What is wrong with Obama? Issues Beyond Palo Alto, posted by David, a resident of the Greenmeadow neighborhood, on Sep 13, 2012 at 3:55 pm
Apology and retreat is the Obama doctrine, apparently. We are paying the price for it now. Israel is in great danger. Placating Islam is a losing proposition. The modern world should insist that Islam grow up.
As a Democrat, I shall, reluctantly, vote for Romney. Obama has lost my trust.
Posted by Gary, a resident of the Downtown North neighborhood, on Sep 13, 2012 at 4:02 pm
from AP fact checkers about ROMNEY's LIES about Obama so called Islam apology
(AP) The gunfire at the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, had barely ceased when Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney seriously mischaracterized what had happened in a statement accusing President Barack Obama of "disgraceful" handling of violence there and at the U.S. Embassy in Cairo.
"The Obama administration's first response was not to condemn attacks on our diplomatic missions, but to sympathize with those who waged the attacks," Romney said in a statement first emailed to reporters at 10:09 p.m. Eastern time, under the condition it not be published until midnight.
In fact, neither a statement by the U.S. Embassy in Cairo earlier in the day nor a later statement from Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton offered sympathy for attackers. The statement from the Cairo Embassy had condemned anti-Muslim religious incitement before the embassy walls were breached. In her statement, issued minutes before Romney's, Clinton had offered the administration's first response to the violence in Libya, explicitly condemning the attack there and confirming the death of a State Department official.
"I condemn in the strongest terms the attack on our mission in Benghazi today," Clinton said
Posted by David, a resident of the Greenmeadow neighborhood, on Sep 13, 2012 at 4:26 pm
"I took office at a time when many around the world had come to view America with skepticism and distrust. Part of this was due to misperceptions and misinformation about my country. Part of this was due to opposition to specific policies and a belief that on certain critical issues, America has acted unilaterally, without regard for the interests of others. And this has fed an almost reflexive anti-Americanism, which too often has served as an excuse for collective inaction."
Obama in a speech before the UN. That is an apology in diplomatic speak.
Let's add a little context to make david/gary/jerry look the fool:
I took office at a time when many around the world had come to view America with skepticism and distrust. Part of this was due to misperceptions and misinformation about my country. Part of this was due to opposition to specific policies, and a belief that on certain critical issues, America has acted unilaterally, without regard for the interests of others. And this has fed an almost reflexive anti-Americanism, which too often has served as an excuse for collective inaction.
Now, like all of you, my responsibility is to act in the interest of my nation and my people, and I will never apologize for defending those interests."
Posted by Concerned, a resident of the Palo Verde neighborhood, on Sep 13, 2012 at 5:15 pm
Several questions that need to be answered about the current news. Since the trailer to this movie was on YouTube for several weeks (or months) shouldn't the CIA have been aware of the potential for this to cause tension in the Muslim world? Since it had been there for some time doesn't it sound too suspicious that in two different countries almost simultaneously a few rogue criminals should decide to protest on 9/11? It seems that the Egyptian embassy had been evacuated before the protests so why had that not happened in Libya? We know that one of the four dead in Libya was the ambassador, but why are we not being told about the other 3 who died? They are not being named and we do not even know if they were consular staff? At this stage we should be being told more about the others who died as their families must have been told. Since this occurred on 9/11 shouldn't security have been heightened at embassies in sensitive areas as a matter of course?
Posted by Peter Carpenter, a resident of Atherton, on Sep 14, 2012 at 7:12 am Peter Carpenter is a member (registered user) of Palo Alto Online
Family notification, done properly, takes time - and precedence. Families deserve to know of their loss before concerned citizens are informed.
"The State Department identified on Thursday night former Navy SEALs Tyrone S. Woods and Glen A. Doherty as the two security personnel who died in Tuesday's attack in Benghazi, Libya, that also killed U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens and Sean Smith, a Foreign Service information management officer."
Posted by Peterfcarpenter@gmail.com, a resident of Atherton, on Sep 14, 2012 at 7:50 am
Statement on the Deaths of Tyrone S. Woods and Glen A. Doherty in Benghazi, Libya
Hillary Rodham Clinton
Secretary of State
September 13, 2012
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The attack on our diplomatic post in Benghazi, Libya on Tuesday claimed the lives of four Americans. Yesterday, I spoke about two: Ambassador Chris Stevens and Information Management Officer Sean Smith. Today, we also recognize the two security personnel who died helping protect their colleagues. Tyrone S. Woods and Glen A. Doherty were both decorated military veterans who served our country with honor and distinction. Our thoughts, prayers, and deepest gratitude are with their families and friends. Our embassies could not carry on our critical work around the world without the service and sacrifice of brave people like Tyrone and Glen.
Tyrone’s friends and colleagues called him “Rone,” and they relied on his courage and skill, honed over two decades as a Navy SEAL. In uniform, he served multiple tours in Iraq and Afghanistan. Since 2010, he protected American diplomatic personnel in dangerous posts from Central America to the Middle East. He had the hands of a healer as well as the arm of a warrior, earning distinction as a registered nurse and certified paramedic. All our hearts go out to Tyrone’s wife Dorothy and his three sons, Tyrone Jr., Hunter, and Kai, who was born just a few months ago.
We also grieve for Glen Doherty, called Bub, and his family: his father Bernard, his mother Barbara, his brother Gregory, and his sister Kathleen. Glen was also a former Navy SEAL and an experienced paramedic. And he put his life on the line many times, protecting Americans in Iraq, Afghanistan, and other hotspots. In the end, he died the way he lived – with selfless honor and unstinting valor.
We condemn the attack that took the lives of these heroes in the strongest terms, and we are taking additional steps to safeguard American embassies, consulates, and citizens around the world. This violence should shock the conscience of people of all faiths and traditions. We appreciate the statements of support that have poured in from across the region and beyond. People of conscience and goodwill everywhere must stand together in these difficult days against violence, hate, and division.
I am enormously proud of the men and women who risk their lives every day in the service of our country and our values. They help make the United States the greatest force for peace, progress, and human dignity that the world has ever known. We honor the memory of our fallen colleagues by continuing their work and carrying on the best traditions of a bold and generous nation.
Posted by Peter Carpenter, a resident of Atherton, on Sep 14, 2012 at 10:37 am Peter Carpenter is a member (registered user) of Palo Alto Online
In the spirit of full disclosure I proudly note that our son, who is the father of five wonderful children, is an Arabic speaking Foreign Service Officer who (willingly) spends a good deal of time in very unfriendly places representing the United States of America. As a consequence, I am both well informed about the issues, hazards and protocols involved and very passionate about the respect and gratitude that those who so serve our country deserve.
Posted by bru, a resident of the Crescent Park neighborhood, on Sep 16, 2012 at 3:28 am bru is a member (registered user) of Palo Alto Online
Why are these kind of provocative posts allowed to stay up here?
There is no journalistic or even editorial value to someone coming in and trying to barf all over Obama over something he cannot support instead of opening with some more intelligent opening about the issue for discussion.
And then on top of that we're supposed to believe this is a Democrat soured on Obama, - how absurd. So now the conversation has to take place under the umbrella of what is basically a troll post ... not very journalistic PAO.
I saw a little of this movie, and whatever it was there is no excuse for murder over a movie - period. Why do these radical Muslims get the right to be able to intimidate everyone in the world because at any moment they might take offense and start killing people?
The trailer that I saw was very stylized, and I thought I did not see much of it, I believe it was trying to show some of the contradictions in the sanitized image we have been shown of the "religion of peace". As a work of art I cannot pass judgement, but as a right to free speech just how are basic root issues supposed to be addressed between religions of religion and the victims of their persecution.
I think it is a great thing that the West is standing up to these bullies in the name of civilization even if "civilization" as most of the world's religions claim to perceive it is a long way off. The abuses and norms in this area of the world are well challenged and well stood up to. This tragic situation is just another reminder of that.
Posted by Peter Carpenter, a resident of Atherton, on Sep 16, 2012 at 11:12 am Peter Carpenter is a member (registered user) of Palo Alto Online
One of the problems of the Town Forum format is that it allows individuals, usually doing so anonymously, to post new topics and to choose their own headline - and neither the topic or the headline is given any review or moderation. The result is a very mixed bag of postings with much of the emphasis going to producing catchy/inflammatory headlines and using provocative/suggestive but totally unidentifing user names. The result is neither dialogue or discourse or the intended thoughtful gathering place but rather a very uneven distribution of well considered opinions, occasional facts and, frankly, lots of trash talk.
This topic is an excellent example in the choice of its headline, the user's chosen anonymous name and its initial unsupported attack on the President followed by a regrouping to a different line of attack that simply ignored the facts regarding the attacks on our embassy in Egypt and our consulate in Libya. And when presented with the facts the original poster just slips away without making any comment or rebuttal - soon to reemerge with another catchy headline and a new anonymous user name to toss another grenade under the table of discourse.