, 2013 at 6:42 pm

> Joe: No reason to speculate, but Joe just did!

No! I simply pointed out that there are folks in the media world who have pointed out that pressure cookers full of ball bearings are being promoted as IED in some parts of the world where Al Qaeda/the Taliban operate openly.

I don't know who did it, and am not going to speculate. People are free to connect the dots as they see fit. The kinds of explosives used might give another clue. So far, there has been no announcement about what kinds of explosives were involved.

The reference to 9/11 was simply to remind Mr. Losch that organized, foreign, terrorists have operated quite sucessfully in this country in the past. In fact, WWI saw German terrorists operating very freely in the New York/New Jersy area--resulting in the destruction of the Black Tom Munitions shipping facility. These German sabateours were very sucessful in placing bombs in cargo ships that resulted in a great loss of property, and life.

German, and Italian, spies also had free run of the country until we entered the war in 1941. The country's experience with German spies/saboteurs during WWI was one of the reasons for the internment camps that saw Germans, Italians and Japanese detained.

As to the reference to Benghazi, it is still not solved--with a lot of spinning from the Whitehouse about its cause, and resolution.

Our open society allows foreign military, and industrial, spies to operate quite freely. 9/11 was an example of how unprepared we were to admit that terror attacks can occur in our country.

Let me add for Mr. Losch's edification, that people who go through Military Basic Training are taught a number of techniques for survival in combat. I'll pass along two: 1) Assumption is the mother of all screwups, and 2) Expect the unexpected.

It's pretty clear that those people who were in charge of this event did not take these two basic survival techniques to heart.



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Posted by Paul Losch
a resident of Community Center
on Apr 16, 2013 at 6:57 pm

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Joe,

You can call me Paul


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Posted by Fred R
a resident of The Greenhouse
on Apr 16, 2013 at 7:49 pm

"> Joe: No reason to speculate, but Joe just did! No! I simply pointed out that there are folks in the media world who have pointed out that pressure cookers full of ball bearings are being promoted as IED in some parts of the world where Al Qaeda/the Taliban operate openly. "

Yes, you clearly did type it out and provided the links: "We don't know who perpetrated this atrocity, rather than a tragedy—but there are some possible links to Al Qaeda--" along with conflating others.

As far as the silly pressure cooker argument conflation "are being promoted as IED in some parts of the world where Al Qaeda/the Taliban operate openly. "

Well, take a look on youtube for lots of good ol' white 'Murican boys blowing off pressure cookers, propane tanks and all sorts of other stuff. Making things go boom has been a youtube favorite since it started.

That takes care of your first sentence. I'm not going to bother with the rest of your unrelated WWI through MBT drivel. Sorry you're not comfortable sharing your guess, estimate or prediction. Lordy, you're sure good at sharing all the rest, including the conflation of all your boogie men!


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Posted by feeling silly but not wondering
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Apr 17, 2013 at 2:08 am

Around March 8, in the evening, we were in a car at the light at El Camino and Page Mill, facing Stanford, and there was a loud explosion off somewhere to the right, like a bomb went off somewhere, shook everything like an earthquake. It wasn't just a gun. We called the police but never heard anything more about it. There were lots of people at the light and around that evening who must have heard it, too, closer than we were. What happened in Boston just makes me wonder, the sound was very similar.

I'm just wondering if something like that is too remote to mention/burden investigators with, or if it might be of concern to local police now in the aftermath of what happened in Boston. I couldn't personally shed any more light on it than what is already written here, but maybe someone else could. It was really kind of frightening when it happened. It certainly wasn't nothing - makes one wonder if it was something of concern.

Did anyone else report that explosion sound in the Town Square?


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Posted by Joe
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Apr 17, 2013 at 9:03 am

> conflating

You seem to like that word. Wonder if you have the slightest idea what it means.

> drivel ..

Guessing you are someone without much in the way of any knowledge of US/World history. People like yourself never seem to learn much from the mistakes of yesterday. Why is that? (Can you use the word "conflate" more than five times in your explanation?)

Luckily, there are good men and women, in our military, keeping this country safe from the foreign, and domestic, enemies--or buffoons, as in this poster's case.

> Did anyone else report that explosion sound in the Town Square?

Loud sounds/noises around any university are not to be unexpected. Did you see any smoke?


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Posted by musical
a resident of Palo Verde
on Apr 17, 2013 at 9:43 am

>> "Roast their asses when they are identified."

More likely our tax dollars will keep them comfortable and healthy into ripe old age. Web Link

>> explosion around March 8

My first guess would be thunder. It is heard around here very occasionally, and not always accompanied by rain. Anyone really curious could search out meteorological and seismometer records. There was some rain on March 7.


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Posted by Paul Losch
a resident of Community Center
on Apr 17, 2013 at 10:28 am

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Joe,

Let's get re-focussed.

The point of my posting is that I question the need for law enforcement officials, in a cordoned off area classified as a "police area, do not cross" does not call for such folks to carry the sorts of weapons that they are carrying.

Thanks for your gratuitous comments about my understanding of the English language.

Stay on topic, big guy.

And you can call me Paul.


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Posted by Joe
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Apr 17, 2013 at 10:46 am

The Boston Marathon Bombing: Who Done it?

Well, seems that there might be some information about that coming soon:

Web Link

Mr. Losch--

I have made the point several times that having the police on site with automatic weapons might seem like overkill to you, but it's not to the people in charge in Boston.

By the way, during the initial response to 9-11, there were National Guard posted in many public places--like the GG Bridge, and the San Jose Airport. These soldiers carried automatic weapons, if memory serves. Did you think that that response was inappropriate?

The world has changed--and not for the good. You are a minority of one if you think otherwise.


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Posted by good job FBI
a resident of Downtown North
on Apr 17, 2013 at 10:55 am

CNN says the FBI has used surveillance video to make an arrest. Good job by the FBI if they got the right guy (or one of them) so quickly.


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Posted by Paul Losch
a resident of Community Center
on Apr 17, 2013 at 10:56 am

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Joe,

You can call me Paul


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Posted by Fred R
a resident of The Greenhouse
on Apr 17, 2013 at 11:13 am

Joe: let me help you with a definition: "In logic, it is the practice of treating two distinct concepts as if they were one, which produces errors or misunderstandings as a fusion of distinct subjects tends to obscure analysis of relationships which are emphasized by contrasts"

In your example you conflated the Boston bombing with the statement "We don't know who perpetrated this atrocity, rather than a tragedy—but there are some possible links to Al Qaeda--" as well as others over several posts.

To further your sudden interest in the concept of conflation... Here's how the big boys use conflation; George Bush "Before 11 September 2001, many in the world believed that Saddam Hussein could be contained..." Isn't that nice? Conflating 9/11 and Saddam in a mere 15 or so words!

See? You learned well, young grasshopper, from the mid-level professional, Bush. Now, for your advanced training, see the course titled: Conflation 201, The Master - AQ, Iraq, Iran and Dick Cheney.

Joe: I believe that was five. Capiche?


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Posted by Joe
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Apr 17, 2013 at 11:34 am

> In your example you conflated the Boston bombing with the
> statement "We don't know who perpetrated this atrocity,
> rather than a tragedy—but there are some possible links
> to Al Qaeda--" as well as others over several posts.

Arrest in Boston Case:
Web Link

The U.S. government has warned federal agencies in the past that terrorists could turn pressure cookers into bombs by packing them with explosives and shrapnel and detonating them with blasting caps.
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The following is an example of the kinds of links to Al Qaeda that can be found in the mainstream media--

Al-Qaeda link to Boston 'pressure cooker':
Web Link

Detailed instructions for making a pressure cooker bomb of the type used in the Boston Marathon bombings on Monday were published online by al-Qaeda in Yemen last year.
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Simply adding a link to such an article means nothing.

If you want to claim its "conflation" go right ahead—but take it up with the mainstream media—I didn't write these articles. What part of that don't you understand?

I have no idea who did this. No matter who is the culprit--this is a big lose-lose situation for everyoe.

I do agree with Mr. Losch that whoever did it should be "fried". Sadly, some lawyer will ultimately claim that "my client is innocent by reason of insanity".



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And now, back to Mr. Losch's main point--


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Posted by Joe
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Apr 17, 2013 at 11:55 am

Another thing that we have to keep in mind is that news reports about events involving catastrophe are often wrong. Seems that the claim that someone has been arrested is now being denied--

Web Link

Guess we all will have to "stay tuned for future developments".


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Posted by Paul Losch
a resident of Community Center
on Apr 17, 2013 at 12:33 pm

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Joe,

You can call me Paul


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Posted by Fred R
a resident of The Greenhouse
on Apr 17, 2013 at 1:18 pm

" Sadly, some lawyer will ultimately claim that "my client is innocent by reason of insanity"."

Let's ask Timothy McVeigh how that works. Oh, right.....


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Posted by Fred R
a resident of The Greenhouse
on Apr 17, 2013 at 1:20 pm

♫ ♫ ...and you can call me Al.... ♫ ♫

From one of the top 25 albums of all time, imo.


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Posted by Brit
a resident of Palo Verde
on Apr 17, 2013 at 2:27 pm

Paul

I am surprised that in a country where gun ownership is considered a right, including automatic weapons, that after such a violent attack as what happened in Boston, Americans feel that armed security personnel on rooftops is overkill.

Double standards?


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Posted by Fred R
a resident of The Greenhouse
on Apr 17, 2013 at 2:41 pm

Almost 4,000 Americans killed by guns since Sandy Hook. (3,484 - through 4/15)
How many killed by bombs since Sandy Hook? 3? 10? 20?

Double stan.... what on earth are you talking about?!?!?

Is this the same mentality that wants guns in schools and on all rooftops? Are you in a police union looking for more jobs for your union brothers?


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Posted by Brit
a resident of Palo Verde
on Apr 17, 2013 at 2:46 pm

Fred, I think you misunderstand me.

I am not an American and I think gun ownership in the US is out of control. However, I am someone who has lived through IRA terrorism in Britain and I find the sight of armed security personnel at the scene of violent mayhem something to be expected. I am surprised that Paul(and perhaps other Americans) is surprised by it, that is all.


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Posted by Fred R
a resident of The Greenhouse
on Apr 17, 2013 at 2:57 pm

Sorry. We haven't had the need.

I do find it disingenuous to go from one bombing in Boston to the "IRA terrorism in Britain" level. That said, in fact, I suspect/assume that kind of firepower IS there anyway, either 'in the trunk' or otherwise available on a moments notice.

Compared to a decade or two ago, I feel many/most urban police departments have become far more militarized in terms of firepower. I have no stats, nor intend to search for any to to back that up, but I don't think anyone will argue the point.


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Posted by Brit
a resident of Palo Verde
on Apr 17, 2013 at 3:17 pm

Fred,

And yet, all your police officers are armed as a matter of course.

In Britain, even now, it is rare to see an armed police officer, except in areas needing extra security or at times when extra security seems wise such as leading up to the Olympics.


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Posted by Kevin
a resident of Midtown
on Apr 17, 2013 at 4:35 pm

I think this is pretty amusing. Paul Losch dug himself into a hole, by complaining about how the police in Boston deploy their arms. He seems to be alarmed about various weapons in a police protection zone...quivering, pretty much.

If he could retract, I think he would.

Paul, next time try to use your brain, rather than your emotions.


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Posted by Paul Losch
a resident of Community Center
on Apr 17, 2013 at 8:49 pm

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Kevin, (that's my brother's name!)

That's the first time in my life that I have been accused of being the Tin Man (heart) as opposed to the Scarecrow (brain.) Please consider a career in therapy.

No hole dug. I simply question the need for law enforcement personnel in a large cordoned off area to be carrying high powered weapons. What's the point? Whom are they protecting? Against whom are they carrying such weapons at this point in this incident?

Brit, I have given some thought to your comments. The IRA was largely behind the incidents that occured before the troubles finally achieved a semblance of balance. That was a conspiracy, whether or not one buys into the cause.

The incident in Boston on Monday was criminal brutality, pure and simple. Had there been a cause or conspiracy behind it, word would be out by now.

As noted by an earlier poster, this was the work of cowardice.


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Posted by Mike
a resident of Crescent Park
on Apr 18, 2013 at 2:45 pm

Apparently right after a shooting crisis even extreme liberals see value in the presence of armed police and guardsmen . At least until their party members get them alone and tell them guns are always, always bad.

Right after the recent Sandy Hook school massacre Barbra Boxer proposed legislation to fund armed National Guardsmen at schools nationwide. You probably missed it but her proposal was not that much different from the proposal by the NRA immediately derided as idiotic by the left establishment.

Here is the LA Time article link Web Link


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Posted by Joe da fear dude
a resident of Menlo Park
on Apr 18, 2013 at 2:48 pm

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Posted by stereotypes
a resident of Adobe-Meadows
on Apr 18, 2013 at 4:13 pm

The ricin letters to government officials and the fertilizer explosion blowing up a town in Texas were apparently caused by white folks, too. Every time there is a massive act of violence, all the white folks suspect non-white folks, but more often than not, the perps turn out to be other white folks. Two of the biggest USA mass killers in recent memory were Ted Kaczynski and Tim McVeigh.

I agree with the previous post that people need to stop watching Fox News in times of national crisis. They just politicize everything with endless lies and speculation. Other news agencies make mistakes too, but not intentionally and not for political purposes.


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Posted by Rupert Murdoch
a resident of Nixon School
on Apr 18, 2013 at 4:56 pm

Folk need to stop reading Rupert Murdoch's papers, too. The Post had the wrong suspect on it's cover, making life a living hell for a teenage who happened to go to the race as a spectator.

Web Link

Will we see poster "Joe" back here after being so wrong about Al Qaeda, putting Al Qaeda in every post and while he claims he wasn't, so obviously conflating the two.


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Posted by Paul Losch
a resident of Community Center
on Apr 19, 2013 at 9:33 am

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This is getting more confusing as the hours go by.

I was supposed to be on a conference call in Boston this Friday morning. With the entire area locked down by order of the governor, it was understandably cancelled.

I was moved to tears by the ceremony Thursday at the Cathedral. The President is a powerful orator, and delivered a moving eulogy at the event.

Huge credit and heartfelt thanks to all in law enforcement who identified suspects so rapidly and as I write this, are trying to track down the one who was not shot and killed. Now is the time for them to have their weapons out.

But bring him back alive. Too many questions that will be unanswered if the remaining suspect also gets killed.


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Posted by dollar to donuts
a resident of Downtown North
on Apr 19, 2013 at 10:20 am

Too crazy, too much drama, too scary, too much misinformation, etc..; a lighter note; this one aspect will live on forever....

During this lockdown of Boston, law enforcement has asked Dunkin Donuts to remain open.


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Posted by Too much information
a resident of Community Center
on Apr 19, 2013 at 10:33 am

Why does Paul Losch always wrie so much about himself? Never met the man but I know about his business, now his brother, his education in Cambridge (sorry you were inconvenienced, Paul), his phone call (sorry you were inconvenienced, Paul) and that he doesn't like to be called Mr.

Too much information, Mr. Losch.


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Posted by a losch bro in spirit
a resident of East Palo Alto
on Apr 19, 2013 at 10:47 am

In all the craziness going on, Paul's sharing of anecdotes, memories, etc.. is what you choose to complain about? Well good on ya, you must have a hella good life for that to be your biggest gripe.
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Posted by fox
a resident of Adobe-Meadows
on Apr 19, 2013 at 11:20 am

Last night, Fox News was reporting that the bombers were Saudi nationals and the Obama administration was secretly flying the terrorists out of the country to protect Obamas's relations with the Saudis.


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Posted by Kevin
a resident of Midtown
on Apr 19, 2013 at 11:42 am

This thing has islam stamped all over it. The police need every weapon available to them to protect themselves and us from martyrs for allah. Time to stop whining, Paul. The best way to get out of a self-dug hole is to quit digging it deeper.


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Posted by homeless
a resident of another community
on Apr 19, 2013 at 12:11 pm

Paul, I was there 1979 . Right after the snow storm. Went to U-Mass and studied at nights in MIT library. It was the only library open for 24-hrs. I worked 3 jobs, studied at night time. My heart is so broken, txtn my friend who is in lock down in Cambridge. These are immigration issues. Torn families. CNN is wrong about reporting those two brothers simulated. My prayers go to all.


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Posted by the Caucasus region
a resident of College Terrace
on Apr 19, 2013 at 12:12 pm

Kevin thinks 'this has Islam stamped all over it'. Probably because Rush and Beck said so.

Looks like they're from Chechnya, which means they're from very heart of the Caucasus region, and you know what that means...

Caucasian. Stamped all over it. Legal Caucasian immigrants. This guys probably go in the same group as Adam Lanza and Loughner.

We'll see.


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Posted by Kevin
a resident of Midtown
on Apr 19, 2013 at 12:28 pm

>This guys probably go in the same group as Adam Lanza and Loughner.

Nope, these guys were not nut cases. They were islamic cases. They simply followed the Quran, as written. Same as OBL, who was also not crazy. And the true believer at Fort Hood.


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Posted by Sharon and Samuel Baume
a resident of Midtown
on Apr 19, 2013 at 12:35 pm

"Nope, these guys were not nut cases. They were islamic cases. They simply followed the Quran, as written. Same as OBL, who was also not crazy. And the true believer at Fort Hood.

And this is based on what evidence, Kevin?
My sources tell me that Mitch McConnell has been arrested and is being transported to Guantonamo, where he will be waterboarded to see if the republicans had anything to do with it (he did say he would do anything to undermine Obama)


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Posted by homeless
a resident of another community
on Apr 19, 2013 at 12:43 pm

conflict is cultural. Immigration . Torn famies. No support for the two brothers. No American friends. They were not simulated. Impossible. Why did the parents leave them? One of them should have stayed home here and the other could have gone to check on the 2 sisters. Torn family stuck in immigration brutality. Deep loving understanding of issues is needed here. This is not about religion, issue is bullying and hatered.


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Posted by Gitmo Gilbert
a resident of Gunn High School
on Apr 19, 2013 at 12:49 pm

Mr/Ms Baume: the McConnell 'enhanced interrogation' is delayed.

There was a Dunkin Donuts on the way.....

Kevin/Joe: If Loughner/Lanza were just 'nut cases', what does that make McVeigh?


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Posted by Kevin
a resident of Midtown
on Apr 19, 2013 at 1:18 pm

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Posted by Hmmm
a resident of East Palo Alto
on Apr 19, 2013 at 3:07 pm

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Posted by Paul Losch
a resident of Community Center
on Apr 19, 2013 at 9:35 pm

Paul Losch is a registered user.

I appreciate the privilege the PA Weekly folks have offered me to be a part of those who opine on this site.

I attempt to adhere to rules of engagement to focus on local matters.

But we are a community that consists of many people who have landed here and chosen to stay here after spending time elsewhere.

That is the tragedy and celebration of what transpired in Boston this past week.

We are Palo Altans. We value and remember that most of us descended from elsewhere into this rarefied part of the world.

One thing I like about doing this blog is that I can use personal experiences and apply them to larger matters.

I actually find amusing when posters choose to move off content and instead pick on me. I welcome points of view that differ from mine. That's part of the fun.

I can handle aspersions directed at me and my opinions.

To those of you who choose to take on me, get a life.

Focus on the content, it's not about me.

And you can call me Paul


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Posted by homeless
a resident of Community Center
on Apr 29, 2013 at 12:25 pm

homeless is a registered user.

As a Christian I struggle in forgiveness on this. I pray every day to understand the terrible crime committed, and how to forgive.


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