Debate opinions? Issues Beyond Palo Alto, posted by anon., a resident of the Monroe Park neighborhood, on Oct 3, 2012 at 8:08 pm
I had another commitment, so I could not watch it. However, I got home about half and hour ago, and tuned into my favorite cable channel (MSNBC). I was disappointed to see all my liberal talking heads with glum looks on their faces. Of course, Fox is slobbering all over itself with high fives. What happened?
Posted by realistic, a resident of the Downtown North neighborhood, on Oct 3, 2012 at 8:19 pm
Obama had better and more complete facts and a better presentation. Romney came off as a whining business elitest. Romney wasn't as terrible as most people thought he would be, so maybe this is a moral victory for him, similar to Sarah Palin's debates.
Posted by Anon., a resident of the Crescent Park neighborhood, on Oct 3, 2012 at 9:40 pm
I'm not voting for Romney under any conditions, but in terms of this debate Romney wiped the floor with Obama. Obama's performance was literally the worst debate performance I have ever seen, and this after he had been practicing for weeks with John Kerry. Heck, if I was Obama I would not want to have anything to do with John Kerry anyway.
Romney was aggressive, pushy, pushed all the questions over time and claimed that nothing that he said in the past year was what he was going to do, but Obama did nothing. Kerry made a crack about having five "boys" and that he was using to hearing stories that were not true ... a subliminally pretty racist remark, but able to be disavowed of course. he pulled out all the stops and yet looked very relaxed and pleasant doing it.
At the halfway point I switched from radio to TV and I was aghast to see Obama on the screen looking like he had no business being up in that debate of being President of the USA. His head was down, his eyes were shifty, he looked anything but Presidential, he looked guilty like he was in a police lineup or like he was accused of a crime. I am completely disappointed in Obama ... though I will still be voting for him.
Posted by Anonymous, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood, on Oct 3, 2012 at 9:55 pm
Tonight we had Romney Etch-A-Sketch... How can you even debate someone who changes his stances like this? Additionally, Romney was very aggressive. Obama still tries very hard to not look like an angry black man. In any case, his performance was quite weak, while Romney's performance was just disgustingly dishonest.
Posted by anon., a resident of the Monroe Park neighborhood, on Oct 3, 2012 at 10:54 pm
I just watched the full replay of the debate. I think President Obama held his own for about one third of the debate. I also believe in his basic points and policies. However, I must admit that Romney carried the debate for the last two-thirds, much more dynamic and projected leadership. President Obama seemed a little unsure.
I think this could be one of those Nixon-Kennedy debates, where Nixon was judged pretty strong by the debate coaches, as they listened on the radio; but then they watched on TV, and they changed their opinion.
I will vote for President Obama, however I am now worried. This was not good.
Posted by Hmmm, a resident of East Palo Alto, on Oct 3, 2012 at 11:31 pm
anon - don't worry. The president may not have been at his best tonight, but it was a debate, not the presidency itself. He's still a better option than the former governor. I don't mistake ROmney's aggression w/leadership. Being a heckuva successful businessman doesn't make him a heckuva statesman or president. This is the guy who thought it was sound judgement tying his crated dog to the roof of his car.
Posted by Anon., a resident of the Crescent Park neighborhood, on Oct 4, 2012 at 1:30 am
Obama looked cowed, punked, confused and weak. I don't think he was actually, I think Romney was really overbearing and aggressive. Democrats just do not do confrontation, even when their most personal feelings are offended, as with Dukakis. When Bush insulted Gore's masculinity and Gore did nothing.
At every point Romney broke in and interrupted Obama, to get on his nerves, and it worked.
Obama constantly kept using phrases like "I think", as when he said "I think when the middle class does better the whole country does better" .... it's like he has these lines that someone told him to say that he does not really believe and is delivering them no conviction ... looking uncertain.
He was stuttering, he had the tones in his voice like he was giving one of his speeches, not facing up to a guy who want to kill him and everything he stands for ... figuratively.
Obama seemed to be just talking to the very victims that he disagreed with Romney was even talking about so insultingly.
Obama was not focused. He got bogged down in Romney's nonsense instead of saying that on most of these issues, their positions on most issues are the same or very close, as in the Medicare 7billion cut. It's the vision, and Obama did an incompetent job pointing out the arguments of the left - BECAUSE OBAMA DOES NOT SUBSCRIBE TO THEM AS REPUBLICAN LITE AND WILL NOT ARTICULATE A POPULIST OR EVEN DEMOCRATIC POSITION.
Obama refused to lift the cap on the social security tax ... why?
Posted by Pepp, a resident of the Downtown North neighborhood, on Oct 4, 2012 at 10:02 am
Etch-A-Sketch finally veered to the middle.
Then he claimed he wasn't giving away huge breaks to the wealthiest, then claimed he would drop their rates a third down to 25%.
Then he lied about the Medicare cuts to providers, at least ten times (716 billion).
But Romney won on style! Always important to have a loud handsome man as prez!
*** ABC: "Right now the CBO says up to 20 million people will lose their insurance as Obamacare goes into effect next year." That claim is based on a report from CBO. Politfact says it�s FALSE."
*** ABC: "Number one, pre existing conditions are covered under my plan." Nope.
*** ABC: "Obama Wants to Cut Medicare � 10:14 p.m.: Romney: What I support is no change for current retirees and near retirees to Medicare. And the President supports taking $716 billion out of that program." One of the lies Romney repeats CONSTANTLY and has been fact checked to death.
*** ABC: "Health Care Costs Rose $2,500 per Family Under Obama � 9:41 p.m.: ABC News� Serena Marshall reports: Factcheck.org labeled this claim false.
The tall handsome man was spinning his Etch-A-Sketch dials all night long!
Why did Mitt claim his boys lie to him all the time? Did the apple not fall far from the tree?
"ROMNEY: �Look, I�ve got five boys I�m used to people saying something that�s not always true but just keep repeating it and ultimately hoping I�ll believe it."
Posted by Jan H., a resident of the Old Palo Alto neighborhood, on Oct 4, 2012 at 12:41 pm
I would have to say that Romney' s answers and comments seemed more succinct and clear than Obama's. Obama paled in comparison, even though he is a lawyer and professional smooth-talker. Kinda scary when you think about the fact that people often vote for the smooth-talking personality, even when it is vapid.
The fact is, Romney is still an elitist without a clue, and should not hold any position of power. As little as II trust Obama, at least he has had a REAL life, not a charmed, privileged one!
Posted by Anon., a resident of the Crescent Park neighborhood, on Oct 4, 2012 at 1:38 pm
Romney planned strategize and won the NON-VERBAL debate so decisively that whatever substance was there just evaporated into the air and blew away.
Romney used neuroscience techniques of business and advertising spectacularly well and Obama had no idea what was even hitting him.
From the beginning when Romney basically said he had 5 BOYS and was used to hearing lies his whole strategy was to get under Obama's skin, to make Obama spend so much energy on being calm and civil that his brain could not really think.
Then when Obama would collect himself and start to speak Romney would interrupt with a smile, or interject, or agree, or question, never letting Obama get going and adding to his discomposure.
For a President to allow this to happen to not be able to see this and react to it made Obama look unPresidential and bad on a NON-VERBAL level so the verbal debate which Romney basically lied though did not even hardly matter.
Americans will not vote for a President because they feel sorry for him, but will they vote for a President in spite of feeling sorry for him is the question here.
There is a book by a guy named "Drew Westen" a neuroscientist called "The Political Brain" that talks about this stuff very clearly, as well as the advertising gury Clotaire Rappaille who says that the "reptile always wins". Romney was definitely a snake, but he put a lot of effort and thought into doing that, and it made Obama look incompetent as he acted like he was debating a Democrat for the Primary in an academic debate.
This was a true trouncing on a level that Obama, the Democrats do not ever seem to understand - they allow themselves to get punked by their own civility - because Democrats and Liberals do not know how to channel aggression very well, at least in debates. That was one thing Clinton did well ... but then Clinton was almost a Republican too.
America needs to work out its psychological problems! ;-)
Posted by anon., a resident of the Monroe Park neighborhood, on Oct 4, 2012 at 2:41 pm
Let's just hit the reset button. No excuses, just move on. We don't need Al Gore to be talking about thin air. It is time for President Obama to get tough, and take no prisoners. President Obama is the most gifted politician I have experienced. However, he is up against a serious foe, and he needs to attack, in person. Political ads will just be countered by ads from the other side (a real waste of money). We need President Obama to take the gloves off, get off all teleprompters going forward (at all public speeches), get serious, do his homework and have no mercy vs. Romney.
Posted by CC, a resident of the Old Palo Alto neighborhood, on Oct 4, 2012 at 9:04 pm
Calm down everyone. This election has nothing to do with the outcome of the debate or the Wall street jobs data. The debate just a show and the data is a histogram. For RMoney, not a chance. All Window are open ;-)
Posted by Pepp, a resident of the Downtown North neighborhood, on Oct 5, 2012 at 9:10 am
Last night Sharon lied when she told us: "The latest jobs report comes out tomorrow-it is very bad news."
Barack Obama has a message for Sharon: "Today, I believe that as a nation, we are moving forward again. We're moving forward.
Now after losing about 800,000 jobs a month when I took office, our businesses have now added 5.2 million new jobs over the past 2.5 years. This morning, we found out that the unemployment rate has fallen to its lowest level since I took office."
It amazes me how consistently wrong Sharon can be.
Sharon - what about the month by month jobs chart that you ignored again?