Zero Dark Thirty was zeroed out the leftists Issues Beyond Palo Alto, posted by Gary, a resident of the Downtown North neighborhood, on Feb 27, 2013 at 7:08 pm
>The recent movie "Zero Dark Thirty" explained the truth that waterboarding, and related enhanced interrogation methods, produced the crucial elements that allowed for OBL to be now dead. However, even though the movie got great initial reviews, the Hollywood leftists are now on the warpath to put it down ( Web Link ).
As usual, I was right. The leftists, zeroed out "Zero Dark Thirty"
Waterboarding worked. It is that simple. OBL is now dead, because of waterboarding and other stressful events. We need to honor GWB for his leadership.
Instead, we get this leftist drivel from Holloywood.
In a previous thread, I was told to just wait and see, by the lefties...Hollywood would focus on exellence, instead of ideology. Wrong! The leftists rejected Zero Dark Thirty, because it did not fit their narrative.
Posted by Dogbone, a resident of the Downtown North neighborhood, on Feb 28, 2013 at 11:09 am
Yet John McCain told you that torture doesn't work.
And waterboarding is torture -- the United States has prosecuted water boarding incidents as torture, in the past.
Noting new? True. All Gary's posts use the absurd phrases such as 'leftist narrative, carefully crafted by Hollywood'. So sad. Poor gary can't think for himself, just using the Glenn Beck/Drug Limbaugh talking points.
Posted by Gary, a resident of the Downtown North neighborhood, on Feb 28, 2013 at 11:22 am
>Yet John McCain told you that torture doesn't work.
He did not. In fact, he broke under torture by the North Vietnamese, and provided propaganda fodder for them. He was very ashamed that he broke, but he did break. He just opposes torture on moral grounds.
Zero Dark Thrity was a docudrama that explained how OBL was killed. Waterboarding, and other stressor methods were essential to that final kill. John McCain does not deny this...he just opposes waterboarding, no matter how effective it is.
The leftists in Hollywood (Ed Asner and his crew) were not about to allow this film to get the awards that it deserved. Nothing new. Censorship and blacklisting are common themes in Hollwywood.
Posted by Dogbone, a resident of Los Altos, on Feb 28, 2013 at 11:51 am
" Outgoing Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said on Sunday that “We could have gotten bin Laden without” enhanced interrogation techniques, despite the implication in the film “Zero Dark Thirty” that the techniques, called torture by opponents, played a pivotal role in finding bin Laden."
He went on to say the following: ”Yes, some of it came from some of the tactics that were used at that time, interrogation tactics that were used,” he admitted. “But the fact is we put together most of that intelligence without having to resort to that.”
But ol' Gary thinks that Hollywood is real. Yet he claims Hollywood is not real. Oh, poor Gary....
McCain, under torture, gave up the names of the green Bay Packer offensive line.
Nice try, gary.
More from McCain:
"“It was not torture, or cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment of detainees that got us the major leads that ultimately enabled our intelligence community to find Osama bin Laden,” McCain said in a stirring 22-minute speech from the Senate floor.
McCain called the techniques – implemented by CIA interrogators during the George W. Bush administration and later barred by President Obama – “indisputably torture,” and said waterboarding amounted to a “mock execution.”
“I do not believe they are necessary to our success in our war against terrorists, as the advocates of these techniques claim they are,” he said.
McCain directly criticized former Attorney General Michael Mukasey for publicly suggesting recently that waterboarding of alleged 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheik Mohammed led investigators to the courier who ferried information to and from bin Laden’s compound in Pakistan.
“That is false,” McCain said, citing a report from CIA director Leon Panetta who said the courier’s identity was obtained elsewhere.
Waterboarding KSM “actually produced false and misleading information,” McCain said, explaining that Mohammed’s information on the courier was ultimately proven incorrect."
Posted by Gary, a resident of the Downtown North neighborhood, on Feb 28, 2013 at 12:40 pm
>He went on to say the following: ”Yes, some of it came from some of the tactics that were used at that time, interrogation tactics that were used,” he admitted. “But the fact is we put together most of that intelligence without having to resort to that.”
Leon Panetta did not say that enhanced interrogation was not essential to killing OBL. He is clearly under pressure to underplay its crucial role.
Zero Dark Thiry weaves together the path to kill OBL. Waterboarding was an important element, but it was not the total package, and I have never claimed that it was. However, without waterboarding, OBL would still be alive.
We owe GWB a siginficant amount of honor for doing what needed to be done. If waterboarding is needed again, under special circumstances, there should be no hesitation to use it.
Zero Dark Thirty was shut out at the Oscars, as I predicted, because it does not conform to the leftist narrative.
Posted by Dogbone, a resident of Los Altos, on Feb 28, 2013 at 2:26 pm
"Zero Dark Thiry weaves together the path to kill OBL."
Gary: let's try it a little more clearly... IT'S A MOVIE, not a factual documentary. You make silly, specious, unproven claims that you cannot factually substantiate, such as " He is clearly under pressure to underplay its crucial role."
About the only provable fact you have in your post is "Zero Dark Thirty was shut out at the Oscars, as I predicted", assuming, of course, that you did predict it. I'll give ya that one. Otherwise, stick with facts, like the one about Bush not caring if he got bin Ladin, or Obama's promise to America to get bin Ladin, and it's fulfillment.
Waterboarding is torture. Torture doesn't work. Give it up, Gary.
Unless you want to pull a little demo... a nice safe demonstration of Gary getting waterboarded at Lytton Plaza? Like that author who tried it it and FREAKED out?
Posted by CrescentParkAnon., a resident of the Crescent Park neighborhood, on Feb 28, 2013 at 5:38 pm
> Leon Panetta did not say that enhanced interrogation was not essential to killing OBL. He is clearly under pressure to underplay its crucial role.
If there is pressure it is pressure the other way, in order to justify greater lattitude and more hands off for military actions, and so it would be in OVERPLAYING the role of "enhanced interrogation techniques" which has the dual role of amping up everyone around the world and in the country about the matter. If you don't have a real enemy before you begin acting like this - you damn well have quite a few after you start.
The idea that people they know may be getting grabbed, kidnapped, waterboarded and tortured - sometimes fatally has got to be one of the greatest recruitment forces in the radical Islamic world. This has been used on people all throughout the world ... except in America, the kind of implied chosen people. One reason to come to America would be not to be subject to this kind of terror. America the safe magnet.
The bottom lines seems to me to be about controlled the global media, or at least the conversation with US superpower belligerence for the sake of the reaction it provokes. Obviously these conversations would have been had in the White House so it would seem clear that a war with Islam was indeed what the Neocons had in mind. All these years and all this talk in the media, the news and the wars for something that was decided by a few and forced on everyone else politically for some greater good by the coordinated COMPUTED application of political and economic force.
It's about time what a "greater good" is defined and would look like needs to be trotted out and explained. We have corporations with the responsibility of being profitable that overrides everything else for them, what is the "metric" by which we judge government if not the greatest good, so it needs to be defined and reported on.
I think mostly it has to do with greater good being defined as the good of the greatest force, and there is no guarantee that is going to be democratic of permanent unless democratic government is the last and greatest vote counted.
Posted by CrescentParkAnon., a resident of the Crescent Park neighborhood, on Mar 14, 2013 at 12:59 pm
>We do have a real enemy, and it is fundmentalist Islam.
Well, I am not sure that enemy really fits the bill here. I agree that the radical Islamists are a problem for the whole world. It seems to me that rather than deal with it, because economic realities make that difficult, we have transformed it to the military domain. That serves multiple purposes, it inflames and swells the resistance, it pumps money and power into our military, it give masses of cash to the belligerent sectors of our own economy and society that have been problematic since the outbreak of peace after WWII and the new Cold War.
In short, all this militarism has been a disaster for the economy, society, American culture, American trust, and the support of diversity and freedom of speech ... we have practically gutted our own country to bring about the reality a small minority think benefits them, and put these folks in charge for ... who know how long?