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"We prefer that you use your real name, but you may use any 'member' name you wish."

Original post made by Chris Zaharias, Crescent Park, on Dec 26, 2012

PaloAltoOnline.com asks that posters use their real names, which in my opinion means your full, real name (Chris Zaharias, for example, which is mine); after all, using your real first name along is no less anonymous than using a 'member name'.

I imagine the editor(s) feel that posting with our real names ensure

a) that postings are respectful & truthful; and
b) that Town Square continues to be a thoughtful gathering place for sharing *community* information & opinion.

I do think respectful & truthful discussion are enhanced when what we say is attached to who we are, and it's without question that the only way to ensure opinions being posted are *from* community members is for people to state their true name (or at least affirm their PA residency).

Can the editor(s) clarify their desires on this point, and can readers agree or disagree with my views? I love PAOnline and would love it even more if it had the true, PA local community feel to it that real names would afford.

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Posted by Moose of the anony kind
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Dec 26, 2012 at 11:12 am

Chris: Privacy is important. In an extreme example, anonymity protects whistleblowers.

While we see few true whisltleblower posts here, there are times when I post thoughts or info that I prefer my employer, for instance, not associate directly with me. Or s/he prefers not to have associated with him/her.

Yes, anonymity clearly has it's downside.

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Posted by Chris Zaharias
a resident of Crescent Park
on Dec 26, 2012 at 11:29 am

I hear you, Moose. FWIW, I *want* to be fired (or not hired) by any employer who objects to my stated views. It's already happened at least once, and I consider myself better off career-wise for it. Can't imagine having worked for a company who wouldn't want me speaking my mind on topics related to the place I live.


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Posted by Palo Parent
a resident of Greenmeadow
on Dec 26, 2012 at 11:40 am

Um Chris, while us anonymous posters surely would prefer to promote your desire to: "love it even more", some of us us are sole family supporters in a 10% unemployment state and our desire to not do anything that might draw fire on-line surely trumps your desires.


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Posted by Chris Zaharias
a resident of Crescent Park
on Dec 26, 2012 at 11:42 am

Chris Zaharias is a registered user.

Point taken.


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Posted by agree with intolerance
a resident of another community
on Dec 26, 2012 at 11:52 am

Of course the Weekly wants to know who you are, especially if you disagree with them or criticize their reporting etc.
If the weekly is interested in knowing everyone's name, they should make it a requirement to post--of course then nobody would be posting. Their ad revenue would dry up, since no one was on their page.
However, I make it a point NOT to do business with anyone that advertises on the weekly site.


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Dec 26, 2012 at 12:10 pm

I would like to stay anonymous for various reasons, but not because I want to be disrespectful or untruthful. It doesn't follow that someone who is using their real name will be any more truthful than someone who is anonymous and respectfully how do I know that you are in fact Chris Zaharias and not someone else using your name.

I use facebook and comment on a lot of the news fb pages like many ther people, and all those news articles are commented on by a great many people all presumably using their real names but are very disrespectful and use foul language. Unfortunately, I don't think people who want to be disrespectful will change very much even if they were forced to use their real names.


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Posted by Craig Laughton
a resident of College Terrace
on Dec 26, 2012 at 1:26 pm

If forced to use real names, this forum would dry up. One tweak I would suggest is that the Weekly modify its forced registration cap on various topics...it could just insist that real names by used in order to continue (or be a registered user).


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Posted by Abraham Lincoln ;-0
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Dec 26, 2012 at 2:07 pm

Using "real names" - whether registered or not - has its own set of problems. Would the Weekly verify that a poster is who s/he says? How? What would prevent "identity-jacking"?

To me the best policy seems to be to try to be civil and encourage it in others, while continuing to edit out those who are really over the line.


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Posted by homeless
a resident of Community Center
on Dec 26, 2012 at 4:35 pm

I agree with the post. Reason I don't use my real name is that trust is gone.I do trust Palo Alto on line staff though, for not posting people's names unless its agreed to.


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Posted by Craig Laughton
a resident of College Terrace
on Dec 26, 2012 at 5:19 pm

>Would the Weekly verify that a poster is who s/he says? How? What would prevent "identity-jacking"?

An identity jacker would be protested by the real deal person. There is no perfect system, but I think my idea is a good one. Too many threads are shut down by the artificial cap that is currently employed by the Weekly.


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Posted by Moose of the anony kind
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Dec 26, 2012 at 5:25 pm

"An identity jacker would be protested by the real deal person."

"Posted by Abraham Lincoln"

Has the real Abe spoke up yet?


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Posted by Anonymous
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Dec 26, 2012 at 5:44 pm

I used my real name and location up until a few months ago. The reason I stopped is that someone figured out who my husband and I were and exactly where we lived. Then they vandalized some of our property, and harassed us by mail, mocking us with the online names of everyone in the family. No more.


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Posted by Craig Laughton
a resident of College Terrace
on Dec 26, 2012 at 6:00 pm

>"An identity jacker would be protested by the real deal person."

"Posted by Abraham Lincoln"

Has the real Abe spoke up yet?

Uh Moose, that was not Abe, it was me: Craig Laughton (College Terrace).

I don't intimidate well, so I could care less what people think about me. However, many people are intimidated, and they need the cover of annonymity. I support them, if they need it. Especially you, Moose.


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Posted by Pro forma
a resident of Crescent Park
on Dec 26, 2012 at 6:59 pm

There are many good reasons to allow people privacy on this board, as anonymous pointed out. As for the name validation: there is someone who writes inflammatory posts using my relatively uncommon first name. I don't think s/he is trying to impersonate me, but maybe that's also his/her name, or maybe it just seemed like a reasonable nom de plume. Consequently, I have been criticized me for posts written by my doppelganger.

The more anonymous the better. If PAO wants to keep us to one handle, that's a different story.


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Posted by Anonymous
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Dec 26, 2012 at 8:08 pm

Recently, I received a Christmas card addressed to my real name that had no return address. Inside, it listed my PAO password, online name, previous online name, and the online names of my son and his wife. Had to turn it over to the police, who think it is someone who has harassed others on PAO. Two days later, my front yard was vandalized. The police came and took a report. If I am harassed any more by this person, the police will contact her and possibly arrest her for stalking.


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Posted by Many questions
a resident of Midtown
on Dec 26, 2012 at 8:27 pm

How did the person get your password? What did the card say? How do you know that the person who sent the card vandalized you yard? I am surprised that the police got involved. Where there threats in the card? Does the police monitor PAO? Is replying to posts considered stalking?


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Posted by Not me anymore
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Dec 26, 2012 at 9:57 pm

Not me. Not too long ago there were posts on PAO by a former employee that worked for the city. Clearly he had anger issues. Eventually the city had to go after him for threats he was making. He also went after posters here that disagreed with his claims of mistreatment by the city. Not clear that if he had names that he would not have gone after people by calling or visiting them. Anonymous has value.
Way back when when much like you I requested PAO do more than they do in terms of controlling the tone of the dialogue by having registered posters. A former employee insisted he wanted PAO to be like "the well", an old BBS that has gone the way of the Dodo bird. Apparently he was nostalgic for Internets "golden years" when self policing worked better because the community size was much smaller. Anyway I figure this is PAO's sandbox and this is what they prefer or they would fix it.


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Posted by Anon.
a resident of Crescent Park
on Dec 27, 2012 at 4:51 am

Obviously, I support Anonymous posting.

It would not be a bad idea to have anyone who wants to post register but not have to use their real name in case of problems, in fact I think for legal reasons they ought to forbid use of real names, after all there is a legal consequence to posting certain things as has been mentioned and if the post is not from the claimed identity there could be very negative consequences.

I think it would make people more cautious and polite - maybe, but surely it could endanger or cause people problems problems. I look at message boards as similar to town hall meetings, i.e. at least, in part, political, and as such it is more valuable anonymous along the lines of the secret ballot.


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Posted by common sense
a resident of Midtown
on Dec 27, 2012 at 9:16 am

One reason to remain anonymous - there are some who can't handle disagreement or differing viewpoints - and they use personal attacks (instead of arguing the issue).

Beside the "Report Objectionable Content" on each post, the website should also have a "like" "dislike" and compute a popularity count for posts.


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Posted by follow the money
a resident of Crescent Park
on Dec 27, 2012 at 11:26 am

Chris, the forums are here to make PAWeekly money through web page hits and ads. It's as simple as that. As has been repeatedly stated on many free aspects of the web: "If you are getting a product for free, you are the product".
As soon as PAWeekly slap on "registered users only" to a post, it dies. They don't want that and neither, I suspect, do you.


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Posted by Anon.
a resident of Crescent Park
on Dec 27, 2012 at 12:38 pm

>> "If you are getting a product for free, you are the product".

So very true, and well stated, thanks!


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Posted by Anonymous
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Dec 27, 2012 at 1:12 pm

Many Questions: you ask too many. Suffice it to say that the police took some evidence, and agreed that I am being harrassed. Because of who my husband is, kidnap of my toddler grandchild is always considered a possibility. We have been instructed that if there are any more online or offline incidents, we are to call police immediately.

BTW, the police recommend that EVERYONE use "anonymous" or an ever-changing name and NEVER use your real location.

also, Many Questions: never make joking references to someone's crippling and eventually fatal disease!


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Posted by goose boy
a resident of another community
on Dec 27, 2012 at 1:24 pm

Some may change their names, but their style, content and attitude never change

-as my husband was just saying to some European royalty recently


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Posted by Chris Zaharias
a resident of Crescent Park
on Dec 27, 2012 at 1:51 pm

[Portion removed by Palo Alto Online staff.]

Police advice be damned for me, though - if I have to live my online life anonymously, I'd just assume not use the Internet. When the telegraph was first widely adopted, people around the world thought it heralded the end of war and a gigantic, permanent elevation of humankind's empathy. They were wrong, but I do still think that the process of learning to behave humanely online as well as off is part of the opportunity of the Internet.


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Posted by many questions
a resident of Midtown
on Dec 27, 2012 at 4:09 pm


"also, Many Questions: never make joking references to someone's crippling and eventually fatal disease!"
Huh??? What are you talking about????


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Dec 27, 2012 at 6:59 pm

Peter Cao Ming is presumably using his real name and is also a registered user. It does not stop him from being deleted or from posting long uninteresting posts which make no sense and nobody reads.

Anyone can post thoughtful, interesting, respectful posts regardless of whether they are using a real name or are a registered user. It is down to a poster's manners and etiquette as to how they post, not whether they are known or not.


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Posted by Hmmm
a resident of East Palo Alto
on Dec 27, 2012 at 10:19 pm

The Anonymous who's been harassed delivers the best case for it not being necessary to use real names here. Follow the Money also makes an excellent point.

I've never understand people *insisting* on posters using their real names. It's silly, stupid & clearly, unsafe for many to do so. Those who want to, please do & I wish you the best in staying safe. Those of us who don't want to have good reasons not to, & many of us are regulars who do real work, both as professionals & the volunteers, in the community. I also sometimes experience a fundamental split between my affiliations w/Stanford & E. Palo Alto. I won't risk my privacy to either using my real name, nor would I want it to effect mine or my spouse's career.

I am happy to know who people who post under their real names are - Chris Zaharias, Peter Carpenter & Michael Stogner, for example. If I met them at some point, I might actually reveal my handle to them. But when I think of our evil landlord, I am SOOO glad that we can be both known & anon here.


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Posted by Anonymous
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Dec 28, 2012 at 1:07 pm

Apologies to Many Questions:you asked so many questions, I thought you were the perp. Police said watch out for people online who ask too many personal ?s.


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Posted by Doyle
a resident of another community
on Dec 28, 2012 at 1:56 pm

"you asked so many questions, I thought you were the perp"

What????????

Somehow doesn't mesh with the previous statements: "I received a Christmas card addressed to my real name that had no return address. Inside, it listed my PAO password, online name, previous online name, and the online names of my son and his wife." That sounds like your computer was hacked.

Why would the so-called perp still troll for info here after already having access to your computers for so long? Sorry, doesn't fly.

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btw: great line from 'goose boy'. I got the ref. I think. Reference to the duc###### posts from awhile ago, or to online drama queens sharing inane stories about themselves?


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Posted by homeless
a resident of Community Center
on Dec 28, 2012 at 5:13 pm

Doyle--- thank you for adding sanity to this thread.


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Posted by Norman Carroll -used to be registered
a resident of Midtown
on Dec 28, 2012 at 5:15 pm

I have tried using my real name - the system will not let me, but, oddly, asks that I do.........
I try logging in and follow prompts for forgotten password and get -
"Your Username or Email Address was not found in the system"
What makes this very odd to me is the I get the Express via e-mail at the address that isn't in their system..............


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Posted by Anonymous
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Dec 30, 2012 at 1:37 pm

Doyle: I thought it was the perp trying to find out if she had been identified by the PAPD.

The police and my IT man think that PAO may have been hacked, and don't know it yet.


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Posted by firewall???
a resident of Meadow Park
on Dec 30, 2012 at 2:08 pm

If the PAO got hacked weeks ago and they do not know it yet, then that is another reason not to register. I thought that PAO had a firewall or something in place and would detect hacking fairly quickly.


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Posted by firewall???
a resident of Meadow Park
on Dec 30, 2012 at 2:08 pm

If the PAO got hacked weeks ago and they do not know it yet, then that is another reason not to register. I thought that PAO had a firewall or something in place and would detect hacking fairly quickly.


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Posted by Let's have the truth
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jan 2, 2013 at 11:29 am

I was out of town for the holidays and did not see this thread until now.

Anonymous---why are you providing misleading information. I sent you the holiday card. There was no password information in it--just best wishes for the holidays to you and your alter egos.


That, of course calls into question the rest of your claims:
-vandalizing of your front yard
-claims of police involvement and what they supposedly said
-claims that PAO has been hacked
--ridiculous claims of the potential kidnapping of your granddaughter
--and other claims

Having read your many posts, I noticed a need for you to over exagerate claims and make up stories and incidents.
It is too bad you have chosen to done it again--in what IMHO is a clear attempt to stifle responses to some of your more outrageous comments.
People I know consider that to be cyber bullying


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Posted by Norman Carroll -used to be registered
a resident of Midtown
on Jan 18, 2013 at 4:41 pm

Have seen a couple of topic recently I am not allowed to comment on because I STILL am not recognized by a system that send me e-mail to an address it says it DOES NOT have....................


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Posted by Peter Carpenter
a resident of Atherton
on Jan 20, 2013 at 11:27 am

Peter Carpenter is a registered user.

There is a Gresham's Law (bad money drives good money out of circulation) on comment sites likes this one which is that anonymous postings drive out postings by people who use their real names and who therefore have known source credibility. The net result is a decrease in the verifiable quality of information which is posted.

Over time both this site and its companion Almanac site have had a decrease in total postings and a dramatic decrease in postings by people using their real names. as a result both sites offer less and less in the way of credible information.


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Posted by poster
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Jan 20, 2013 at 11:56 am

Peter,

"Over time both this site and its companion Almanac site have had a decrease in total postings and a dramatic decrease in postings by people using their real names. as a result both sites offer less and less in the way of credible information."

I would disagree that total postings have anything to do with anything other than the topic of the threads.

High volume threads are topic related. Low volume threads can be due to lack of interest in the topic, or possibly whatever needs to be said about the topic has already been said.

Maybe Palo Alto online can comment on it.


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Posted by Peter Carpenter
a resident of Atherton
on Jan 20, 2013 at 12:35 pm

Peter Carpenter is a registered user.

The fact remains that the total number of postings and the total number of comments on this forum continue to decrease. If there was valuable information being provided by credible sources this would not be the case.


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Posted by Not an issue
a resident of Community Center
on Jan 20, 2013 at 1:50 pm

Peter makes the incorrect assumption that because you use your real name, it somehow conveys " source credibility" to their postings.
Maybe the number of postings has decreased because people got fed up with the, at times, heavy handed editing ( censorship) employed by,the editors on this forum.
Anyway, peters claim that the number of postings is decreasing is not supported by any data, so I do not consider it a credible claim.


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Posted by Peter Carpenter
a resident of Atherton
on Jan 20, 2013 at 1:59 pm

Peter Carpenter is a registered user.

" the incorrect assumption that because you use your real name, it somehow conveys " source credibility" to their postings."

By definition if the source is anonymous then that source cannot have any source credibility - if you do not know the source of a statement then how can you possibly give a statement any credibility?

As for posting and comment rates simply look at 2009-10 vs 2012-13. The forum site is becoming moribund.


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Posted by Peter Carpenter
a resident of Atherton
on Jan 20, 2013 at 2:09 pm

Peter Carpenter is a registered user.

"There are different elements that may comprise a person's credibility but, according to source credibility theory, the two elements most commonly identified are perceived expertise, and trustworthiness of the source."

Clearly anonymous postings cannot be a credible source of information.


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Posted by Not an issue
a resident of Community Center
on Jan 20, 2013 at 2:19 pm

Clearly , Peter is entitled to his opinion. Unfortunately he has no patience for anyone that disagrees with him.
An anonymous posting can e credible if the poster provides links or states a known fact. For example if I say that Obama was sworn in today, that is a credible statement even though I am posting anonymously. Ergo, I have just disproved peters claim. And as stated just because a poster is using his real name does not make the post credible. And how do you know that the name is real? Or is Peter saying tat only posts by those whom he know can be credible?
Peter, why don,t you count all the posts from those years nd present s with the data. Otherwise your clam is not credible.


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Posted by Peter Carpenter
a resident of Atherton
on Jan 20, 2013 at 2:30 pm

Peter Carpenter is a registered user.

"just because a poster is using his real name does not make the post credible"

No, but it DOES allow the reader to assess the value of the posting based on what is known about the poster - something which is impossible, by definition, for anonymous postings.


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Posted by Not an issue
a resident of Community Center
on Jan 20, 2013 at 2:45 pm

So, Peter is saying only if he knows the poster is his posting credible. How many of the posters on this forum does Peter know? How you assess postings is your prerogative, Peter, however do not lecture everyone how they should judge postings. I think people are intelligent enough to judge postings on this forum. You seem to feel that somehow you are superior to everyone and possess a greater level of intelligence.
Bottom line, I do know your style of postings and they hold little credibility for me. In fact I do not even know if you really exist.


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Posted by Peter Carpenter
a resident of Atherton
on Jan 20, 2013 at 2:53 pm

Peter Carpenter is a registered user.

It is not my opinion but rather the consensus of the scientific community is that:

""There are different elements that may comprise a person's credibility but, according to source credibility theory, the two elements most commonly identified are perceived expertise, and trustworthiness of the source."

Clearly anonymous postings cannot be a credible source of information since you cannot know anything about the expertise or the trustworthiness of the source since anonymity is specifically and solely used to protect the identity of the source.


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Posted by Not an issue
a resident of Community Center
on Jan 20, 2013 at 3:06 pm

Greshem's law deals with money, not Internet forums. Peter provides no links to his claims, to check to see if they are credible. Peter mentions a " scientific community"-- which community is he talking about? And in fact Peter states that his claim is a theory. Bottom line, peters claim above comes from someone without any expertise n the matter and cannot be considered to be credible.
Peter is making his ridulous claims not based on any personal expertise, but rather a biased view based on his self- claimed superiority.
How many posters on this forum does peters really know? Does anyone on this forum know who this Peter carpenter is?


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Posted by Peter Carpenter
a resident of Atherton
on Jan 20, 2013 at 3:17 pm

Peter Carpenter is a registered user.

Not an issue ignores the fact that an unknown source cannot have source credibility since the source is intentionally unknown.

I may no claim of superiority except in the understanding of basic logic.

If Not an issue fails to understand the applicability of Gresham's Law to this issue that is her problem, not mine.

^ Self, Charles C. "Credibility". In Salwen, Michael B.; Stacks, Don W. An Integrated approach to communication theory and research. pp. 424–5.
^ Kalbfleisch, Pamela J. (2003). Communication Yearbook. 27. pp. 297–299. ISBN 978-0-8058-4819-9.
^ Hovland, Carl I.; Weiss, Walter (1951). "The Influence of Source Credibility on Communication Effectiveness". Public Opinion Quarterly 15 (4): 635–650. doi:10.1086/266350.
^ a b Tellis, Gerald J. (2003). Effective Advertising: Understanding When, How, and Why Advertising Works. SAGE Publications. ISBN 978-0-7619-2253-7.


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Posted by Not an issue
a resident of Community Center
on Jan 20, 2013 at 3:33 pm

And Peter ignores the fact that if an anonymous poster provides links that are valid, that makes his posting credible. And rather than providing us with links to prove his claims, Peter provides us a list of references that say who knows what. Once again peters claims are not credible, thus once again proving that claims by a poster using any old name do not render them credible.
Not sure why Peter is so hung up on this " using a name " issue. If Peter feels so strongly about this matter than he should spend his time on a forum that only allows postersbthatnuse their real names. Of course if Peter does not know those posters, tha he will consider only his postings to be credible which IMHO is really what Peter is saying all along.
Does anyone on this forum even know if Peter carpenter is a real person


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Posted by Peter Carpenter
a resident of Atherton
on Jan 20, 2013 at 3:41 pm

Peter Carpenter is a registered user.

"if an anonymous poster provides links that are valid, that makes his posting credible."

No, that makes the links useful but does nothing to make the poster credible.

Web Link

Web Link


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Posted by Not an issue
a resident of Community Center
on Jan 20, 2013 at 4:12 pm

Boy, Peter, you are really tieing yourself into knots. Re-read my post, I stated that providing valid links makes the posting credible-- I said nothing about the poster. Anyway, everyone can decide what they believe to be credible-- you have your standards-- I think you are being presumptuous to decide for everyone what is " credible" or not.
And ,IMHO, I do not find peters postings to have any credibility whatsoever--- claiming a rule about only pertains to forums, making claims about a " scientific community", passing off theories as facts etc. just because a person uses a name of a member of the local community does not make his claims any more credible than an anonymous poster.


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Posted by Peter Carpenter
a resident of Atherton
on Jan 20, 2013 at 4:19 pm

Peter Carpenter is a registered user.

Search for Not an issue and you find zip.

Search for Peter Carpenter and you find facts that allow you to make an intelligent judgement about his credibility.

Simply choice.


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Posted by Not an issue
a resident of Community Center
on Jan 20, 2013 at 4:51 pm

You are correct, Peter, search for me and you will find zip. I do not need to search for a person namd Peter carpenter, I just need to read your comments on this thread to decide that your postings have no credibility whatsoever. However, that is my opinion, I will let others make their own judgement. Unlike, yourself who feels the need to tell everyone what they should consider to be credible or not. Seems a bit presumptuous, perhaps feed by a large sense of self- superiority or. A large ego or a need to control everything.


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Posted by Peter Carpenter
a resident of Atherton
on Jan 20, 2013 at 4:55 pm

Peter Carpenter is a registered user.

A simple choice - trust an unknown person or a known person who has provided evidentiary links as to his expertise and identity.

No need for further explanations or arguments.


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Posted by Not an issue
a resident of Community Center
on Jan 20, 2013 at 5:34 pm

I agree, Peter, let everyone make their own choice. No need to have former city officials lecture us about what they should consider to be credible.
Of course remember how lance Armstrong provided us with evidence of his identity nd expertise nd he recently admitted to being completely not credible.
My final comment--- just because a person uses his own name does not make his comments to be necessarily credible.


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Posted by Peter Carpenter
a resident of Atherton
on Jan 20, 2013 at 5:54 pm

Peter Carpenter is a registered user.



A simple choice - trust an unknown person or a known person who has provided evidentiary links as to his expertise and identity.

No need for further explanations or arguments.


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Posted by Not an issue
a resident of Community Center
on Jan 20, 2013 at 6:03 pm

You are repeating yourself, Peter. I am not sure why someone who uses his own name should automatically be trusted as being " credible". Seems to me that Peter does not trust people to make their own judgements about postings on this forum--- appears to a rather condescending position coming from someone who has a very high regard for his own writings and does not. Want them to be questioned.
I like to make my own judgements on postings-- I do not need former officials to tell what is or is not credible. I find peters postings to be not credible.


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Posted by Oh well, that's Peter
a resident of Adobe-Meadows
on Jan 20, 2013 at 6:05 pm

Peter can't help being a bit of an a** I'm afraid - that is a useful finding I get from following his postings over the years. Just like he is doing in this case. But at least he helpfully uses the same handle, so know that we are shaking our heads over the same person ;-)


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Posted by Pro forum
a resident of Crescent Park
on Jan 20, 2013 at 6:31 pm

I don't know who Peter Carpenter is in real life, as my only encounter with him is on this forum.

So if I used my real name, I'm wondering what value that would provide Peter and likeminded people. Would you google me? Would your opinion then change based on my address? My profession? My pedigree? Why not judge posters on their content rather than on who they are in the real world?


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Posted by Not an issue
a resident of Community Center
on Jan 20, 2013 at 6:53 pm

Pro forum--- that is exactly what Peter is saying-- he will check your pedigree and decide if your comments warrant being called " credible" . Naturally because of peters pedigree , all his posts are automatically considered to be " credible "


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Posted by Peter Carpenter
a resident of Atherton
on Jan 20, 2013 at 7:14 pm

Peter Carpenter is a registered user.

Feel free to post from the shadows.
And to be judged by your unknown expertise.


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Posted by Not an issue
a resident of Community Center
on Jan 20, 2013 at 7:28 pm

Thanks, Peter. I have no problem posting from the shadows--- you apparently do. You seem to feel the need to judge people based on their "expertise"--- I judge each post based on the content. You seem to feel the urge to use your past "accomplishments" as leverage to make the claim that your posts are automatically credible because you live in atherton.


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Posted by Peter Carpenter
a resident of Atherton
on Jan 20, 2013 at 7:34 pm

Peter Carpenter is a registered user.

Credibility comes from known accomplishments.

With anonymity there are no known accomplishments.


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Posted by Notan issue
a resident of Community Center
on Jan 20, 2013 at 7:41 pm

Credibility comes from what the post states, what proof the poster provides to back up the claims. Not sure how " accomplishments" give a poster carte Blanche to claim that everything he/she posts qualifies as being credible. Trying to link anonymity with the absurd claim that anything an anonymous poster writes has no credibility is ridulous. Sounds like the claim of a self-important individual, who enjoys looking down at the masses, while posting articles about themselves as "prof" that they are automatically an expert on everything. Some people are so full of themselves that they cannot stand the fact that someone is questioning their claims.


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Posted by Peter Carpenter
a resident of Atherton
on Jan 20, 2013 at 8:09 pm

Peter Carpenter is a registered user.

The reader will make their own judgement.


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Posted by Not an issue
a resident of Community Center
on Jan 20, 2013 at 8:18 pm

And that is what I have been saying all along, Peter, let each person make their own decision. Yet for some reason you did not accept that--- you made it sound like your claim about only " known" posters have credibility was etched in stone and brought down from Mt. Sinai!!!!!! Really, Peter, do you really mean to Insult the intelligence of the readers of this forum by claiming that only you know which posts are" credible"??? Just because The Almanac had your picture on their cover!!!! BTW, Peter do you keep that link handy to show off your "accomplishments" so that the unwashed masses will think you are "credible"??


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Posted by Peter Carpenter
a resident of Atherton
on Jan 20, 2013 at 8:39 pm

Peter Carpenter is a registered user.

Peter do you keep that link handy to show off your "accomplishments" so that the unwashed masses will think you are "credible"??

No.

And your's?


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Posted by Palo Parent
a resident of Greenmeadow
on Jan 20, 2013 at 8:52 pm

Neither of you two are helping your positions with this childish back and forth public ping pong match.

Just because someone posts something does not make them right, including my post. Some of know better than to take the bait that is offered.


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Posted by Not an issue
a resident of Community Center
on Jan 20, 2013 at 8:54 pm

I do need to brag about my "accomplishments" . I judge postings based on their content, not on the fact the poster was on the front cover of a local paper. I do not feel the need to lecture people on what is or is not credible. I do not feel the need to force my opinions on others. Any other questions, Peter?


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Posted by Peter Carpenter
a resident of Atherton
on Jan 20, 2013 at 9:05 pm

Peter Carpenter is a registered user.

"I do not feel the need to force my opinions on others"

I agree. Let each person choose between those who hide behind anonymity and those who have the courage tom post using their own name.


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Posted by poster
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Jan 20, 2013 at 9:44 pm



Peter Carpenter,

It says there are 25 Peter Carpenters on LinkedIn, which one are you?

How would I know who you are, even if you use your name. If I'm not sure, do I need to research your name further?

Imagine having to do due diligence on every name.

In this era of the free internets, with the exception of names easily identified for obvious notoriety, people aren't really looking to the name.

I may recognize names in sports because I enjoy sports, others may recognize names in hollywood. I have no idea who is who in Palo Alto with the exception of Steve JObs or Mark Zuckerberg.

SHould we also post our entire resumes to achieve the level of openness you desire?

I'm sorry to say, your name is Peter Carpenter, and I do not recognize it anymore than Not an issue, or Palo Parent of Chris Zaharias.

I don't think courage has anything to do with this issue.

Courage would be to actually DO something that matters to others, and stand up for something in other ways than contributing to the exchange on Palo Alto online. I do agree with whoever said that it's better if the exchange is respectful, and sticks to the point of the thread.


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Posted by Norman Carroll -used to be registered
a resident of Midtown
on Feb 12, 2013 at 4:22 pm

Still get

"You have entered an incorrect username
or password, please try again!"

when trying to log in when hitting the e-mail I get..........


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