Three people killed in crash on I-280 identified Issues Beyond Palo Alto, posted by Editor, Palo Alto Online, on Dec 17, 2012 at 10:55 am
The California Highway Patrol has identified the victims of a crash involving a stopped car on interstate Highway 280 near Redwood City Friday afternoon, Dec. 14, that left three people dead and two seriously injured.
Read the full story here Web Link posted Monday, December 17, 2012, 9:23 AM
Posted by scared, a resident of the Downtown North neighborhood, on Dec 17, 2012 at 10:55 am
I don't usually comment but this tragedy made me thing of two times when I got yelled at by the CHP for NOT stopping on the Freeway. One time I had an expired registration and was followed with lights and sirens for about a mile to an exit on 880 and the second time I had a broken tail light and was followed on 101 for more than a mile with the guy yelling at me over his microphone the whole time. Very jarring and disconcerting. I will never stop on a freeway for anyone or anything AND I ask our law enforcement officers to do the same. It is just not worth it. If your car stalls, you have to do the best you can but that is a pretty rare event....even then, I would get out of the car and go as far as possible in the weeds! I am so sorry for these folks and the poor man who hit them.
Posted by Tragic, a resident of Menlo Park, on Dec 17, 2012 at 11:45 am
Not sure if age was a factor (driver was 82), but this accident yet again raises the question on how we can best evaluate/monitor our seniors behind the wheel to ensure safety for everyone on our roads.
Posted by Aquamarine, a resident of Stanford, on Dec 17, 2012 at 1:45 pm
To support the above comment - we need to remember that driving is a privilege, not a right. As such, it is subject to regulations and restrictions that some may be considered biased but are all about safety.
Posted by Anon., a resident of the Crescent Park neighborhood, on Dec 17, 2012 at 2:52 pm
I don't know if the driver of the crashing vehicle was driving recklessly or not, but I sure see a lot of what I think of as reckless and show off driving these days when I am out and driving about.
Last night in the rain a car gunned it to pass me and make the intersection coming up to get ahead of me and cut right in front of me and then braked to pull into the intersection.
Why do people driving like this. Things like this needs to be somehow recognized as a problem and people who drive bad should be fined "rude points" or something. A cop should be able to pull people over if he gets behavior like this in his video camera give people tickets ... or maybe they should not fine people but put 1/10 of a point on their driving record.
Posted by family, a resident of Stanford, on Dec 17, 2012 at 5:40 pm
i personally know the driver who is the said 82 year old man and he does not speed and is probably in better physical condition than myself who is in my 40's. It is not right to say it was an age factor. The problem is where the lexus stopped. just because they are dead does not mean that they are not also at fault. The driver is clinging to life and chances are at his age will not survive. Don't be so quick to judge a person soley on age.
Posted by Steve, a resident of Menlo Park, on Dec 18, 2012 at 9:28 am
My condolences on your family member's accident. I sincerely hope he survives his injuries and is able to return to his family.
I don't think anyone is judging who was at fault here- that awaits the analysis of evidence that none of us have available. The only point I was making is that, given that the driver is 82, age has to be a factor in considering possible causes. It may be ruled out but it has to be considered.
You say he doesn't speed but my experience of driving 280 is that everyone who is driving in the left-hand lane is doing better than the speed limit.
Posted by what's right?, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood, on Dec 18, 2012 at 6:49 pm
What a terrible tragedy for all involved. My heart goes out all of them.
I would like to know whether the occupants were in the car when the accident happened, or outside? Were they changing the tire? I am always frightened of having a stall in the left lanes of the freeway in heavy traffic and not being able to pull over -- what is the right thing to do? You hear recommendations never to try to get out of a car and cross lanes of traffic on foot, but is that more dangerous than staying in the car?
Definitely I would drive on the rim is just get off the freeway if possible. But are there dangers in that?
My brother was in high school when he had a flat on a remote desert highway late at night. He couldn't get the tire off so he just drove the car home slowly, with his emergency lights blinking, in the right hand lane. It ruined the rim, but our dad wasn't made and said he shouldn't even have gotten out of the car to try to change the tire because of the danger if anyone hit him. What's the right thing to do?
Posted by So so sad, a resident of Mountain View, on Dec 19, 2012 at 8:17 am
I was on the road on Friday, and man was traffic miserable, but when I found out what happened to these poor men my heart felt so heavy and I immediately felt guilty for my anger at the traffic.
The only thing I can say here is that the first car I ever owned was a Christmas present from my parents when I was 16. My dad took a tire off and put it under the tree, and told me I couldn't drive the car until I was able to put it on myself. As I was fumbling around, he was rattling off a bunch of other driving rules to me.
"And don't you EVER, EVER change the tire on the freeway unless you absolutely have to. Slowly roll that thing off."
That's all I can say. Don't pull over on the freeway unless you have NO other options.
Posted by Friend of one of those killed, a resident of Stanford, on Dec 20, 2012 at 10:13 am
To comment on the family member who knows the 82 yr old man. I was quite distraught to read that you saying "just because they are dead, does not mean they are not also at fault." Where is your heart? True, they could've stopped else where to get their tire fixed, but if you say that 82 year old man was in better and healthier condition than you at your 40s, he should've been able to see the car on the side of the median and move out of the way not slam right into it. Like jay walkers, just because you're not supposed to do it doesn't mean a car can still hit you if you jay walk. Seriously. To say a man who was supposedly driving safe is not only ridiculous, but false. He lived his long 82 year old life, while these 3 young men won't ever be able to live theirs. Facts are facts. Let the driver who slammed into a car, that wasn't invisible, take responsibility. My love goes to my friend that I lost and to your family my love and support. My prayers are with you. I'll miss you very much Manny Singh...
Posted by Sympathetic to All, a resident of Menlo Park, on Dec 22, 2012 at 10:25 am
This is so tragic and I feel badly for all involved. It does bring up several questions about how we manage problems that occur on the freeway. "Scared" brings up an interesting point and I wonder if it would not be better to have a policy to pull off the freeway at the nearest exit when being stopped by a police officer. There are too many instances when a driver (speeding or not)drives directly into a stalled or stopped vehicle. Additionally I have noted not many people are using their emergency flashers. This could prevent a lot of accidents. Drivers are often following lights that are on and use those as a "marker" to follow when dark.
Posted by mannybrandystory, a resident of another community, on Dec 29, 2012 at 11:35 pm
I AM DEVASTATED AS ARE THE FAMILY AND FRIENDS OF THE THREE VICTIMS WHO LOSTBTHEIR LIVES THAT AFTERNOON. Personally my life will never be the same as I lost my partner and best friend that afternoon as prepared then sat and waited for him to come home for lunch after dropping off his family, sadly he never made it. This family of 5 is now only 2because why?? I STILL HAVENT SEEN OR HEARD ANYTHING AS TO WHY OR WHAT HAPPENED. Nothing said by the man driving that suv , nothing at all? Every day when i leave work Indrive by the place where this accident happened mostly to be close to manny as this was where he took his last breath, but Also to try to make sense of all of this. I can say that i have seen much bigger centerdivide lanes and this one would have left the vehicle with little or no room to move and staying inside car would be the only option if you had topark your car there. There is a ruleof thumb for not paking near the center divide but this is more a common knowledge thing and for it to be virtually everyone first point when trying to paint their picture of what went wrong is like hearing some say they are in a better and then thinking better vs what i dont remeber them suffering or slowy dieing to warrent a betterbplace comment. MY observation of the accident site is that there is no sharp or blind curves it straight and ansuv since i drive one myself gives you a little better view due to being higher up then other midsize economy cars. The weatger was good and it was midday so light and sight issues should be at minimum and if im correct there were no ther vehicles struck or involved due to the wreckage that had ended up in other laes . so even if this is a part of 280 is more narrow that than other part with no real signfigant issues to cause someone that can see clear ahead and isnt speeing so fast they couldnt attempt to avoid or at least minimize impact by stoping, slowing or swerving since they had plenty of room around them. I cant come up with a assumption that makes sense. The only individual who knows is mr smith and i think al the surviving friends family and loved one ofbthe multani famiy deserve an answer. Dreaming of you and celebrating yor life 143 Manny mayyou and your mother and siter RIP. until we meet again B