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"Another student wrote: 'Unless you go to Stanford, MIT, Caltech, Princeton, etc., you will never again be around people as smart as those at Gunn. Enjoy it and take advantage of it.'"
It's sad how true this is. At Paly my year, every student who took BC Calc scored a 5 on the AP test. The average SAT in our class was probably over 2300. (At Stanford, the average SAT is around 2170.) Even at most of those "top" schools possibly with the exception of MIT/Caltech you'd be surprised to see find that the Paly/Gunn graduates are at the top of their classes.
93% of PAUSD students saying that they were prepared academically when they went off to college (the job of our high schools) is phenomenal. 68% percent said the same socially; that seems like a favorable vote too but even if seems low to some last I looked students' social lives are mostly after school, not in school.
Look at all the favorable things students said about AP classes too:
"AP coursework is important" "The single class at Gunn that prepared me best for college was APUSH." "I think very fondly on my experiences at Gunn, especially in the AP classes I got to take" "Take all the APs you can handle-they help a lot in first-year classes. Whatever struggles you put into AP classes in high school, your college classes will be that much easier!" "Take as many challenging classes as you possibly can because it will make college easier and you get to expand your limits." "Classes like APUSH and AP English will help you with that transition" "Taking AP classes and the AP exams helps you get used to the formats in many tests, especially in essay-writing exams, so do that if possible." "Take AP tests in science (Biology, Chemistry, Physics C). These will help you a lot in college." "inform students the convenient, academically responsible and time saving elements of AP courses."
One student pushed for more APs in the humanities.
Only one disparaged APs; they "will either bring down your grade or make you work harder for it" advising high school students to take the "easiest classes you can to get a perfect GPA."
While I'm glad students are well prepared academically - I'm really concerned about the following comments:
Paly is insane. The study culture is very messed up and most of the students are so highly pressurized that of course they're going to pop.
It isn't normal in most places to lose about a kid a semester to suicide.
But if you get through that powder keg, college will be okay.
panic about it too hard.
"You've been through the worst; now it has to get better. God I hope this thing is anonymous."
As a Paly graduate who is currently attending Stanford, I think academic experiences tend to be 100% what students make of them, i.e. very few people have identical experiences in high school / college. I didn't stress too much at Paly - I worked VERY hard, to be sure (and got good grades/SAT scores, etc.), but from the start I convinced myself that I was doing all that for myself, not to compare myself to the others around me and definitely not study to appease my parents. I think that was the key in keeping a solid head through my academic years. Even now at Stanford, it's astonishing to see how different people react to academic stress - I may have a lower GPA than those people who study and stress out 24/7, but I feel like I'm happier here. College has been a wonderful experience and I really think that anyone can have a great time at any college if they look hard enough to find where they will fit in (chances are, there are people who really want to meet you all over the world!). For current students - chin up!
That being said, I also think saying that people aren't smart at other colleges unless they're at top-tier schools isn't accurate at all. I have met plenty of people here who I feel do not deserve to be here (NOT based on smarts - based on motivation, wanting to face Stanford as a positive learning experience), and I know plenty of other students at other, not so prestigious schools who perform excellently in academics and go on to go to top tier med schools, law schools, business schools, get the best jobs, etc. There is absolutely no accurate way to correlate someone's success in life/academics and the college they go to.
A lot of these kids, my son included, have or had no social life while at Paly, due to all the homework. The purpose of a social life is to give you social skills that will serve you well in the future.
Personally, I often feel that the homework overload is a cop-out by the teachers who don't have enough instruction time in the school day, and so assign the work to the kids to do at home what should have been done at school.
Most college kids go to school far away from home, no supervision, live in dorms, and just aren't ready for all that it implies. They are in a strange state in which they do not have much responsibility, in terms of supporting themselves, but they still have to deal with real-life issues daily, such as drugs, alcohol, completing projects on time, and getting sufficient sleep in spite of it all.
No high school anywhere prepares them for that. The after-school life does, but most of our kids do not have one, other than after-school sports or clubs. Basically, it is the school,of hard knocks after that, which has a steep learning curve.
I would assume that parents are the best instructors of what to expect in college, in the non-academic sense. I did a lot of "confessing" to my son about my life in a college dorm, so he would have a clue.
So few of my son's college friends were prepared to do simple things like keep track of the balance in their checking accounts, do laundry, paying bills (and parking tickets) on time . . . we as parents need to do a better job of preparing our kids for college in these areas, but it sure would be nice if the schools could assist at some level.
There are several comments concerning the relevancy of the mandatory Living Skills class. I have yet to speak to one student who learned anything new in this class or felt it was a good use of their time. A Living Skills class has merit but the skills taught must be pertinent for today's students. This class needs to be updated to include basic financial literacy (balancing a checkbook, fundamentals of borrowing and buying on credit, etc.) and other actual skills students need at college or in the workplace (not all students will go onto college).
> balancing a checkbook,
We learned how to do that in our 7th Grade math class. Shouldn't this be something that parents should be responsible for, or at least have a couple of videos on the PAUSD web-site to deal with this sort of thing?
A few years a ago a Paly teacher (who no longer teaches Living Skills) taught the kids about doing taxes, changing a tire, etc. They spend a lot of time on sex ed in Living Skills, not that we don't want our children to be safe, but we don't exactly have a big teen pregnancy problem in Palo Alto. We do have mostly sheltered kids who don't have much spare time for chores and jobs because they are busy building their "college resumes".
It would be nice if Living Skills actually taught skills for life after Paly and Gunn!
What an interesting article. It would be nice if they could publish feedback from PAUSD alums every year to help the current PAUSD students and the School Board.
They should just take 2-3 weeks out of P.E. class to teach Living Skills, and as others have noted, they should improve it and teach things like: how to write a check, how to deposit a check, how to write a thank you note, basic etiquette, social skills, office politics, interviewing for a job, resumes, along with the sex ed and anti-drug information. Our kids don't have a lot of time and to require them to take this class for graduation takes time from other resume-building or academic activities.
This isn't a new thing. I graduated from Paly in 1983 and went through Cornell Engineering in 3 years. It was easy because I ddn't have to do things I was not as good at like Spanish and English except for two clases my first year. From a social perspective, I stayed an additional year to get my MENG EE for social reasons. I wanted to play another year in the Cornell Univeristy Big Red Marching Band and graduate with the frahman classmates I came in with. Fortunately, when I returned home, HP payed more for people who worked summers there and had a Master degree so it worked out professionally as well. I think I'm a much better engineer and person due to all the poetry, prose, art, music, history and foreign language I encouraged myself to do my best at at Paly.
Who under 40 balances a checkbook? That is for Mint to do automatically!
how sad that only 70% feel socialy prepared - get off your phone, ipod, computer and put the boos away for a while and get out and interact with real people!!
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