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Republicans win key US Senate election in Massachusetts

Original post made by Sharon, Midtown, on Jan 19, 2010


This is the BBC Web Link

This is huge, Obama staked his reputation by campaigning in MA this weekend.

How can a politician go from a 30% lead to a humiliating loss in 30 days?.
Something is happening of epic proportions, fortunately it will not effect Palo Alto politics, we are better than that.

The ramifications for the Senate are still unknown.

It would be interesting to have a poll of how Palo Altans feel about this.

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Posted by Sam
a resident of Midtown
on Jan 19, 2010 at 8:07 pm

If Brown and his daughter take on Obama and one of his home boys in a basketball game, they can probably raise enough money, in ticket sales, to pay for the Haiti relief effort! Odds: 6 to 5 in favor of Brown and daughter...both of them are downtown shooters.


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Posted by Jarred
a resident of Midtown
on Jan 19, 2010 at 8:51 pm

Fantastic news. The end of the rightly despised ObamaCare bill, which ought to please the close to 65% of Americans who are against it. Oh, who am I kidding--the Dems will ram ObamaCare through via some desperately sleazy trick before Brown is seated. But so long, Cap'n'Trade, we barely knew ye. Hello, November elections! Can't wait to see Boxer go down in blue flames.

Apparently Obama, instead of accepting a much needed clue from Brown's epic victory, will double down on his collectivist, deficit-swelling, graft-generating policies. This will only balloon his margin of defeat to any ambulatory biped in 2012.


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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on Jan 19, 2010 at 9:10 pm

Hopefully Obama will learn from this that his job is to represent the interests of all Americans not just the 50% who elected him.

The loss in MA is hugue, and a prediction for both the mid term elections and those in California


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Posted by George
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Jan 19, 2010 at 9:31 pm

If Obama "doubles down" and becomes combative, he is finished as a political figure in the US. Obama ran as a gentle, consensus builder. Those that studied his background new this was a facade. Chicago style politics don't work in a system that's defined by a voter base that's 40 Democrat, 43% Republican, and 17% Independent/Confused/Apathetic.

It'd be great to see Obama sent home to be Tony Rezko's neighbor again in just 36 months. He could get started early on his Presidential library.


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Posted by Anon.
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jan 19, 2010 at 9:32 pm

Sharon. This win tells me two things, none of which is about Obama.

1) The democrats were stupid to spend so much time bickering amongst themselves on the health care bill. And

2) Americans (no matter their political persuasion) have become a completely impatient lot.

Both of the above apply. They are not mutually exclusive.


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Posted by George
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Jan 19, 2010 at 10:15 pm

Tonight is the first night of the march to break down the construction of new entitlement programs. Let's hope that it's also the first night in the march to shrink and dismantle the existing entitlement programs that will ultimately strangle our nation's economic competitiveness in its maturing years.


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Posted by Sam
a resident of Midtown
on Jan 20, 2010 at 12:40 am

Curt Schilling is NOT a Yankees fan!

That was not only one of the great political bloopers in U.S. history, but it also demonstrated a complete lack of touch with the people. Coakley is an elitist that got justly thumped.


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Posted by hmmm
a resident of Meadow Park
on Jan 20, 2010 at 4:19 am

I am jumping up and down with happiness.

For Brown to win in MASSACHUSSETTS is all about thumping socialism.

We are nation built on the belief in individual ability, with each one reaping his own rewards and consequences.

We are not a nation built on an almost genetic faith in the king, or government, to "take care of us" and protect us from our actions,..nor take what we have earned through risk and/or hard work. That genetic line evolved into one of individual independence, then broke from the former in the Revolution. Apparently it is still the dominant voting gene, and has been awakened with roar, even in the most diehard democrat state in the nation.

Wow.

Now if we can 1) keep the momentum going and 2) keep the newly elected's feet to the fire and not let them turn into big govt elitists again.

This may not be about Obama, but it is CERTAINLY about the hard left turn of our country, led by Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Frank, Dodd, etc.

I hope we DON'T get a conservative House majority in the next election, because I want the Dems to completely own everything they do America must learn what the results are of left wing policies.

If the Repubs take the house back over like in '94, we will end up with a Clinton situation, where the Dems got all the "credit" for all the good the right wing did ( and Clinton wisely went along with it, putting his finger in the air and declaring the era of "big govt" is over). And we will have an Obama second term, who will fight every thing the conservatives are trying to do and blame the Repubs for all the troubles of the nation, like Clinton blamed Repubs for any of the problems the left created under him, and took credit for all that went well.

Whoever runs the House runs the nation, unless we have a hugely popular Reagan type, who can use the sheer will of the people to overrule the worst of the Congress.

If conservatives don't take the House back yet, then we will have a Carter situation, where the American people will pay for the left wing's policies and throw out Obama.

THEN we can pull a hard right shift and get the country back on track.








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Posted by Frank
a resident of Barron Park
on Jan 20, 2010 at 8:59 am

Hmmm,

Socialism does not exist in America today. A hard left does not exist. The dems are all centrists, and the repubs are all far right wing or worse.

Hard to tell what will happen in the medium term, though the long-term republican drive to create haves and havenots is still paying off and will eventually (max 12 years) lead to a left turn by the country no matter what happens to Obamacare in the short term. The republicans are building a huge impoverished class that is, let's be frank, still a little (politically) stupid and ignorant. Give them some time with poverty and appalling healthcare, and they are likely to wise up.


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Posted by YesWeCan
a resident of Adobe-Meadows
on Jan 20, 2010 at 2:35 pm

Wow, so much for the stereotype of liberal Palo Alto. What is this, the Fox News chat room?

Anyway, the three main things going on here: 1) yes, as our socialist-hating friends have pointed out, some voters do appear exasperated with all the attention devoted to healthcare at a time when they're more concerned with jobs and feeding their families, 2) when the economy's bad, people get angry with whoever's in power--see Ronald Reagan early 1980s, and 3) Coakley thought she had the thing sewn up and was an inept candidate with her tone-deaf, Red Sox fan-offended remarks; it was kind of like the hare getting over-confident, going to sleep, and then being beat by the hard-working tortoise.

This country always moves back to the center. The Newt Gingrich "revolution" of 1994 was followed by a Bill Clinton re-election. The allegedly permanent embrace of the right by the US during the W. years was followed by the election of Obama. And lest anyone think 2008 marked the beginning of a long-term re-alignment to the left, it now seems pretty clear that Americans remain suspicious of high-spending big government.

Sorry guys, I know you're all drooling at your fantasies that the country is lurching back to the right and that your hero Sarah Palin will triumphantly stride into the White House in 2012. But do you think Obama is just going to ignore what happened here? He's much too smart for that, and in your heart, you surely know that. All he has to do is tack a bit back to the center, as all presidents do, let the economy improve--which it certainly will in the next three years, and all will be fine. His interview with Stephanopolous today already showed that he knows how to handle this.

You say people are so angry now... but Obama's approval rating is still at 50%?! Wait and see how high it will bounce when people are *not* so angry any more.

The 2008 election didn't necessarily mean a permanent shift to liberalism. But it did show that the party and candidate who can appeal to more than southern white men will be the winners in the 21st century. Sorry, guys, you're gonna have to wait until 2016 before you get a chance again.


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Posted by Sam
a resident of Midtown
on Jan 20, 2010 at 5:27 pm

"But do you think Obama is just going to ignore what happened here?"

I have never been impressed by the supposed intelligence of Obama. He is an opportunist, and he is light skinned Negro with no Negro dialect. Harry Reid got it right. Obama should not be serving coffee to Bill Clinton, but he does not seem to have a core sense of values. He will probably test the waters of whatever his advisors tell him to step in, but he will not know what is the best way to go. He has never really been tested. He will crumble, because he doesn't know who he really is.

I feel sorry for him. He is a congenial guy, but he is in way over his head.


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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on Jan 20, 2010 at 5:50 pm

Obama is a smart politician and a very likable guy, it is just his policies that are so unpopular.He will dump them in a heartbeat to win--well maybe after a decent interval-- 2 days or so

Today he took Brown MA close, threw the health care under the bus and did a version of his beer summit.
Obama will plan to have Brown as his running mate in 1012, Biden and Pelosi have got him nothing, he will go with the money and the power as he always has--- that is politics-- it is what it is and he is what he is, a politician and a very talented one.


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Posted by maguro_01
a resident of Mountain View
on Jan 20, 2010 at 8:36 pm

There was apparently both more and less than meets the eye in the Mass election. The Dems fielded a lazy and sub par candidate who thought she could just inherit Kennedy's seat. Kennedy could deliver for Mass where any new Senator can not. The Reps were able to capitalize on that especially after raising in recent weeks, I believe it was around $12 million on the Web and thousands of volunteers from outside the state. That was possible because other elections were not taking place and the possibility of cutting the Dems below the 60 seat figure in the Senate.

The Republicans using their Confederate style divide and conquer politics have convinced numbers of older people that their actual life spans depend on uninsured people remaining uninsured. That is, that their life spans are a zero sum game with others including substantial numbers of children. It's surprising how many people are quite frank about this on questioning.

Leaving aside the first considerations that come to mind, what are the facts? First, they are incorrect. The medical care system we have now took up around 17% GDP in 2009. That is not sustainable, especially now. Finance and medical care may eat up 1/4 US GDP this year. These folks are going to have their "death panels" after all running invisibly on computers halfway around the world programmed by people who have no stake in the matter except for the profits of their employer. Second, the people they are alienating and depriving are the very ones who will likely end up taking care of them when they get to that point. Oops.

If their life spans are a zero sum game with others it's because enough older people were suckered into voting to set things up that way. What goes around comes around is an absolutely iron law in such matters. Karl Rove has conned our Tea Partyers into drinking the KoolAide.

Republican politics are still divide and conquer with a Libertarian facade falsified by the politics. Their economics are still writing rubber checks for the few and turning the USA into a big Ponzi scheme (aka "Voodoo Economics", Bush I). But our biggest problem remains our pay-to-play political system that compromises both democracy and capitalism/markets. Our too big to fail major banks are making huge profits as hedge funds shorting and selling off the USA and are freezing out the Main Street that provides jobs and has to revive the economy. They have bought Congress, especially the Republicans.

They are also setting us firmly on the path to IMF control and a time of serious deprivation like Indonesia and Russia. In those cases politics and money were so intertwined that they could no longer govern themselves and were about to fall off a cliff. Also the miscreants are rich enough to live anywhere and usually willing to do so. The US is playing the too big to fail game but it won't work that much longer, especially with the rise of the BRIC countries and the EU along with the US taking a dive in the economic wars with China.

Be careful of what you wish for.....


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Posted by Sam
a resident of Midtown
on Jan 20, 2010 at 8:43 pm

The Dems refused to even consider tort reform, to contain costs of defensive medicine. Howard Dean admited that it was becasue the trial lawyers control the Democratic Party.

Go back to the drawing board, maguro.


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Posted by taking the pulse
a resident of Meadow Park
on Jan 20, 2010 at 10:11 pm

socialism doesn't exist in America?

wow. I stopped reading that post when I read that.

Brown just won because his opponent was lazy and incompetent? wow. ok.
I stopped reading that post when I read that.

Bottom line: And economically conservative and strong on defense Republican ran on the promise to be the 41st "no" vote against all the far left is trying to do in this country.


And WON is a State that is 3:1 Dems to Repubs.

That says it all.






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Posted by maguro_01
a resident of Mountain View
on Jan 21, 2010 at 3:29 am

If Brown is an actual Conservative, and he says he is, there is no real place for him among the national Republicans. They call people like him RINOS and want to run them out. Of course he will be welcomed very conspicuously at this time and they will recognize that he's the best they can do in Massachusetts. But a center/right conservative has no place any more in a captured party that is now trying to move the center out near Henry VIII. Remember that one of his arguments against the Senate's medical care plan is that Massachusetts already has such a plan and the Federal one is more expensive. I don't know that one way or another myself, but not many posters here can take away much from the election of the new Senator. Traditional Republicans might but they have little or no influence in that party today.

ps - Tort reform would be a great idea if we had universal coverage so someone that got wrecked could survive and wouldn't need so much. But we don't.

If we want tort reform we have to fix this too - Web Link .

Tort reform is needed but it's a chicken/egg problem at this point.

Also just wait until insurance companies get DNA information and your genome becomes a pre existing condition. Using one's DNA as data for individuated medical care obviously could be a huge advance in costs and effectiveness especially with California's diverse population. But the insurance company problem will probably short circuit any real use of it. Single-payer insurance would be an enabler. IMHO, without it people had better keep their DNA to themselves.


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Posted by no
a resident of Meadow Park
on Jan 21, 2010 at 5:54 am

No, an ACTUAL conservative is economically and governmentally conservative, which means that s/he wants us to have local govt rule over central, ie a "Republic"...

RINOs are folks who have been pretending to be Republican, but grow our DC Fed gov..they are "Republican" over a social issue, or maybe in strong security, but in all else they want bigger and bigger central govt.

Which is precisely what the Dems always want...bigger govt.

Repubs lost the people's confidence because they were ruled by RINOs.

How many time did we hear the anger of people at the Repubs increasinng our national debt? ( People always blame whoever the President is, regardless of who runs Congress).

And yet within one year it is 4 times what it was in the former year. All borrowed and printed from our grandchildren..all destroying the confidence of the rest of the world in our ability to recover economically and engine the world back to prosperity.

Web Link

How many times did we hear the anger about how expensive insurances were, how few choices we had because we were stuck with our State mandated type insurances, how sick we were of lawsuits that did nothing by hassle medical providers and raise everyone's rates, how sick we were of paying for health care and education for people who paid nothing into the system...

And yet what is this Admin trying to do? Make all the above worse.

There is sane, healthy reform which can preserve the good and help fix the parts that don't work. Unfortunately, the current Admin has done all it can to turn our system into one just like other country's systems, which we don't want. They are doing all they can, Clowen-Piven style, to "break the system" so that it has to become all under the govt control. Both Congressional and Senate bills increase costs to those who work, "favor" those who supported Obama in the election ( why do Union members have exceptions to the 40% tax on their health benefits??hmmmm) and push our country ever closer to one where CONNECTIONS count more than individual work.

The Boston Tea Party has said "no".

Even they, having lived now with their version of "Obamacare" for the last few years and seeing the results, are saying "stop".

Even they are saying...don't destroy our individual ablitiy to choose our insurance, make it easier for us to buy among competing companies.

We don't want the problems we have in California with Insurance and costs to be mandated across this nation, which is what would happen. We want the kinds of choices some States have where one is allowed to buy the insurance one wants, with the clear caveat that "this insurance is not State approved" on it.

Fine with me. I am an adult and can make my own choices.


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Posted by Sam
a resident of Midtown
on Jan 21, 2010 at 9:08 am

"Tort reform would be a great idea if we had universal coverage so someone that got wrecked could survive and wouldn't need so much. But we don't."

If the medical accident results in death, as your examples in your link, there is no advantage to universal care. There probably should be some compensation for the family, but it should be capped, and jury trials should be prohibited. If the patient survives, the judge should figure an appropriate amount, but no higher than the cap.

There is only reason that tort reform is not being considered by the Dems, and that is the trial lawyers influence and contributions. It would be laughable, if it was not so shameful.


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Posted by Frank
a resident of Barron Park
on Jan 21, 2010 at 9:49 am

Bottom line: Brown, a rino, got lucky with an inept, cocky opponent, low voter turnout in a state with few committed democratic voters, and voters still unhappy with the economy that the republicans wrecked.

The repubs just keep blowing smoke because they have no actual political position staked out except all out opposition to all democratic proposals. Reminds you of France in the 60s: non, non, non.

All the paranoid talk about socialism reveals panic and ignorance. Healthcare reform is coming--if not now then soon enough.

Socialism does not exist in America today. A hard left does not exist. The dems are all centrists, and the repubs are all far right wing or worse.


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Posted by Crescent Park Dad
a resident of Crescent Park
on Jan 21, 2010 at 11:50 am

All repubs are all far right wing or worse?

Brown, a republican, is pro-choice...I guess the far right wingers are finally seeing the light...


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Posted by Darwin
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jan 21, 2010 at 1:25 pm

Frank-

You wrote "Socialism does not exist in America today. A hard left does not exist. The dems are all centrists, and the repubs are all far right wing or worse."

That's funny because the Right is saying the same thing. You can virtually swap out key words in your statement and you would have what the ditto heads and right wing blabbers on the radio are saying everyday.

Conservatism does not exist in America today. A hard right does not exist. The GOP are all centrists, and teh dems are all left wing or worse.

Who's right? Probably both of you and neither of you.


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Posted by OhlonePar
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Jan 21, 2010 at 5:41 pm

The Republicans, unlike the Democrats, have gone through a period of weeding out moderate Republicans on the primary/grass roots level. Anyone who's been following politics for a few decades knows that there was a substantial shift rightward post-Nixon/Watergate on the part of the GOP. The Democrats, meanwhile, shifted away from the far left and more to the center.

In other words, Reagan was to the right of Nixon. Bush I was criticized by his own party for not being conservative enough and Bush II was to the right of Reagan.

Meanwhile, Carter was to the right of Johnson and Clinton to the right of Carter. Obama is not to the right of Clinton (so some shift back), but he's still very much to the right of Johnson.

So, no point in glibly evading the issue--take a look at the historical record.

Crescent Park Dad, I doubt the far right is seeing the light, but the GOP has long been a mix of ideologues (social-issues Republicans) and pro-corporate, but non-ideologues (i.e. Meg Whitman). One group has the voters, the other group has the money.

Personally, I'd like to see a more moderate GOP--I don't think we're well served by it having become a party of "NO!" just for the sake of saying no.

And the Democrats, frankly, need to own up to the fact that they seem more interested in personal job security than, oh, passing legislation. If it were me, I'd make the Republicans carry through on a few filibuster threats instead of caving in at the mere mention of one. It's like giving in to a kid threatening a tantrum.


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Posted by Sam
a resident of Midtown
on Jan 21, 2010 at 6:02 pm

Air America just declared bankruptsy. Warren Buffet, an Obama supporter, just dissed him on the bank tax issue. Brown took the Kennedy seat in MA. California, with all its liberal creamers, is falling off the fiscal map. And yet, we still hear the shrill, inchoate voices, like Olbermann, declaring that the world has ended. In fact, there is a new dawn rising.

For a more rational view, read Krauthammer: Web Link


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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on Jan 21, 2010 at 6:27 pm

Obama will do whatever it takes to stay in power, Chicago rules.
He has already embraced the "Mr Brown goes to Washington" expect much more of that at the State of the Union speech and a complete Dick Morris " Lateral arabesque" by Obama followed by the night of the long knives.
Obama is an astute politician and a charming guy, it is just his policies people do not like.
Obama says-- I can change my policies, Chicago rules-- he will and it does.

He may not turn out so bad as a President after all-- he is expedient and craves power-- what more does it take these days in Washington


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Posted by 77 percent of Investors are against Obama
a resident of Leland Manor/Garland Drive
on Jan 22, 2010 at 6:09 am

This is why what Obama represents is destroying our economy. And why the Conservatives are on the rise.

Web Link

77% of Investors..ie the ones who create business, jobs, ie GDP...think he reps an anti-business takeover.

Until this political ideology is out, we will continue to slide.

Relate it to the local, ie State, level of strong anti-business, and you can see why our State is completely failing.



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Posted by 77 percent of Investors are against Obama
a resident of Leland Manor/Garland Drive
on Jan 22, 2010 at 6:11 am

BTW, Buffet supported Obama because with Dem rule he made many millions on bank bailouts. Buffet knew that with any stops at all, even one as weak as a weak Repub leader, he risked losing many millions in tax money to his banks.


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Posted by Slidin
a resident of Barron Park
on Jan 22, 2010 at 9:28 am

We slide because of the very bad choices made by republican presidents and legislators. Of course rich people favor the republicans--the republican party gives them subsidies year after year.


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Posted by 77% of Investors are against Obama
a resident of Leland Manor/Garland Drive
on Jan 22, 2010 at 7:58 pm

More destruction of our economy by our current Admin

Web Link

Keep blaming the Repubs...they had almost no power, except the power of veto by Bush ( far too rarely used, since he was, in fact, a "bigger govt, more reg" kind of guy) over a Dem majority House and Senate, for the last 2 years of Bush. And we haven't even had the tiniest bit of "check" in our "checks and balances" system in the White House and House since even the last vestige of small Republicanism was lame-ducked Nov 4, 2008.

Let's think about when our economic slide began and which policy ideology ran the show when it began...

Let's think about what has happened in every sector of our economics since Nov 8, 2008....

Let's think about this latest assault on our American system ( let's overhaul our financial sector!!! Great!!! oops!!! plummeting market again!)


Yep, all the rich folks who aren't any more..thank goodness for double unemployment, 2 Trillion dollar debt, plummeting GDP, plummeting world confidence in our dollar, plummeting investment in all things American, plummeting tax base to pay for all the dreams of the leftists, more poor people, fewer resources to care for the disabled and educate our kids..

not to mention a rise in terrorist threats against us..


but at least those pesky rich folks are gone.

THAT is why Brown just took a far left State by storm...


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Posted by More disapproval of Obama than Bush
a resident of Leland Manor/Garland Drive
on Jan 23, 2010 at 8:05 am

Web Link

You won't get this unless you read Rasmussen polls...

56% of Americans now disapprove of Obama. 43% STRONGLY disapprove. Higher than Bush's Rasmussen Polls were at any point until his last few months, which equaled Obama's now.

THIS is why Brown won. America is seeing what this political ideology ruling our nation has done and continues to do to us, and EVEN MASS. says "enough".

It isn't about Obama, per se..it is about the constant attack and destruction of what is uniquely American.

Please note that, related to the banking "overhaul" proposed by BHO, Europe is "all for it" but doesn't want to do the same regulatory changes to itself..hmm...wonder why? Why on earth would any other country be FOR us doing something that they wouldn't do themselves? Couldn't be for the same reason that 70% of the world wants a weaker America, could it?

If "the world" wants us to do something, it is probably bad for us.


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Posted by Slidin
a resident of Barron Park
on Jan 23, 2010 at 9:07 am

"we haven't even had the tiniest bit of "check" in our "checks and balances" system" Er, haven't you been watching the news for the past year? The repubs have "checked" (stopped) all legislation. It's a shame they have nothing positive to propose, just lots of no no no.

Brown didn't take anything by storm--he won by a few points. For the rightists (republicans) to claim a big victory is far-fetched. Afer all, Brown is in FAVOR of mandatory health insurance and a public insurance option. Also pro-choice.

Yes, people are unhappy with the economic problems that the republicans saddled us with, and it is unpredictable how they will lash out....


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Posted by Sam
a resident of Midtown
on Jan 23, 2010 at 9:16 am

The 'blame Bush' rhetoric isn't flying anymore. It was Fannie and Freddie, and Barney Frank and Barack Obama who were most responsible for the housing bubble. It's a complciated subject, but there is no valid reason for Obama to blame Bush. Obama no longer walks on water.


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Posted by More..
a resident of Leland Manor/Garland Drive
on Jan 23, 2010 at 9:33 am

Hate to keep repeating the obvious, but here we are again...

Dems controlled the Senate and the Congress 2007 until now. Bush had veto power, that is it.

Dems controlled the WH, Senate and Congress for the last year.

Repubs had no power whatsoever to stop anything in the last year..nothing at all..completely dominated by a majority of Dems.

Sorry..the anti-business, anti-security, pro-govt power ploys that have been the cornerstone of the current Admin's attempt to remake America, its founding principles and its Constitution have been all Dem policies now..which get to take full and absolute credit and blame for our continuing and worsening woes.

This is why even Massachussetts has awakened. The full Dem policy agenda and process has been on full display for the last year, and the Boston Tea Party state has realized what the party of JFK has become.

Not disagreeing about the Repubs..unfortunately the ruling elitist Repubs who had been in power since 1994 lost their way, and left their elected principles behind them. They started buying into the Dem concepts of "we know best, give me your money and I will spend it better than you can, let me give preferential housing loans based on factors other than ability to pay, let's regulate freedom of speech in campaigns and freedom of assembly" etc. All of these attitudes increased our debt, lit the economic wildfire, and hampered our ability to have open political discussions.

Luckily for us and our kids, this attitude is now on the decline. The latest Supreme Court ruling thankfully gives us back our ability to donate to whomever we wish to lobby on our behalf for the candidate of our choice, for example. And, of course, the subject of this thread, the astonishing Tea Party in Boston.

I suspect that many more of us will be paying attention to the the next set of conservatives elected and holding their feet to the fire ...

Maybe we will even get term limits to keep our elected officials from developing this "I am now so smart and powerful, I know better than you" attitude, and forgetting who elected them and why. We'll see.





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Posted by To Slidin
a resident of Leland Manor/Garland Drive
on Jan 23, 2010 at 9:40 am

BTW to Slidin'

Wrong Brown. Search again ..SCOTT not SHERROD or whatever her name is.

When Obama won 53% in an evenly divided political country, it was a "landslide"..when Brown won in the strongest Dem/liberal state in the nation ..it is a few points?

geez


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Posted by More...
a resident of Leland Manor/Garland Drive
on Jan 24, 2010 at 7:33 am

Too bad for us..Obama is still not getting the message. He proposed a Deficit Reduction "committee"..to start AFTER this coming November.

Web Link

I guess he actually believes if the Dems start voting in SMALLER budgets before November, they will lose elections.

His Party's fundamental principals shine through every time he opens his mouth.

At least it is on full display, nothing hidden any more. That is good. That way we can have an honest election process and get more Scott Browns elected as the future comes closer.

In the meantime, we have to continue to suffer the effects of "progressive" thinking ( look up what the original progressive party was here in the USA) and a President who is positioning himself as a "Populist" per the newspapers

Web Link

Look up what a Populist is..you may be surprised.....and even more ironic, you will be surprised to find it is an insult to an educated person in the rest of the world to be called a "populist"..but at last there is truth in journalism, albeit I suspect unwittingly.



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Posted by Slidin
a resident of Barron Park
on Jan 24, 2010 at 9:43 am

To Slidin,

"Wrong Brown. Search again ..SCOTT not SHERROD or whatever her name is." Nope. But it doesn't surprise me that you don't know your own candidate. For clarity, again: Brown is pro-choice and in FAVOR of mandatory health insurance and a public insurance option. Oops, this is the far right ideologue you've been touting.

More,

A little primer: The global crisis was triggered by the collapse of our housing bubble but not caused by it. We had credit bubbles in mortgages, credit cards, auto loans, securitized products, borrowing by local govt., etc. Add to that the dangerous and unregulated credit default swap market. The republicans (lawmakers and presidents) ramped all this stuff up for many years. They simply are to blame.

It just won't play to now walk away from all that wacky anti-regulation cant and blame the dems.

As for this: "Repubs had no power whatsoever to stop anything in the last year..nothing at all..completely dominated by a majority of Dems": just have to laugh. The repubs have blocked most positive legislation since Obama was elected. They are obstructionists and nothing more.

The supreme court ruling is obviously a disaster for democracy, though it's a great power handout for corporations and backers of an activist court (course, that can cut two ways).


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Posted by To Slidin
a resident of Leland Manor/Garland Drive
on Jan 24, 2010 at 2:56 pm

please give us a website to verify your assertions about SCOTT Brown. I can't find them...

You almost get it right about the financial meltdown....you miss it when you think it was from lack of regulation, though. It was FROM poor excess, NEW regulations from 1998. Yes, you get it partially right when you say Repubs went along with all the new regs. They loast their way. But, I am not talking about "repubs vs dems"..I am talking conservative, constitutionally based economic principles versus "big govt in DC" principles. Look again at laws that distorted the market of millions, and you will get it right. The more a few people "at the top" try to regulate from a centrally planned economic perspective, the worse the economy as incentives get distorted. Check out what Centrally Planned economies look like all over the world.

Try reading anything by Sowell to understand this...

And if you really want to keep believing that Repubs had all that power when they were in the complete minority position in the last 3 years.., that is fine. Whatever.

And the Supreme Court ruling puts me on equal footing with a Union member..or a Soros funded group. I like getting back my ability to support anything I want with my money. When the same silly law of McCain-Feingold ( McCain being one of the Repubs who ruined the Repub party) was starting to be used to try to block DOCUMENTARIES from showing on TV as "campaigning", that should be a big warning flag to everyone in this nation, right and left. Nobody should be in a position of deciding what should and should not be said at any time in the year..period.

Unless you want to trust ME to decide WHAT YOU can say, and WHEN and WHERE you can say it, I think you should be grateful that we are back to the land of free speech again.








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Posted by More on Brown
a resident of Leland Manor/Garland Drive
on Jan 24, 2010 at 3:07 pm

I don't like Krauthammer much, but in this case, I gotta agree with his points about Brown.

Web Link


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Posted by Accountability
a resident of Greenmeadow
on Jun 5, 2013 at 11:36 pm

Shall we review, with the benefit of hindsight? All notes are from above posts.

- "Can't wait to see Boxer go down in blue flames." Ahem. Not.

- "This will only balloon his margin of defeat to any ambulatory biped in 2012." Jarred - hope ya didn't put much money on the biped.

- "Obama will plan to have Brown as his running mate in 1012" Hey, it was Sharon, what did you expect?

- "And WON is a State that is 3:1 Dems to Repubs. That says it all." Wow, sorry, WRONG! 4 million voters, 2 million are unaffiliated, 1.5m dem, .5 republican. Hope numbers aren't your day job. "That says it all." Nah, what says it all is that Scott brown is now a lobbyist for Wall St, Elizabeth Warren has his senate seat.

- "The Boston Tea Party has said "no". Even they, having lived now with their version of "Obamacare" for the last few years and seeing the results, are saying "stop"." Wrong. They love RomneyCare in Mass. No one is going to take it away.

- "Brown, a republican, is pro-choice...I guess the far right wingers are finally seeing the light..." Uh, nope, he lied to you, CP Dad. "Brown's 2011-2012 voting record led to an 80 percent anti-abortion voting score"

- "California, with all its liberal creamers, is falling off the fiscal map." Might want to ask Jerry about that. He saved us from the Meg disaster.

- "For a more rational view, read Krauthammer" Funny! Is this the guy who guaranteed a Romney victory when every poll told him it wasn't happening? Yup. So rational!

- "77% of Investors..ie the ones who create business, jobs, ie GDP...think he reps an anti-business takeover." Huh? What a load of hooey! Sure hope the 77% of investerrs didn't sell their stocks, the Dow has flown high under Obama!

- "Let's think about what has happened in every sector of our economics since Nov 8, 2008...." What a fool. Look at the year leading up to that: Web Link

- "let's overhaul our financial sector!!! Great!!! oops!!! plummeting market again!" Idiot. Hope you didn't sell your stocks at the Bush Bottom, the Dow is over 15K.

- "not to mention a rise in terrorist threats against us" from Bin Ladin?

- "If "the world" wants us to do something, it is probably bad for us." Well, the world wanted us to not invade Iraq... how did that turn out for us? 5,000 dead, trillions lost... any other sound bits of advice?

- "Maybe we will even get term limits" The GOP has the house, senate and Bush from 2002- 2006. How did the vote on term limits go?


So little Scotty Brown was a flash in the pan, replaced by Elizabeth Warren. From everything I've heard, Warren is far more liberal than Ted Kennedy. The Kerry seat is leaning towards Markey, who is quite liberal (and I say that fully acknowledging as a reference point that Hillary and Obama were the two most centrist dems in 2008.)

Obama won reelection by 5 million votes. Landslide over a Mass governor, the handsome Mitt Romney, 332-206.

A little accountability in review.

Thanks for checking it out.













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