Town Square

Post a New Topic

Shortfall in California’s Budget Swells to $16 Billion

Original post made by @Resident, Midtown, on May 12, 2012

Am I the only person who is terrified with the news that the CA budget deficit swells to $16b from the projected $9b at the beginning of the year? Here is Gov. Brown explaining it:

Web Link

I have no problem with paying more taxes. But I am 100% sure that it will not solve the deficit problem. The pressure groups will force the government to spend the extra income in new programs. What do you think?


Comments (13)

 +   Like this comment
Posted by Lynn
a resident of South of Midtown
on May 12, 2012 at 5:48 pm

More alarmist talk from Moonbeam.

If the average school class size goes back up to what it was 30 years ago, the world will not fall apart (it didn't then!). If we don't get high speed rail, is that a disaster? If public employee unions are outlawed, as both both FDR and Reagan implored, that is a huge win for most of us. If we don't fund public libraries, but use the Internet, instead, so what? And... so much more in the same sense.

The one thing that will avoid a serious look at how our state does business, is to give it more money via taxes. A one word warning: Greece. Just say NO!!!


 +   Like this comment
Posted by Ronnie's farm
a resident of Green Acres
on May 12, 2012 at 6:05 pm

"If public employee unions are outlawed, as both both FDR and Reagan implored"

Nice rewrite of history.

It was REAGAN who signed the California law, as governor, legislation that established collective bargaining for all the state's municipal and country employees.

Also famously said: "...where free unions and collective bargaining are forbidden, freedom is lost."

St Ronnie couldn't get elected dog-catcher in today's republican party.

Guess who...

* had been a Socialism-loving Democrat for 13 years before becoming a Republican?
* had once been a member of a Far Left wing organization that was on an FBI watch list for being Communistic?
* had been a union leader- for one of the largest unions in the country?
* later became an FBI informant, secretly reporting on his former friends?
* became involved with corrupt mob-connected unions?
* had signed into law a sweeping anti-gun bill for his state?
* had signed into the largest single tax increase in the history of any state in the US- $1 billion in one step?
* brought both moderates and liberals into his campaign and after victory gave them top jobs in his administration?
* had, as governor, signed legislation that established collective bargaining for all the state's municipal and country employees?
* had once declared that civil right legislation must be enforced " at the point of a bayonet if necessary"?
* supported Affirmative Action?





 +   Like this comment
Posted by Lynn
a resident of South of Midtown
on May 12, 2012 at 7:24 pm

Reagan fired PATCO strikers...enough said on that subject. The world did not fall apart, either.

Do the right thing, and vote NO on Moonbeam's demand for even more money from California citizens!


 +   Like this comment
Posted by common sense
a resident of Midtown
on May 13, 2012 at 7:09 am

Governor Brown proposed the $9 billion in tax increases to cover the $9 billion in the state budget deficit, to avoid cuts in education & public safety. Now new projections say the state budget deficit is $16 billion - so where are the addtional $7 billion in spending cuts going to come from?

Governor Brown continues to fund High Speed Rail, which means he places a higher priority on a fast train than education. He continues to fund various "green" initiatives, again at the cost education.

Where are our state legislatures, Joe Simitian & Rich Gordon? Supporting the cuts to education by prioritizing the funding of high speed rail and these various green initiatives ahead of the cuts to education.

I won't vote for either Joe or Rich, who act like they don't need to represent their districts, and act more like princes in monarchy.


 +   Like this comment
Posted by Kate
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on May 13, 2012 at 7:54 am

Could we ask for 'foreign aid' from Mexico to help support their citizens flooding into California and draining our prison system, schools, welfare, and social services? And I presume the Weekly will delete this idea as 'offensive'.


 +   Like this comment
Posted by Ronnie's farm
a resident of Green Acres
on May 13, 2012 at 9:43 am

"to help support their citizens flooding into California"

Nice rewrite.

from Fox

"Net Migration From Mexico Has Stopped: Pew

By Steve Goldstein, Published April 23, 2012, MarketWatch Pulse

WASHINGTON – Net migration from Mexico to the United States has stopped and may have even reversed, the Pew Hispanic Center said Monday, citing an analysis of both U.S. and Mexican data..."

Read more: Web Link


 +   Like this comment
Posted by Lynn
a resident of South of Midtown
on May 13, 2012 at 10:17 am

It would be interesting to hear from Stephen Levy on this subject. I just read some of his previous posts. He is a tax and spender Democrat, no doubt. Has he had enough, yet? Where does he think the $16B will come from?


 +   Like this comment
Posted by Kate
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on May 13, 2012 at 2:22 pm

Great if the northward immigration flood is diminishing. But there are millions of illegals in California, Texas, the Carolinas,and other states already here and having children.. Remember that years ago Congress declared that anyone BORN child of immigrant parents from any country), is automatically an American citizen. Also the Latinos have larger families - so I've read.The state health insurance Medicaid is strained to the limit. Get the statistics for hospitals in Southern California!! especially Obstetric Departments. So are schools which are getting bad scores because of the necessity to provide classrooms where there are multiple languages spoken- Arabic, Spanish, Mandarin, Cantonese,Indian, Tagalog, and others along with English. And now the State is considering given worker permits to illegal immigrants. (See today's Mercury News).


 +   Like this comment
Posted by @Resident
a resident of Midtown
on May 13, 2012 at 3:27 pm

I did a little investigation of the CA budget in the last 10 years using data from the government web site:
Web Link
I plotted the top 5 budget items and along with population. The top budget items are Education, Other spending, Healthcare, Protection (police,etc.) and Welfare. Some interesting results:
- CA population in the past 10 years has slowest growth relative to any line item expenditure. So, something else is going up other than inflation. Note that inflation in the past 10 years in U.S. has been very low.
- Cost of education has steadily gone up far above the rate of population growth. So, this thing about not spending on Education does not seem right.
- Same results for 'Other spending' category. OK, someone is spending money higher per capita every year. Mr/s Representative, can you explain that!
- Everyone talks about the cost of health care going up. We know that. But so does the cost of Education and 'Other spending' going up roughly @ the same rate. How come no one is talking about cost of Education?
- Something happened in 2007 about Welfare spending. It kept going up for about 4 years (faster than the rate of any other expenditure). It has stabilized in the past two years. We have become very generous in the past six years.
- We only an across the board cut of less than 4% to regain a balance budget.
- I think, the bottom line is that there is still a lot of opportunities to cut the expenditure in all categories. I don't think anyone will be harmed, our children (those who want) will get educated (preferably in a single language), and the crime rate will not go up. I don't have problem taxing the rich, but that is NOT going to solve our problem by itself.


 +   Like this comment
Posted by Ronnie's farm
a resident of Green Acres
on May 13, 2012 at 6:46 pm

Amazing.

After a post that links to facts "Net migration from Mexico to the United States HAS STOPPED and may have even REVERSED" (my emphasis)

someone can't accept it and posts "great IF the northward immigration flood is DIMINISHING"

Wow.

The one I like even better is the slam on 'evil congress': "Remember that years ago Congress declared that anyone BORN child of immigrant parents from any country), is automatically an American citizen."

You remember the Constitution and something called a "natural-born citizen"?

Since 1868: "Since the adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment to the constitution on July 9, 1868, the citizenship of persons born in the United States has been controlled by its Citizenship Clause, which states: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."


 +   Like this comment
Posted by Ronnie's farm
a resident of Green Acres
on May 13, 2012 at 7:24 pm

"Reagan < amnestied illegal immigrants > ...enough said on that subject. The world did not fall apart, either."

Immigration_Reform_and_Control_Act_of_1986 Web Link


 +   Like this comment
Posted by Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on May 13, 2012 at 9:18 pm


In the past Canada was a major trading partner with California

No more says WSJ

"For almost a century, Canada's economy has been firmly tethered to its much larger southern neighbor.
Now, Canadian officials and executives also are betting their future on China."

Web Link


Instead our major underground commodity partners is now the narco terrorists Latin America


We need get rid of the incompetent fools in Sacramento and elect people who further American interests


 +   Like this comment
Posted by Ronnie's farm
a resident of Green Acres
on May 14, 2012 at 10:37 am

Sharon skips the money line, as always. From the article:

"Climbing oil production in the U.S. is upending American demand for Canadian hydrocarbons. That has spooked Ottawa, suddenly worried about finding buyers for its own growing crude exports, almost all of which now flows... < to China >"

Drill baby drill and our higher domestic oil production means we import less, so Canada sells elsewhere.

Sharon's interpretation: "it's the fools in Sac-town, it's their 'fault'"

Drill baby drill doesn't work. Domestic oil production is at it's highest in years. It hasn't lowered oil prices as promised. Now Sharon is blaming CA politicians for Canada selling it's oil to China.

Huh?

That is some really twisted thinking.


Don't miss out on the discussion!
Sign up to be notified of new comments on this topic.

Email:


Post a comment

Posting an item on Town Square is simple and requires no registration. Just complete this form and hit "submit" and your topic will appear online. Please be respectful and truthful in your postings so Town Square will continue to be a thoughtful gathering place for sharing community information and opinion. All postings are subject to our TERMS OF USE, and may be deleted if deemed inappropriate by our staff.

We prefer that you use your real name, but you may use any "member" name you wish.

Name: *

Select your neighborhood or school community: * Not sure?

Comment: *

Verification code: *
Enter the verification code exactly as shown, using capital and lowercase letters, in the multi-colored box.

*Required Fields

Mixx, Scott's Seafood replacement, opens in Mountain View
By Elena Kadvany | 14 comments | 3,230 views

Ten Steps to Get Started with Financial Aid
By John Raftrey and Lori McCormick | 1 comment | 2,212 views

To Cambodia With Love
By Laura Stec | 4 comments | 2,051 views

All Parking Permits Should Have a Fee
By Steve Levy | 23 comments | 1,713 views

Early Campaign Notes: City Council
By Douglas Moran | 5 comments | 563 views