Palo Alto ponders design of new bike bridge Around Town, posted by Editor, Palo Alto Online, on Dec 12, 2012 at 11:38 pm
Emboldened by a $4 million grant and a freshly completed master plan, Palo Alto is rolling ahead with design work on a new bike bridge that would span U.S. Highway 101 and give residents in the south end of the city a year-round connection to the Baylands.
[Web Link Palo Alto, Stanford win $10 million for bike bridge, trails]
Read the full story here Web Link posted Wednesday, December 12, 2012, 10:32 PM
Posted by Commuter, a resident of the South of Midtown neighborhood, on Dec 12, 2012 at 11:38 pm
The old Adobe Creek path has been closed all year and residents are using the dangerous San Antonio Road overpass instead. Build whatever can be finished soonest. Looks are a minor factor. A fancy bridge over an ugly highway is still going to be ugly, and noisy and smelly, because of the cars underneath.
Posted by Communter, a resident of another community, on Dec 13, 2012 at 5:51 am
The new bike bridge over 101 at Ralston in Belmont is very nice. Not too fancy, but not a concrete blank stare either. No point in rushing into an ugly design in order to get it built a few months sooner since we're all going to be looking at it for decades to come.
Posted by resident, a resident of the South of Midtown neighborhood, on Dec 13, 2012 at 7:19 am
If a prettier design only takes another month, then go ahead. Don't delay a full year or more for it, though. That new pedestrian bridge new Rengstorff in Mountain View supposedly cost cost well under $10 million and it doesn't look too bad.
Posted by fault, a resident of the Community Center neighborhood, on Dec 13, 2012 at 8:35 am
You got 4 million and you want the residence to pay for the rest! No wonder your budget is out of control. I bet your project will be over 10 millions by the time it's over. The city manager is in hiding these days???
Posted by Actual User, a resident of the Midtown neighborhood, on Dec 13, 2012 at 10:30 am
Can we just build the thing quickly and get it over with? I think there are more people that really need to use this bridge than people who are going to complain about its looks. If you build it, they will come.
Posted by Bridges are for transport, a resident of the South of Midtown neighborhood, on Dec 13, 2012 at 11:14 am
What makes a good bridge is how it safely and conveniently it connects people from one place to another. How safely and conveniently does it connect south PA bicyclists and pedestrians from the street and/or sidewalk to the bay trails they want to use? Our present connections are just awful. The San Antonio overpass is dirty, loud, windy, unsafe, downright scary for families with its fast-moving, trucks and cars barreling towardthe 101. The overpass provides no place for bikes. This is unacceptable.
Please get it done as quickly as possible, minimize cost and impact on baylands. We do not want an iconic structure. We NEED a functional bike/ped bridge. We have needed it for years. It would be helpful to see a rendering of what Commissioner Keller has proposed. I find it difficult to evaluate his proposal from what I have read here.
PTC members, this is about a critical TRANSPORTATION connection. I see little evidence in this discussion that you have ridden the Lefkowitz Tunnel and/or San Antonio overpass and related bay trails. from south PA. Please do so. It will inform your understanding of how bicyclists coming from Charleston, Bayshore, East Meadow, Fabian...and more broadly south and west quadrants of Palo Alto (where I live and commute from) will use it. We need this VERY badly.
Posted by Resident, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood, on Dec 13, 2012 at 11:37 am
What strikes me as noteworthy is that this bridge does not need to cost Palo Alto a lot more money than the $4m grant. We should try and see if Google or any of the other businesses are willing to contribute to the cost of this bridge as it is very likely their employees who will be using the bridge more than anyone else on a regular basis.
A pleasing design is one thing, but it will hardly be a gateway to Palo Alto as it is mainly Palo Altans who will be using it. The bridge should be practical more than anything else, and not an expensive piece of artwork. Look at the bottom line for once, Palo Alto.
Posted by Hmmm, a resident of East Palo Alto, on Dec 13, 2012 at 11:39 am
Given how much Google offshored into tax shelters, they can cough up the bucks for it. Or ask Marky Mark & his funky bunch at Facebook. Time for corporate welfare recipients to give back to the community!
Posted by John Galt, a resident of the Fairmeadow neighborhood, on Dec 13, 2012 at 11:53 am
"Dangerous San Antonio Road overpass" ????
Have YOU ever used it? There is a sidewalk all the way across! I have biked and walked it HUNDREDS of times over the last 40 years and seem to have survived the death dealing overpass. Gimme a break! We don't need to spend 2-6 million dollars for the Liz Kniss Commerative bridge!
Posted by Lets be Real here, a resident of the South of Midtown neighborhood, on Dec 13, 2012 at 12:07 pm
If the City has already promised one million to go witht he four million that should be it. If we can't build a bike bridge for five million dollars what a joke. We dont have any money to spend so lets no spend any more than we have to in order to accomplish this.
Posted by dave, a resident of the Downtown North neighborhood, on Dec 13, 2012 at 12:19 pm
Another project without a source for the over $6 million to complete it, but the City continues to spend taxpayers' money to build it. I guess all it takes is for 40 or 50 bicyclists to lean heavily on the Council and City Manager, and the sky's the limit. I wonder how many council members will contribute to its cost?
An estimate was made that >70,000 people would use it each year. For 365 days that is about 80 plus round trips per day. With 62,000 residents that is a very expensive bridge for a few users. (I do recognize that it might be used more heavily on a weekend, but the principle's the same.)
Was this in the Infrastructure Blue Ribbon Commission report? Not that I know of. So the back log grows, maintenance and upkeep of another structure adds to our budget, and no money identified to cover the additional cost. What a way to run a business.
Posted by Scott McMahon, a resident of Menlo Park, on Dec 13, 2012 at 12:47 pm
The new bridge at over 101 near Ralston Ave in Belmont is curvy and beautiful, but it's a rotten bike bridge. The pathway is narrow and the curves make it dangerous at more than 5 mph, which is deadly slow coming down from it's high arched peak.
A pretty bridge is OK by me, but please talk to some serious bike riders and take a ride over the Belmont bridge to see what's wrong with it before finalizing the design. Let's don't lose sight of what the bridge is for. As Wright's motto goes, "Form follows Function."
Posted by Nick Baldo, a resident of Menlo Park, on Dec 13, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Whatever you do, please don't choose something that adds a bunch of unnecessary curls and turns for aesthetic reasons. Those of us trying to get somewhere appreciate a relatively direct path. Kudos to the city for making this happen!
Posted by musical, a resident of the Palo Verde neighborhood, on Dec 13, 2012 at 4:46 pm
Bicycles and pedestrians should have separate bridges, or we'll end up requiring cyclists to walk their bikes again like the Cal Ave underpass or Oregon/101 bridge. What is the proposed bike speed limit on this new bridge when pedestrians are present?
Posted by Midtown Biker, a resident of the Midtown neighborhood, on Dec 13, 2012 at 5:28 pm
I am all in favor of improving roads for bikers, but I wish there was some way to get office buildings to treat us better at the end of the commute! The building manager at Four Seasons office complex seems determined to make sure bicycles are treated as third class citizens next to cars.
How can we encourage more bicycle commuting if the road ends in a locked garage?
Posted by Lance, a resident of the Barron Park neighborhood, on Dec 15, 2012 at 4:21 am
I know there's overhead and things are tight, and that PA wants to do the best, but I've been commuting for years from PA through the Baylands, waiting and waiting for improvement - only to see us (at least those of us in South PA) fall behind most other progressive cities.
They Baylands themselves, and the business reachable through the Baylands (especially with Moffet opening up it's trails), offers PA a nice opportunity to enrich the lifestyle of its residents.
It doesn't have to cost that much, doesn't even need to be grand, I don't even care if it's dirt - just a reasonably close pass. The underpass was fine most of the time (except after a heavy rain) - still doesn't make sense to me why we didn't just keep that open.
The San Antonio overpass is not fine - not suitable for kids, or anyone, without Frogger-like reflexes willing to play timing games with the cars exiting 101 at high speeds, or face battle with big-rig trucks drifting towards your narrow sidewalk pinched against the guardrail.
If PA insits on replacing the underpass with an overpass, do it like MV just did to the south - it is more than sufficient, constructed in a more challenging space, and it didn't take nearly that long.
And if it's really not going to be done until 2017, then let us just use the underpass again!