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on Apr 2, 2014
He should sue the city. The city tacitly (arguable openly) supports the use of libraries, Cubberly, and other city managed properties as homeless shelters, so the city has the responsibility to make them safe places to live.
"He should sue the city. The city tacitly (arguable openly) supports the use of libraries, Cubberly, and other city managed properties as homeless shelters, so the city has the responsibility to make them safe places to live."
As long as Palo Alto gives a big wink to the homeless, Palo Alto must accept the responsibility. Oak trees are protected, until they fall on homeless people. Now we are in front of a major tort.
+1 to Mr. Recycle.
Nothing you can do say the police about the homeless and the loiterers ... But must I really wear a mask to the library to fend of odors? And must I pay a huge mortgage through my nose yet suffer taunts from the 7-11 gang when walking with kids?
Who is paying the bill for the specialized airbags and 40 minutes of a fine crew and equipment? Oh yeah I forgot ... My tax dollars at work.
Rational - You hit the nail on the head. The 7-11 gang is getting worse by the day. Walking past them alone or with a child is getting unbearable. They are taunting and getting in peoples faces with inappropriate comments. Yesterday one of them urinated between the dumpsters in the back of Cheesecake Factory. He saw me and still proceeded to pull down his pants and urinate. This town is getting disgusting!
What a ridiculous story. Where is the homeless man really from - I daresay not Palo Alto. Think of the taxpayer resources spent on this response.
"Using the restroom" on a community garden, "just happening to be going by there and deciding to spend the night there," yeah right, getting injured and now our taxpayer dollars spent to fix his injured leg at the hospital. Individuals need to start taking responsibility for themselves and make decent, responsible decisions OR become wards of the state in reasonable settings, not hanging out and peeing on someone's veggies OR threatening people in downtown, either.
Neighbor- perhaps something on the lines of the Workhouse?
I can't believe most these heartless comments. Does PA online print these comments in the interests of being a balanced media source? Or the lack of any other opinions? It seems that many people (like myself today) without much to do, waste their time on these negative opinions of someones' reality.
wow. I can't believe what heartless a-holes some of you are.. a man finds shelter from the cold in a garden shed and gets his leg crushed by a tree while he sleeps and all you can think about is the cost of helping him 'my tax dollars at work' so do you think we should have left him there to die? and you are right 'Bad news' this town is getting disgusting because people like you who don't give a crap about other human beings inhabit it. I wish one of your children ends up with a mental illness and finds themselves sleeping in a shed. maybe then you would have some compassion for others. Anybody think about how this man is feeling? is he in pain? is anyone caring for him? does he have any family that loves him? how could I help? probably not.
If you truly believe that paying a high mortgage should protect you and your children from the uglier realities of life, don't walk by a 7-11. Move to Atherton and have have everything delivered. If you think that the cops should be more proactive about ejecting the nastier loiterers from parking lots, complain to the cops and city council - relentlessly.
Would you critical people prefer to have your emergency responders decide to help others in jeopardy by seeing their bank statements first, or perhaps they should just ignore the homeless who are sick and injured? Or, maybe before you move to a place, find out if the city's culture matches your sense of civic duty?
Probably the homeless transient is a D R U N K or D R U G. A D D I C T
I dont feel sorry for these transients. They choose to live this way. He trespassed so its his own fault not the citys responsiby at all.
It's unfair to call me heartless when my lack of compassion is due to my mental deficiency.
Hmmm is right, the answer is to complain to the cops and city council - relentlessly. Mainly the City Council, because they are the ones who have tied the police department's hands. The city council passed the no car camping law to appease the homeowners, then suspended it to appease the homeless lobby. Whoever complains loudest wins in the town, and right now the homeless lobby is loud.
@BadNews - your situation is one of the few where the police could actually do something. Next time call the cops, and I guarantee they would have found that guy possessing drugs, or drunk in public, or with an outstanding warrant.
@ has a soul: a little hypocritical don't you think? Shame on you for wishing for mental illness on anyone.
The two transient men that "live" at the community garden have always been very polite. They keep to themselves (usually at opposite ends of the garden), spending the days reading or sitting outside. I hope the injured man is recovering safely.
@ Crescent Park Dad .. did you really think I was wishing for illness or are you just being silly? it's called making a point.. the man that was injured could be your son, your father, my son, my brother...and yes he could be a Palo Altan too.. he is not an 'other'. maybe if some of the people who are so callous towards a man because he was homeless could go volunteer for a couple of hours in a homeless center they might see there are lots of different types of people - many very kind, good people who end up down on their luck, whether it be financially or mentally, or both.
I've learned from someone that knew the man that was injured that he is a nice man and I'm glad to hear a compassionate person from the library visited him in the hospital. I hope he recovers and his luck changes for the better.
@Community Gardener - where do you think they go to the bathroom? Do you know if they have a criminal record?
@has a soul - If you think you are more compassionate because you support ignoring the problem, you are fooling yourself.
Whoa! Calling me heartless and then wishing homelessness inducing mental illness on my kids. What a warm heart you have.
Look, I am as much a Good Samaritan as you are and would have personally helped and have no issue with paying into a social safety net for everyone. That's what means to be an organized society. However, data (and the smoke odors from the 7-11 gang) show that the probability of drug addiction and repeated return to homelessness after "help" has been provided is higher.
I believe in helping people. But I also believe in holding them accountable for their actions. You can fool me once ...
By the way is your point also that only Atherton dwellers should have clean, family friendly neighborhoods? I think us poor Palo Altans, and by the same token the majority of cities and suburbs should strive for them. Of course by statistics and human nature a certain percentage of inhabited neighborhoods will be undesirable, but certainly not all neighborhoods except Atherton.
Oh, and I wish the individual a speedy recovery and return to a productive position into the society.
yeah my compassion isn't equally parceled out to all people.. any person, regardless of who, what, where, why on the planet that has a large object crush them in their sleep = loads of compassion. A-holes who rail against people who are crushed by large objects as they sleep, eh, not so much. And maybe you should check out a gated community where your special superior snowflakes won't have to be subjected to the horrors of the smell of smoke.. I hope you quickly cover little timmy's eyes and nose as you walk by 7 11 so he doesn't have to witness unkempt people and their dirty habits.. oh and make sure you never travel anywhere outside of peninsula, definitely don't go aboard.. lots of dirty, unproductive, smelly people that would most likely offend your senses..
Rational - it's not that I think that "only Atherton dwellers should have clean, family friendly neighborhoods". They actually do - if you're okay w/no sidewalks. I've spent a lot of time there and I don't see homeless people or miscreants yelling obscenities and insults as passersby. So if you can't solve the problem, sure, move if you can. But I prefer to needle, bother, harass and hold accountable those who can actually make my 'hood more livable - the city council, the police, code enforcement, the business owner or landlord who owns the property where the miscreants reside or hang out.
"I think us poor Palo Altans, and by the same token the majority of cities and suburbs should strive for them." Should - and you need to strive for them, as a resident. Except you're not poor, right? I love how PA residents always bemoan their lack of wealth compared to Atherton. Aren't some smaller countries poorer than the combined wealth of Atherton? And Palo Alto, for that matter. I can think of three billionaires just that I know of in your town. Don't feel sorry for yourselves - complain, whine, cajole and make demands. It's a PITA, but so are those nasty people you walk by.
"Of course by statistics and human nature a certain percentage of inhabited neighborhoods will be undesirable, but certainly not all neighborhoods except Atherton." Exactly. But Atherton is a good local example of a town that doesn't have jerks yelling obscenities at 7-11s. Of course, it doesn't have a 7-11, so that helps. But I think you get my point. Your 7-11 problem is solvable, but it takes a concerted effort to get some momentum going. Heck, maybe a little group of residents want to go protest that 7-11 and let the media know about it...
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