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on Jun 24, 2014
Just what we need, more retail being turned into office space.
I live in downtown and we don't every business to be downtown. There are plenty of office buildings out on E. Bayshore. We need to keep retail and restaurants to thrive. I just heard about another proposed 3 story office in building on Lytton between Waverley and Kipling. They are going to remove the older home, another small business bldg to have another giant. Build somewhere else in Palo Alto
Ms Dremann, can you tell us how many people they intend to hire (or inhabit the space) - and second, what is a business like this required to provide in terms of parking? Thank you!
I don't think the parking requirements are different currently between permitted uses. Actually the loss of a restaurant should free up more 2 and 3 hour parking.
Another reason NOT to go downtown with the continued replacement of retail/service businesses with all-day office workers.
I wonder if we're still paying that PA Travel Officer to promote PA tourism? If so, we might as well stop. New Flash: Office buildings aren't tourist destinations.
Same thing is happening in Mountain View. Why??????????????
What a shame...another retail establishment that contributed to the vibrancy of downtown Palo Alto, turned into another office building that does nothing for the town. Like many people who live in Palo Alto, I now barely walk down University Ave. So many of the places that used to make for a wonderful, local, pedestrian experience are gone (Borders to Samsung?). Little by little, downtown Palo is becoming an office park.
Aw, I have some very happy memories of taking my first dates to Zibibbo's. It was a magical spot back in the boom days of the 90's, with more than a few first dates stretching into breakfast dates, and even a couple long term relationships.
Must have been something in the water...what terrific memories. Pardon me now while a stare off into space while grinning stupidly.
16,000 sf at 7.45 NNN? Wow! No wonder the restaurant closed. I don't know if there is higher real estate anywhere! And she walked away with 11 million to retire on. Sheesh!
I just did the calculation, too. $120,000 a month rent PLUS utilities, taxes and maintenance? Wow. Just wow.
Yet more loss of sales tax revenue for the city. Yoohoo... anyone at city hall going to address this?
It's the number of all-day parkers (i.e. full time employees that will inhabit this building) that have us northerners nervous.
Lots of other reasons to be nervous as other posters above have written. I see I'm in good company.
Last weekend, I went and strolled in downtown Redwood City. Much nicer than downtown PA. RC has preserved its old buildings and has loads of character. The many mature trees make for a lovely cityscape. Theaters and a movie theater are there. Middlefield is now a one lane street which makes it basically pedestrian, with much pleasant outdoor sitting for cafes and restaurants. Many reasonably priced restaurants of all ethnic types. And no arrogant attitude issue unlike PA. Good job Redwood City!
It seems if you want to rezone retail to office, you need to be rich. I tried to help two owners of retail space on Park Blvd a few years ago. This was zoned retail in a commercial/residential condo development. At that time, there was very little retail traffic in that area. While the owners could have rented to doctors, dentists,or others needing office space, and while all the other owners of the commercial condos asked the city to allow the change, the City of Palo Alto would not grant the rezoning, even though it was only a space of about 1200 square feet. The space sat vacant for about three years. I hate to think that Palo Alto is now a city of who you know and how much money you have. I look forward to a new city council come November. Palo Alto is indeed in need of a change .
Does this building have any parking???
If not the Change of use is likely to contribute to the workday parking problem in downtown……not a great idea!
Hi Nervous northerner,
I've been trying to track down the information regarding the number of employees at the new AMEX site and the parking requirements. So far, the city building department has said the use will be "less intensive" than the restaurant, and the hours of operation will not be as long. They haven't provided specifics. I will be looking at plans on Friday and I'll post whatever I find here.
Sue Dremann, Staff Writer, Palo Alto Weekly/Palo Alto Online
I have seen these start up "incubators" . There are very few employees, but in a space of this size, the clients can be numerous (in the 100s?). All working in communal works spaces very close to each other. Unlike a restaurant where people often arrive in groups all of these workers will commute on their own.
Such a sad, sick use of retail space. Amex should know better and do better!
I highly doubt that Amex will pay the outrageous rent that Zibibbo's did. It sounds like the owner of the building REALLY wanted Zibibbo's outta there.
Zibibbo owned the building. She sold the building and closed the restaurant. The rent that was mentioned is what it may have been reported as the rent for this Amex venture.
I cannot for the life of me imagine that Amex would be fool enough to pay that kind of rent. No way is that outrageous sum a good investment!
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