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Health care providers gear up for influx

Original post made on Jun 30, 2012

While Congress is sure to continue its political fisticuffs over the U.S. Supreme Court's ruling to uphold the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, local health care providers are gearing up to address the influx of new patients.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Saturday, June 30, 2012, 4:00 PM

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Posted by health care for all
a resident of Adobe-Meadows
on Jun 30, 2012 at 5:10 pm

Lack of health insurance can lead to all kinds of personal health and financial problems down the road. I am glad that the Feds are finally solving this problem. All other modern countries fixed this problem years ago. Why did it take America so long to catch up?


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Posted by Edward Albert
a resident of Green Acres
on Jun 30, 2012 at 7:16 pm

Wow.

"But Ravenswood has been actively preparing to serve more patients. The center received a $5 million grant under the Affordable Care Act to build a permanent facility in 2013-14. The new building would double patient capacity from 11,000 to 22,000 annually.

Ravenswood also received a $7.3 million grant on May 22 to help 19,000 patients manage their chronic conditions. The health-management program will save an estimated $6.2 million in health care costs, the center estimates, since people who don't get routinely treated for illnesses can end up requiring more costly care later."

How cool is that?!?

The wingnuts are going to bring up the constitution, and blather on about some amorphous taxes, but they won't have facts and substantiate them.

30 - 50 million get a chance to live better lives.

Cool.

Register to vote, boys and girls. You are needed to defend this historic achievement.


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Posted by Perspective
a resident of Greater Miranda
on Jul 1, 2012 at 7:14 am

"Wingnuts"? Gosh, you are right. I guess if the founding fathers and mothers were wingnuts who lost everything or died in a revolution for throwing off oppression, and then blathered on about individual rights, then count me in. If you don't understand what has happened to the only country that had a Bill of Rights that defended individual liberty, and what has happened to that defense in this process, there is no chance you ever will. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

Aside from the usual back and forth, which I am done with, please note the first sentence by the Democrat.

There will be "access", but not "increased access". As warned, rationing and lines a la "every other country" has hit. Let the screaming begin about it being "unfair" and that the "rich" have faster access and more choices! This is a never ending battle now with no "enough" in sight.


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Posted by daniel
a resident of Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Jul 1, 2012 at 8:42 am

All industrial nations have figured out a long time ago that health care is a basic individual right and that the profit motive should be taken out of it. Health care shouldn't be a business and it should be universal and financed by taxes, just like the nation's national defense is, they are one and the same. Individual rights are actually denied to the American people when health care is run by greedy corporations who deny access to millions and make it unaffordable to so many. The Affordable Care Act was nothing more than a health care insurance reform. We need to join the other industrial nations and make health care universal. Without it we are a third world nation and our decline will accelerate.


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Posted by musical
a resident of Palo Verde
on Jul 1, 2012 at 9:38 am

From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

I'm feeling less incentivized already.


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Posted by Edward Albert
a resident of Green Acres
on Jul 1, 2012 at 10:03 am

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Posted by Arturo
a resident of Menlo Park
on Jul 1, 2012 at 10:21 am

So, this means that in the future if I don't want to buy a pair of shoes or what have you, the government is going to "penalize me" in other words, TAX ME (us) for not being able to or fail to buy what I don't want and need? This is why they hiring 6,000 + IRS agents so that they can collect if WE failed to purchase health care. What about the homeless and those who can't afford it? Are they going to be required by law to buy it when in fact they will and can't afford it based on their income? Is the IRS going to collect money from them? Are they going to go to jail for not being able to purchase it? Is this makes any sense? Read the damn law if you can stand reading more than 2,700 pages of it. You will see how convoluted and complex this so called LAW is, it is a MANDATE in which the government is imposing its will on us.


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Posted by Juan R
a resident of Nixon School
on Jul 1, 2012 at 10:31 am

Arturo:

Read the law and you will find all the things you claim and ask are wrong wrong wrong. Coming from Rush and Fox, they have demostrated false already, like the stupid IRS story. The winner is the shoe analogy. Keep it up, it helps normal people easily identify the low information people who have no clue what they are talking aboy. So thanks for making it easy to identify you!

Arturo - the mandate is a republican idea, Romney used it in Romneycare. Should we abolish the personal responibilty mandate and just offer Medicare for all? No mandaten cover everyone.

Drop the republican/rmoney mandate and cover everyone?


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Posted by Edward Albert
a resident of Green Acres
on Jul 1, 2012 at 10:48 am

Another Fox lie promulgated on "low information voters" (I love that, good job, Juan!)

- Arturo's Baloney: "This is why they hiring 6,000 + IRS agents so that they can collect if WE failed to purchase health care."

- The Meat: Factcheck.org: "IRS says it needs 291 agents to enforce the law, including 193 to "ensure accurate delivery of tax credits." "

Claim of 6000 agents is actually "193 to deliver tax credits" from ObamaCare!!

Classic Fox bullpuckey!!!

The IRS has over 100,000 employees, and Arturo is listening to some Fox fantasy about ObamomneyCare hiring 6k when it's a couple hundred to deliver money to Americans. Next thing, Arturo will claim the billions to be refunded from insurance companies in August is all FAKE!!

And these "low information" posters keep posting more and more. One would think they would try google first.

Yo, Artie -- do you believe in the personal responsibility of Americans, who can afford it, should acquire their own insurance?

Or is Mitt Romney/RomneyCare's claim of personal responsibility just wrong?


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Posted by moving to Canada
a resident of College Terrace
on Jul 1, 2012 at 11:32 am

@Musical has lost his incentive.

Big sad.

He is going to move to Canada to get away from the socialism that is romneycare, to be somewhere where he can be free to not have healthcare.

Oh, right....


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Posted by shaking my head
a resident of Adobe-Meadows
on Jul 1, 2012 at 8:30 pm

It's like when Rush Limbaugh wanted to move to Costa Rica to escape big government! Go Rush and good riddance.

Some Americans are so ignorant that they don't evem know that we are (were?) the only "modern" country without some sort of universal healthcare.


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Posted by shaking my head
a resident of Adobe-Meadows
on Jul 1, 2012 at 9:12 pm

Or was is Glen Beck going to Costa Rica? Same thing ...


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Posted by daniel
a resident of Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Jul 2, 2012 at 8:21 am

The blue print for Romneycare care in Massachusetts, which Obamacare is modeled after, was created at the conservative think tank The Heritage Foundation. The bedrock of the Heritage plan was the individual mandates, which Mitt Romeny then renamed "The Personal Responsibly Mandates".


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Posted by Roberts-Has-Failed-Us-All
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jul 2, 2012 at 8:35 am

> Read the law

All 2700 pages .. including the phrases "the Secretary shall .."? When will those empty pieces be completed, and what will they say?

Let the rationing begin.

America will come to rue the day that Obama was elected.


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Posted by Edward Albert
a resident of Green Acres
on Jul 2, 2012 at 9:20 am

"Roberts-Has-Failed": "Let the rationing begin."

How does everyone having health insurance with private, for-profit health insurers ration healthcare?

Is this the same phony talking point as taxes?

Yo, RobertsHasFailed-- do you believe in the personal responsibility of Americans, who can afford it, should acquire their own insurance?

Yo Robbie: here is Mitt Romney, your conservative savior along with John Roberts explaining ObamaRomneyCare, back in 2006, at the conservative Heritage club Web Link#!

Conservatives rejoice! Mittens the Etch a Sketch will rescue you, with his sidekick Big Johnnie Roberts and the Heritage fairies with Fox-Beckian magic dust!

Enjoy, sweetie!


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Posted by Perspective
a resident of Greater Miranda
on Jul 2, 2012 at 9:43 am

For the millionth, and last time, States instituting a plan are one thing, FEDS doing it another.

PLEASE NOTE...1) Withholding of a STATE tax refund to those who "can afford" insurance ( please define "can afford"...$250,000 per year, or $25,000 per year?) and 2) not giving STATE driver's licenses to those who don't sign up for insurance ( called INCENTIVE) whether it be a government plan one already qualifies for or an individual private plan are very different STATE options from a FEDERAL Obamacare, where the FEDS can come to your door and force you to pay, or put you in jail if you don't. You have no place left to move to in the USA if you don't like it. If you lived in Mass and didn't like it, you could move. Our freedom is gone.

I realize it is a hard thing to grasp, but perhaps it is simply too late. Any understanding of STATE vs. FED in our Constitution has not been taught, evidently, since i was in school a long, long time ago.


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Posted by Edward Albert
a resident of Green Acres
on Jul 2, 2012 at 10:20 am

Perspective:
- do you have health insurance?
- are you below 400% of the federal poverty level? (about $95k for family of four, iirc)
- since you claim to have been in school, a long long long time ago, are you on Medicare?
- are you a citizen?

Back to taxes - which you are afraid of addressing... here's Romney's top EtchASketch guy:

- FEHRNSTROM: The governor believes that what we put in place in Massachusetts was a penalty and he disagrees with the court's ruling that the mandate was a tax.

- HOST: But he agrees with the president that it is not, that you shouldn't call the tax penalty a tax, you should call it a penalty or a fee or a fine?

- FEHRNSTROM: That's correct.


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Posted by Edward Albert
a resident of Green Acres
on Jul 2, 2012 at 10:25 am

Even though Romney makes a complete mockery of Perspecctive's tax claims, he will keep trying to take the subject away from what the ACA does. From the other thread (thanks, tip to Mateo) from the President.

Quote:

- "First, if you're one of the more than 250 million Americans who already have health insurance, you will keep your health insurance -- this law will only make it more secure and more affordable.

- Insurance companies can no longer impose lifetime limits on the amount of care you receive.

- They can no longer discriminate against children with preexisting conditions.

- They can no longer drop your coverage if you get sick.

- They can no longer jack up your premiums without reason.

- They are required to provide free preventive care like check-ups and mammograms -- a provision that's already helped 54 million Americans with private insurance.

- And by this August, nearly 13 million of you will receive a rebate from your insurance company because it spent too much on things like administrative costs and CEO bonuses, and not enough on your health care.

There's more.

- Because of the Affordable Care Act, young adults under the age of 26 are able to stay on their parent's health care plans -- a provision that's already helped 6 million young Americans.

- And because of the Affordable Care Act, seniors receive a discount on their prescription drugs -- a discount that's already saved more than 5 million seniors on Medicare about $600 each.

All of this is happening because of the Affordable Care Act."

End quote, from President Obama


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Posted by Roberts-Has-Failed-Us-All
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jul 2, 2012 at 12:27 pm

> Yo, RobertsHasFailed-- do you believe in the personal responsibility
> of Americans, who can afford it, should acquire their own insurance?

Of course not! Any more than anyone who has the means should have four children, or buy a house, or two cars, or have cosmetic surgery. People should be free to do what they want.

After the Roberts decision, they no longer are.


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Posted by Edward Albert
a resident of Green Acres
on Jul 2, 2012 at 12:50 pm

"> Yo, RobertsHasFailed-- do you believe in the personal responsibility of Americans, who can afford it, should acquire their own insurance?

Of course not!"

There ya go boys and girls, the conservatives are twisting themselves in knots - now personal responsibility is bad, and we should all pay for freeloaders like RobertsHasFailed.

Yo RobertsHasFailed, do you believe:

- Insurance companies should impose lifetime limits on the amount of care you receive?

- They should discriminate against children with preexisting conditions?

- They can drop your coverage if you get sick?

- They can jack up your premiums without reason?

- They should not provide free preventive care like check-ups and mammograms -- a provision that's already helped 54 million Americans with private insurance?

- this August, nearly 13 million will receive a rebate from your insurance company because it spent too much on things like administrative costs and CEO bonuses, and not enough on your health care?

- young adults under the age of 26 are able to stay on their parent's health care plans -- a provision that's already helped 6 million young Americans?

- because of the Affordable Care Act, seniors receive a discount on their prescription drugs -- a discount that's already saved more than 5 million seniors on Medicare about $600 each?

Please share with us what you believe about those questions. Here's a hint -- on almost all those issues individually, they enjoy the support of two thirds to three quarters of Americans.


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Posted by Socialists DreamLand
a resident of St. Claire Gardens
on Jul 2, 2012 at 1:29 pm

Lot of misinformed folks out there that think the Obama's helthcare is free. Nope, have to belong to a gov't approved health provider. Meanwhile all will be taxed to provide this extra care. Instead of insured folks with credited health insurance paying the bill for undocumented patients using emergency care as their health provider, now all documented Americans will pay an additional tax so that health care might be provided to all who show up at the emergency rooms. Never mind that Obama's bill didn't account for the shortage of medical personel necessary to provide this service, as long as the tax dollars keep rolling in. Guess we'll fix it when the whole system crashes. God Bless America!


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Posted by Edward Albert
a resident of Green Acres
on Jul 2, 2012 at 2:10 pm

"have to belong to a gov't approved health provider" You mean approved insurer? Duh. Every insurance company is regulated, otherwise they'd be even more crooked. Silly. Who would send money every month to an insurance company that wasn't regulated and required to follow rules and laws? Stupid is as stupid does, as someone already said.

"all will be taxed" Another Fox lie. Note the blanket statement, the lack of substantiation?

"...now all documented Americans will pay an additional tax so that health care might be provided to all who show up at the emergency rooms." That's a great one, talking about the old ways before the ACA, but throwing in the code word 'documented'.

"didn't account for the shortage of medical personnel necessary" Only thing holding back more doctors is the doctors lobby itself - the AMA.

"Guess we'll fix it when the whole system crashes" That's a classic - it WAS CRASHING. 50 million uninsured, some of the worst metrics in the industrialized world, etc.. Why would anyonme want that?

Yo, Socialists DreamLand, do you believe:

- Insurance companies should impose lifetime limits on the amount of care you receive?

- They should discriminate against children with preexisting conditions?

- They can drop your coverage if you get sick?

- They can jack up your premiums without reason?

- They should not provide free preventive care like check-ups and mammograms -- a provision that's already helped 54 million Americans with private insurance?

- this August, nearly 13 million will receive a rebate from your insurance company because it spent too much on things like administrative costs and CEO bonuses, and not enough on your health care?

- young adults under the age of 26 are able to stay on their parent's health care plans -- a provision that's already helped 6 million young Americans?

- because of the Affordable Care Act, seniors receive a discount on their prescription drugs -- a discount that's already saved more than 5 million seniors on Medicare about $600 each?

Please share with us what you believe about those questions. Here's a hint -- on almost all those issues individually, they enjoy the support of two thirds to three quarters of Americans.




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Posted by musical
a resident of Palo Verde
on Jul 3, 2012 at 1:24 am

No, I'm not moving to Canada. It's effectively illegal for doctors there to accept any direct out of pocket or private insurance payment for covered health services, at least in most provinces. I hope that's not where we are headed. The waiting list gets really long, but I guess it levels the accessibility inequalities, hence no incentive to save up anything extra for that rainy day.

Back to the topic of upholding the Affordable Care Act, if the Supreme Court ruling was this close, it's not the no-brainer that Oliver Wendell Douglas makes it out to be (sorry your 2nd post was deleted).


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Posted by Garrett
a resident of another community
on Jul 3, 2012 at 2:47 pm

Have some questions, remarks and wonder how this health thing will work. Number One, I am a single male, 48 years old which I self pay my insurance will the gov. take away my insurance. Number Two, what will the amount of the tax for me, $695 was one number I read, does this mean insurance or fine. We got some much info tossed around, facts or mis facts. Number Three, will we get some options, co-ops, public options, or do we just have to win and pay more. Number Four, will this happen before I retire or worse yet before I die from some illness. Number Five, will I watch people younger then me suffer or even die without car. I pay nearly 3,000 dollars a year, I don't mind paying but soon the costs will get too much for me.


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Posted by answers
a resident of Leland Manor/Garland Drive
on Jul 3, 2012 at 4:32 pm

Garrett -- You need to looks up some of the answers as they will be specific to you and your income level. Here's a good place to start: Web Link

- Number One, I am a single male, 48 years old which I self pay my insurance will the gov. take away my insurance.

No, of course not. You are doing the personally responsible action. You are not 'freeriding' or a 'freeloader' so there is not a tax or penalty.

- Number Two, what will the amount of the tax for me, $695 was one number I read, does this mean insurance or fine.

No tax, no fine. You are insured.

- Number Three, will we get some options, co-ops, public options, or do we just have to win and pay more.

Yes, some of which will be determined. See the web site. Sorry, the Public Option isn't really available. While probably the best solution for most would be a buy-in to Medicare, the Republicans will never allow it, thus we have to spend far more with insurance companies, for worse healthcare. Think about that when you vote.

- Number Four, will this happen before I retire or worse yet before I die from some illness.

Some parts are already in place (pre-existing conditions, removal of lifetime caps, etc.. some comes in 2014. Again, blame the republicans for blocking things.

- Number Five, will I watch people younger then me suffer or even die without car.

Not sure of the question, but the Affordable Care act (ObamaCare) helps children a lot! Adults under 26 can stay on their parent's plan. Again, see the website.

- - - -

The President had a good summary posted above:

- "First, if you're one of the more than 250 million Americans who already have health insurance, you will keep your health insurance -- this law will only make it more secure and more affordable.

- Insurance companies can no longer impose lifetime limits on the amount of care you receive.

- They can no longer discriminate against children with preexisting conditions.

- They can no longer drop your coverage if you get sick.

- They can no longer jack up your premiums without reason.

- They are required to provide free preventive care like check-ups and mammograms -- a provision that's already helped 54 million Americans with private insurance.

- And by this August, nearly 13 million of you will receive a rebate from your insurance company because it spent too much on things like administrative costs and CEO bonuses, and not enough on your health care.

There's more.

- Because of the Affordable Care Act, young adults under the age of 26 are able to stay on their parent's health care plans -- a provision that's already helped 6 million young Americans.

- And because of the Affordable Care Act, seniors receive a discount on their prescription drugs -- a discount that's already saved more than 5 million seniors on Medicare about $600 each.

All of this is happening because of the Affordable Care Act."



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