16 arrested at Palo Alto DUI checkpoints Crimes & Incidents, posted by Editor, Palo Alto Online, on Dec 21, 2009 at 2:27 pm
A "sobriety checkpoint" at University Avenue and Seneca Street in Palo Alto netted nine drunk-driving arrests Saturday and seven at a Friday-evening checkpoint, Palo Alto police Officer Marianna Villaescusa said.
Read the full story here Web Link posted Monday, December 21, 2009, 10:33 AM
Posted by Thoughts, a resident of the Charleston Meadows neighborhood, on Dec 21, 2009 at 9:40 pm
I don't see how publishing their names/photos would help anyone. It's not like if you knew who they were, you could avoid driving on the roads with them, or convince them to stop driving drunk. They would just be shunned. They are already punished through our justice system...let's not start any scarlett letter shenanigans in palo alto.
as for those who mentioned "innocent until proven guilty"...if they blow above a .8 or whatever... and they were driving...is it not obvious? is this even a concern?
Posted by musical, a resident of the Palo Verde neighborhood, on Dec 21, 2009 at 9:44 pm
Someperson beat me to this post, but I'll click "Submit" anyway in full agreement.
Sobriety checkpoints are treading close to our constitutional protections, though I know many who would happily flush the Bill of Rights. The California Supreme Court has established guidelines which include signage and advanced publicity. I applaud our law enforcement for their careful application. A balance exists between public safety and probable cause. Somebody a long time ago said it best: Those who sacrifice freedom for security shall have neither.
Posted by Bill, a resident of the Midtown neighborhood, on Dec 21, 2009 at 9:58 pm
We are not talking about shunning people who commit adultery (even if they are big sports stars). People who intentionally risk the lives of their friends and neighbors, on the other hand, deserve to be branded as the terrorists that they really are. I say print their names. Print their mug shots. Print their addresses. If you want to be sympathetic to a convicted terrorist, that is your business, but don't tell me what I should think.
If this information is already published in the police department record, where do I find that?
Posted by Sharon please..., a resident of the Green Acres neighborhood, on Dec 22, 2009 at 1:25 am
"The limit should be much lower for police officers, pilots, and truck drivers and MDs, in fact there should be zero tolerance for those who are on call 24/7 such as police officers or MD"
When a doctor or anyone else for that matter is on call, they are essentially at work. When a police officer, doctor, or medic goes home they have no legal responsibility to respond. While one could argue as a civil servant or medical practitioner your always obligated to help your community 24/7, If I'm off the clock and wan't to get plastered thats my decision and people like you can't tell me otherwise.
As a medic, your saying after a 80 hour work week I can't go sit at a bar? Have a few cold ones with a friend, and then go home in a responsible manner.
Sharon, your impractical and radical. Don't impose your selfish tactics on the rest of us. Thank god and the forefathers of our great nation for making sure people with radical ideas like you own can't run the show.
Posted by musical, a resident of the Palo Verde neighborhood, on Dec 22, 2009 at 2:26 am
To say nothing of driving while sleep deprived, while on cell phone, while refereeing kids in back seat, while late for appointment, while thinking about disagreeable posts on PA Online, etc. Most accidents are not alcohol related. Be careful out there.
Posted by tony, a resident of another community, on Dec 22, 2009 at 8:42 am
Check your facts. Do you really know that the military restricts its members to two drinks?
As a currently serving military member I have NEVER seen this requirement whether we are on leave or not on leave. Although we stress to the highest degree to not drink and drive, we do not impose any limits on the amount of alcohol you can drink with the exception of inside combat zones.
In combat zones, depending on where you are, the limit is either 2-3 drinks or zero. Iraq and Afghanistan is zero for US personnel.
Posted by mary anne, a resident of the Crescent Park neighborhood, on Dec 22, 2009 at 10:45 am
Yes, please do list the names of dui arrests. We might avoid letting our children take a ride with these drivers and thus avoid incidents like the New York mother who killed so many. We all need to know who these drivers are.
Posted by Stayed home, a resident of the Crescent Park neighborhood, on Dec 22, 2009 at 10:48 am
If you look at several days of police reports, you can find 13 DUI arrests over the weekend in the north Palo Alto area. Only 5 or 6 of them took place at the Seneca spot, according to the police logs. Some were a few blocks away.
Maybe the arrests made by non-Palo Alto officers aren't reported in the P.A. police log? It's confusing.
Posted by Hmmm, a resident of East Palo Alto, on Dec 22, 2009 at 12:39 pm
Bill, I bet you're right about former Pres. George Bush (the latest one)! But then again, I doubt he's ever cracked a dictionary, but I have. And him not agreeing only underscores my point about not misusing language to make a point ;-)
Posted by Sharon please...., a resident of the Esther Clark Park neighborhood, on Dec 22, 2009 at 1:06 pm
Last post of mine, but my ultimate message is love it or leave it. I'm going to be the guy that will always fight for the right to get smashed at a bar after a hard week. As long as I drive home under 0.08, or with a friend, im not going to let people like you interfere with my life. I'm going to be the guy that believes in innocent before guilty, trial be peers, gun ownership to all, the vote to those over 18. This is America, and I dont impose my thoughts of how housewives should make husbands sandwiches, or be at their beck and call after a day at work. So don't impose your thoughts on me.
If I do what I want in my free time thats my choice, if I break the law I loose my license. Any DUI for a medic is now means for loss of state licensure permanently. However, if I decided to go to a bar and a freak earthquake happens, im going to go home and sit it out instead of getting involved, if im to hung over im going to call in sick. I'm an individual as well and im not a slave to you or anyone else in the community. Police officers can quite, so can MDs, for you to think they are available at your beck and call is ridiculous, go move to some dictatorship, or Europe, but get out if you dont like it.
Posted by internet is a small world, a resident of the Greater Miranda neighborhood, on Dec 22, 2009 at 5:03 pm
If you want to see what these individuals look like, look at the palo alto police log, then search on myspace and facebook. While im not condoning stalking or harassing these individuals its all public information and it is their choice to make mistakes, have criminal records and post their whole lives for everyone to see.
Its interesting they all look like tramps and thugs.
Posted by Bill, a resident of the Midtown neighborhood, on Dec 22, 2009 at 11:37 pm
You don't see me saying "Hang him high and let him swing" like I see in some other threads in this forum.
We just need to keep an eye on convicted drunk drivers, just like we need to keep an eye on convicted pedophiles and other criminals with potentially dangerous and incurable conditions. If any of these people are my friends or relatives, I will do my best to make sure they never drive drunk (and hopefully never even get drunk) again.
But unless their names are publicized, we are not going to be able to be able to help them keep our streets safe.
Posted by PA is for the birds, a resident of the Palo Alto Hills neighborhood, on Dec 28, 2009 at 3:18 am
Why would you want to know the names of whom ever was arrested? Its not a good thing to hope that someone has a problem to make yourself do better. The fact is some of us are just better drivers, I myself think or know that I can drive better atfer 12 beers than most of you "Palo Alto Geeks" can drive sober. Get a life and youll be interested in much more that the name of the DUI offenders. Wow.....