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When will the recession end?

Original post made by stephen levy, University South, on Apr 15, 2009

The three questions I get asked most these days are (1) "When will the recession end?" (2) "Are we in for another Great Depression?" and (3) "When will the economy get back to normal?"

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Posted by stephen levy
a resident of University South
on Apr 18, 2009 at 9:49 am

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Yesterday's jobs report added new evidence that Silicon Valley has joined the state and nation in the eye of the recession.

However, the news was not unexpected given the bad national jobs report of two weeks ago and the continuing declines in consumer and business spending both here and with our major export customers.

The stimulus efforts started in late March after the March jobs data were collected and even with the best of fortune, job cuts are expected to continue through the summer. So we don't know much more today about the pace of recovery than we did before yestrerday's disappointing news.

We are all connected in the sense that strong economic recovery depends on the success of the "three-legged stool" of stimulus spending, housing initiatives and initiatives to improve the ability and incentives for financial institutions to provide credit prudently.

We are close to being able to confirm one piece of good news--that we are at a bottom in terms of the lower-priced home market here and around the state. There have been three months now of strong sales of homes that are selling for half or less of what they were valued at two years ago.

This is good news on three fronts. One, it says that there is active interest backed by cash to buy homes in the Bay Area. Two, there is a siler lining out of other people's pain in that families previously priced out of Bay Area markets can now afford a home. Three, and this is important for the long-term prosperity, comapnies can look at Silicon Valley and know that many more workers can afford to live here than was true just two years ago.

The housing market correction has not yet reached Palo Altoor other high end markets. Sale prices offered by owners are still too high to create any significant level of sales as readers can see by looing at the very low transaction levels shown each Friday in the Weekly. I don't see how Palo Alto will be able to avoid a substantial correction in home prices over the next 12 months for people who have to or want to sell their homes.

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Posted by stephen levy
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on Apr 29, 2009 at 5:05 pm

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The economy remains in a period where good news alternates with disappointing news. We are no closer to knowing when the economy will turn around and how rapidly the economy can recover.

There are more "glimmers of hope" as President Obama calls the bits of good news.

Today's report of a sharp decline in GDP in the first quarter of 2009 contains more good news than bad for the prospects of recovery. Since the recession is manifested by a sharp drop in spending, the response of businesses has been to cut production and job levels.

Nearly 50% of the decline in GDP last quarter was caused by a decline in inventory levels as businesses cut production to match falling sales levels. There is some hope in the first quarter results that consumer spending has bottomed out. As a result the decline in production and inventory will set the stage for an increase in production when spending begins to pick up spurred by the anti-recession policies in place.

There is also hope that the recent job losses have moved businesses back into balance between sales amd production.

As yet the employment data remain discouraging with no sign yet that job losses are lessening. So expect a few more months of job losses and rising unemployment.

There are more glimmers of hope in the housing market as prices have stabilized in the low price part of the market and sales levels are high as buyers are attracted by low prices. We have no evidence yet that the high end of the market is near stability as sales levels remain very low.

Recent announcements by the administration about housing loan modification policies and by the Federal Reserve Bank about making money available for lending confirm that the administration will add stimulus initiaitives over time to what is already in place.

I think July is the period when we should get a first take on whether the existing programs have started to bring job losses down and signal a turnaround by the end of the year.

The prognosis in 2009 and 2010 for state and local government budgets is awful no matter how qucikly the recovery proceeds.

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Posted by stephen levy
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on May 9, 2009 at 1:26 pm

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This is my tbird update on the question of when the recession will end. I will continue to update every week or two as more news emerges.

We continue in the period I expected of alternating good news (glimmers of hope) and bad news (reminders that the economy is still heading downward).

Job losses and new unemployment clains continued at high levels in recent data but both series showed less "bad news" than in the previous month. Still more than 500,000 job losses in April is way too much to consider that the recession is near the end. Job losses will need to be down in May, June and July and be less than 300,000 before we know that the recession will end soon.

And the pace of recovery is very uncertain.

One piece of unambiguous good news is that China's stimulus efforts appear to be working. A growing Chinese economy will help all countries in their own recovery efforts as China purchases goods and services from many other countries. It is another indication that we are connected as a world economy.

Most major questions remain unanswered. There are no indications yet of hwo successful the efforts to modify home loans and reduce the risk of foreclosures will be. We have had several months now of seeing active buyer interest at low foreclosure prices but success in seeing an upturn in the housing market will require success in modifying millions of existing home loans.

The stimulus money is starting slowly to enter the economy and the pace will pick up. In addition the administration adds a new program nearly every week to put money into the economy.

The administration is pursuing an "all in" agenda and will add whatever they think is necessary and find ways to add stimulus without needing congressional approval if need be.

They are trying to dance through the raindrops with banks in the sense that the administration is hoping that small additions of capital announced this week in the stress test results plus strong bank earnings plus success in stabilizing the housing market will make more drastic efforts related to banks unnecessary.

I still think July is when we will know whether the economy is really on pace to turn upward by year end. Even then unemployment will rise for a few more months and the pace of job growth is uncertain.

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Posted by stephen levy
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on Jun 13, 2009 at 5:46 pm

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In mid June we remain in a period of alternating hopeful and less hopeful economic news.

For now we have some stability in the banking sector and some TARP money is being repaid long before anyone expected.

On the other hand the loan modification programs have little participation so far and it is hard for me to see how the housing market recovers without removing some of these potential foreclosures.

I have faith that the stimulus will work somewhat and the money is only starting to be spent. But job losses are still high, though slowing and the economy is still headed down.

It certainly looks like the talk of another Great Depression was premature and we are stuck in a vicious recession but no more.

My own sense is that another round of stimulus funding for state and local governments is a good idea for the economy and for maintaining public services. If continuity in the banking sector and for AIG and GM is in the public interest, then continuity as much as possible for public services should merit the President's support.

So it is still July when I think we will know whether the recession is really about to end.

There will be a jobs report on July 3 and again in early August and that should tell whether job losses are nearly over. And there will be a first GDP report in late July, where experts are expecting a much lower second quarter loss than in Q1.

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Posted by stephen levy
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on Jul 11, 2009 at 10:53 am

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I said we would begin to know how the stimulus and other programs were working in July.

To my mind we are moving toward the end of the recession but more slowly than expected and too slowly for me.

Job losses and new unemployment claims are too high to feel good about the timing or strength of any recovery.

The banking policies are looking like they are working so far, which is one good sign.

But the laon modification programs are lagging badly. I support efforts by Obama to push lenders harder as he may do shortly. We are a long way from erasing the overhang in potential foreclosures.

I have written widely in favor of a second round of stimulus directed at state and lcoal governmetns across the country. CA does not derseve special consideration but the 50 states are facing $230 billion in shortfalls over the next year or two.

Paul Krugman states the situation and dilemma more eloquently than my words can do. Here is his recent op-ed.

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We could use the TARP repayments or accelerate existing stimulus money but I also favor additional aid to state and local governments.

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