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Occupy protest in Palo Alto a study in quiet demonstration

Original post made on May 1, 2012

While police in riot gear lobbed tear gas and flash-bang grenades at Occupy demonstrators in Oakland, in Palo Alto, the home of many of the 1 percenters that the protesters oppose, the turnout was a quiet contrast to big-city angst.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Tuesday, May 1, 2012, 9:19 AM

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Posted by Arch Conservative
a resident of Menlo Park
on May 1, 2012 at 10:32 am

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Posted by May dday
a resident of Portola Valley
on May 1, 2012 at 11:11 am

Oh, Archie, so sorry I missed your deleted post.

Pray tell, was it a rant against peaceful, law abiding, constitutionally protected free speech?

Be careful, some of their cars may have radical bumper-stickers, like: "bin Laden is dead, General Motors is Alive!"

And to all, a happy May Day!


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Posted by Brandt Hardin
a resident of Greater Miranda
on May 1, 2012 at 11:16 am

The Occupy Movement is NECESSARY for our citizens to expose the corruption which Big Business has infected our Government with. Every single person occupying the streets and protesting Corporations is a hero and a patriot. I was compelled to lend a hand and create some new posters for the movement which you can download for free on my artist's blog at Web Link


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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on May 1, 2012 at 11:22 am


This what the Occupy groups did in SF last night.

" The vandals threw paint and eggs and smashed windows at more than 30 businesses, including Tartine Bakery at 18th and Guerrero streets and clothing store Weston Wear on Valencia.

Both luxury and everyday vehicles along Valencia and Guerrero streets were damaged. An Aston Martin had its windshield shattered, and brown paint covered the hood.

Pink and yellow paint marred the barricaded, cracked glass doors of the Mission police station at 17th and Valencia streets.

"It was like the station was under siege," said an officer, who asked not to be named. "

Web Link

We hope the PAPD have their riot gear ready for use today


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Posted by May dday
a resident of Portola Valley
on May 1, 2012 at 11:30 am

Vandals are not protesters and should be arrested.

One notes the fringe that wants to see trouble break out, witness: "We hope the PAPD have their riot gear ready for use today"

Disgusting.

Normal folk pray for peace, abnormals wish for violence against constitutionally protected speech.

Simply disgusting.

Archie says something so bad or violent he gets censored immediately, Sharon hopes for violence.

Pray for peace.


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Posted by Arch Conservative
a resident of Menlo Park
on May 1, 2012 at 12:09 pm

Believe me, there was nothing violent in my post. Objectionable to some people, undoubtedly yes, as evidenced by the Weekly's deletion. Nothing against "constitionally guaranteed free speech"- Just comments on the protestors.


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Posted by Arch Human
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on May 1, 2012 at 12:17 pm

"...Occupy Palo Alto will put together improvisational, collaborative non-violent direct actions..."

Miming for a meme?

Cool, actually sounds like the mission statements for all the hip tech startup venture funded companies in the social, mobile, collaboration, cloud, Web 3.0 spaces.


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Posted by Hmmm
a resident of East Palo Alto
on May 1, 2012 at 12:46 pm

As is often the case, Sharon is mistaken. The group causing the problems last night in SF were not Occupy.


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Posted by Anarchy or peaceful demonstration
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on May 1, 2012 at 1:18 pm

I hope they will behave civily. Though I appreciate the Occupy movement concerns, vandalism and violence undermines respect for the message.

City Council, I am surprised and disappointed that you are considering cuts to our grossly understaffed PAPD peacekeepers. Daily traffic safety problems are bad enough...now this. I'd like to know that someone is out there enforcing the law. Public safety should be your FIRST priority. Please do NOT cut officers.


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Posted by jokk
a resident of St. Claire Gardens
on May 1, 2012 at 2:47 pm

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Posted by Mark
a resident of Palo Verde
on May 1, 2012 at 4:04 pm

It's Tuesday--most of us are at work. Instead of resenting those who have something to show for their labor over years of work and sacrifice, I suggest to all Occupy members that instead of occupying something that is not yours, instead, stand up and get busy, take the steps that the rest of the successful people have: go to, or go back to school, (night school while you work a day job) get your GE out of the way, transfer in to a 4 year university, graduate, get a job, work hard, defer gratification, in short-- join the American System--a system that rewards said steps.


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Posted by Wondering?
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on May 1, 2012 at 4:08 pm

> the collection of events will focus on important issues in the
> labor and immigrants-rights movements.

And just what might those important issues be?


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Posted by defere
a resident of Southgate
on May 1, 2012 at 4:27 pm

yeah,''defer gratification'', like food clothing human rights if youre unfortunately born white and you never get searched by cops when youre on your way to meet an international business friend who is caucasian and highly regarded. youre late for meetings and frazzled after being ILLEGALLY searched. yeah .piece of cake , this american systtem. go back to daddys farm or inheritance or simple right to go anywhere without being ''searched'' for half an hour. never happened to you so you cannot imagine it. pipedream americans wont make it anyway.


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Posted by mar
a resident of Palo Verde
on May 1, 2012 at 4:31 pm

mark is off mark.''sacrifice'', yeah the sacrifice of african people and indians so you can have your garages. peoples lives ''sacrificed'' for your flaccid A##!


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Posted by June Day
a resident of Los Altos
on May 1, 2012 at 4:37 pm

"Instead of resenting those who have something to show for their labor over years of work and sacrifice,"

Wow. Talk about not 'getting it'!! Working Americans are the 99% that Occupy is siding with. Protecting jobs. Education. Fighting the Wall Street fat cats that helped bring about this terrible economy and yet still profit obscenely from it. The Wall Street banksters that are dumping unlimited money into the political system under Citizens United.

Why would anyone resent the average hardworking American?

Go talk to them. Most I've talked with are employed, though like many in this recession, they are underemployed and can't wait to get through this recession and work harder and longer to make it.

If you think it's just a bunch of anarchists and DFH's, turn off Fox and go take a look.


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Posted by Wondering?
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on May 1, 2012 at 5:03 pm

> they are underemployed

And just how does someone come to be "underemployed"? Are these jobs assigned by the government, or personal choices?


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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on May 1, 2012 at 5:17 pm

" quiet demonstration"-so far-dont hold your breath--it is not dark yet

The demonstrations in NY, Oakland, SF etc have been violent-

-even before the sun set.

Occupy has a violent anarchist component-we saw them in PA a few years ago and it required riot squads, mounted police and helicopters to drive them out of Palo Alto.

We hope the night ends peacefully-

- but Occupy has not dealt adequately with their violent faction


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Posted by Hmmm
a resident of East Palo Alto
on May 1, 2012 at 5:49 pm

Sharon, either you're ignorant of the facts of you don't care about the facts. The anarchists active in PA a few years ago were NOT occupy. The ones active last night in SF were NOT occupy.

As for what "underemployed" means - it means what it sounds like. People who lose jobs often have to cobble together various part time jobs or only manage to land one part time job for awhile, hence the term underemployed. It also means being overeducated, overexperienced or overskilled for a job. If you have a Master's in education but lose your job as a teacher because you didn't have tenure & you take a part time job driving a cab & another part time job delivering pizzas for Domino's or your sister's pizza joint, you're underemployed.

As for Occupy, the majority of the people I know involved in Occupy are well-educated & over 30 - same demographic as me. Some have flexible work schedules, some don't so they do it on weekends. I know several Occupiers who're retired, a couple who're tradespeople. One is a NYT bestselling novelist, one is a minister, two are counselors, one is a college-educated union employee, one's a retired Ph.D. chemist & his retired wife does volunteer work against human trafficking, a number of them are in high tech, & a number of them are moms, both working & stay at home. While some are malingering hangers-on who'll protest the direction the wind is blowing, I've only seen them, I don't know them. The majority of Occupiers many are angry & worried about the world they're leaving their children & grandchildren. They believe in democracy, not corporatocracy; they're not anarchists, nor are they violent. They have responsibilities in the world but have made time to stand up against what they don't believe in & in their everyday lives, they fight for what they believe in.


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Posted by nion
a resident of Greenmeadow
on May 1, 2012 at 5:54 pm

They better not come into our neighborhood. We don't tolerate violence or freedom to protest.


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Posted by June Day
a resident of Los Altos
on May 1, 2012 at 6:12 pm

You're kidding, right?

Don't know the term 'underemployed' in reference to this recession?!? How is that sand, does it make your head comfortable down there?

Let me help: it's not like 'under-curious', which is where certain folks don't pay enough attention to real life to even be bothered to notice, or even look up a word. That would be you.

Underemployed, per wiki: "Underemployment can refer to:

1. "Overqualification" or "overeducation", or the employment of workers with high education, skill levels, and/or experience in jobs that do not require such abilities. For example, a trained medical doctor who works as a taxi driver would experience this type of underemployment.
2. "Involuntary part-time" work, where workers who could (and would like to) be working for a full work-week can only find part-time work. "

For example, a line worker getting hours cut until demand returns, a service worker getting hours cut, forced to work two jobs, etc..

Even a professional, such as a lawyer or such who can't get as many billable hours as they might normally due to the current economy.


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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on May 1, 2012 at 7:40 pm



@Posted by Hmmm, a resident of East Palo Alto

Please share your experiences with Occupy in EPA

Palo Alto property owners, like us, have legitimate concerns about Occupy violence-

-the FBI have just arrested a group of Occupy terrorists who planned to blow up a bridge, the riots continue in SF, Oakland, NY, Atlanta, Chicago, LA and elsewhere

We hope for a peaceful night in Palo Alto but the PAPD needs to be alert and active.


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Posted by Wondering?
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on May 1, 2012 at 7:51 pm

> underemployment—where have you been living?

Well, I have been living with the memories of my dad, who in 1929 had to drop out of elementary school in the 6th grade (at 12 years old) in order to work in a butcher shop for 75 cents a day, and all the scrap meat he could carry home, to help his mother keep the family together (same for his brother too). My grandmother had to give up her home, and move in with a cousin, in order to reduce her monthly outlays to a point where she could survive. My aunt (her daughter), was sent away to live with another family, and never again lived with her mother and brothers.

Does the date 1929 mean anything to you overeducated and underemployed Occupy folks?

A decade or so after that, my father and his brother, found himself in the military—fighting the greatest War that had ever been fought—hoping to save the US, and the rest of the world from the blackness of the Third Reich.

Does the date December 1941 mean anything to you overeducated, underemployed, Occupy folks?

And then I was drafted myself, to help keep Vietnam from becoming communists—while so many well-educated Americans (maybe like yourself, and your Occupy friends) screamed at us in disdain—because we were not as well educated as those who could buy draft deferments. Talk about "underemployed"? Well, been there, done that! And guess what—I survived, just as my Dad and all of his brother survived. They all returned home, although one spent the better part of a year in a German POW Camp. Again, talk about being underemployed? Guess how many of us were college and university grads that ended up fighting that war?

Just how many of you Occupy supporters can make such claims?

Certainly sitting in some classroom, being granted a degree in this, that, or the other, gives you the right to a job, the right to never be fired, the right to be able to do what you want—while never having to worry about anything? Right?

Certainly all of those "underemployed" Occupy folks have every right to hate the society that gave them a free K-12 education, and in many cases subsidized their post-secondary education, too. Certainly all of those "underemployed" Occupy folks have every right to expect a job, at a salary commensurate with their education and skill level—even if they can't do very much! Right?

And certainly having a degree means that you shouldn't have to prepare for uncertain economic times—because "they" didn't give you any classes in "self preservation", or "going it alone" .. did they? No, "they" promised you nothing but a walk in the park, didn't "they"?

Sorry .. but any one who is a little older than fifty, is probably not going to be all that sympathetic to those who were born with what is increasingly looking like a silver spoon in their mouths—whether they see it as such, or not. The last generation made the world safe for you, but that's not enough for your lot, is it?

If you are "underemployed"—then you probably have no one but yourself to blame but yourself. If you can't find a job to your liking where you are living, maybe it's time to look somewhere else, or think about doing something else. What good is all of that "overeducation" if you can't think yourself out of a wet paper bag, or a slightly bad recession?


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Posted by clueless
a resident of Midtown
on May 1, 2012 at 7:55 pm

Sharon will be disappointed if there is no trouble in PA tonight. Of course like most if her predictions, thus one will be wrong.


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Posted by Hmmm
a resident of East Palo Alto
on May 1, 2012 at 10:27 pm

Sharon - there is no Occupy in EPA. The people I described in previous posts lives in various cities & have protested in Redwood City, Palo Alto, SF & Oakland. I'm not involved w/Occupy, although I've done some community relations work w/some of them. The people are described are from my personal life & not from my professional or volunteer work.

The people in your town today were peaceful, which was their goal. Most grandparents & people in their 80s aren't the most violent of protestors.

I'm also a property owner, but not here in EPA. PA property owners in your area clearly have little to worry about - you're nowhere near downtown or City Hall, which is where most protests happen in PA, as you know. You're in more danger getting hit driving to Safeway than you are experiencing Occupy violence in Palo Alto.

The guys w/the bomb aren't Occupiers, as I'm sure you know. They're anarchists in their own little anti-social group, not Occupiers. Please, get a grip - you'll breathe easier.


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Posted by haha
a resident of Downtown North
on May 1, 2012 at 10:48 pm

Wondering?

Best post I have read. Guess that's why they call it the "entitlement generation."


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Posted by clueless
a resident of Midtown
on May 1, 2012 at 10:51 pm

Sharon should be aware that the vandalism in SF was the work of right wing republicans, tea party members and disgruntled Chinese Americans


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Posted by Hmmm
a resident of East Palo Alto
on May 1, 2012 at 11:19 pm

It's sad that Wondering wasted that tough-stance post on those reading this thread instead of the 1% in this country. Wondering has no clue what Occupiers are upset about - & it has nothing to do w/what Wondering perceives the Occupiers believe they're entitled to. But Wondering doesn't sound like s/he wants to know - they just want to make Occupiers wrong for literally demonstrating their perspective on the current state of the country's economy. It's irrelevant that Wondering refuses to accept all of the definitions for "underemployed". It's silly that Wondering also qualifies this recession as "slightly bad".

But Wondering would rather stay married to their opinion not based on the facts instead of realizing that their axe to grind against the current younger generations is irrelevant - because that axe has been sharpened on wrong information.


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Posted by Sharon in disguise
a resident of Midtown
on May 2, 2012 at 1:00 am

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Posted by June Day
a resident of Los Altos
on May 2, 2012 at 9:20 am

Wondering's hero worship of his father and uncle was an interesting read.

His own history "And then I was drafted myself, to help keep Vietnam from becoming communists" is the part that conflicts with the hero worship. His father and uncle were saying the same things in the early 70's about Vietnam protesters. Who was right?

Vietnam IS communist, and exports a lot of products to us. If Wondering puts on his reading glasses and looks at the clothing labels in his family's closets, he'll see a lot of items manufactured there, taking away American textile jobs (particularly cotton items; total exports to US in 2010 - $15 Billion.)

Who was right in the Vietnam war protests?

50,000 dead Americans. More bombs dropped than WWII. Millions killed.

$15 Billion America dollars and jobs going to Vietnam.

History has defined the answer.

Today? Wondering claims that anyone unemployed or underemployed in this recession is their own fault.

World: meet 'Wondering' the odd screen name for someone who isn't curious, intellectually or otherwise. Strident, arrogant, and all-knowing. We shall be forever in his debt for sharing his version of history, self-determination and respect for the constitutionally protected right of assembly and free speech.

The south end of a north bou........

As for "but any one who is a little older than fifty", that fits me to a tee, and I see see this upcoming generation as screwed: massive loan debt (a trillion in debt, which Wondering didn't have) an incredibly tight job market (export of high paying engineering and technology jobs,) constant war (as soon as the GOP is back in charge) and it's accompanying debt, etc...

Good luck kids. You'll need it.

I respect the peaceful protesters. If we had been doing our job a decade ago and been out in the streets, America wouldn't have spent trillions in borrowed war debt for Iraq and Afghanistan, and would have kept the costs of education down, investing in America's future, as our parents did for us.


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Posted by moi
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on May 2, 2012 at 10:17 am

I miss the days when people gathered by the tens of thousands to peaceably protest injustice and governmental abuse.

Photographic evidence of such peaceful protests speaks volumes.

Lately, it seems that most protest is of the online petition "click to send" and "please forward this via Twitter/Facebook/email" ilk.

Too ethereal for my taste.


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Posted by Garrett
a resident of another community
on May 2, 2012 at 11:08 am

At least the PA rally was calm and peaceful. People will join a protest like this, nothing wrong with signs, protest in front of building but let people come and go, they will see the signs. My idea of protest is be polite, kind and present yourself in a manner to WOW people. No need to destroy, trash, smash, paint, throw or even scream, do any of the above you will just have people tune you out and ignore you. Or worse yet, police are called and you will get arrested. Protest the problem but don't become the problem.


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Posted by Arch Conservative
a resident of Menlo Park
on May 2, 2012 at 11:23 am

Wow!
Gee!
Eight people showed up at City Hall. And this merits 8 inches of newsprint? Is there a Pulitizer Prize in the offing?


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Posted by Enough!
a resident of Charleston Gardens
on May 2, 2012 at 11:24 am

We all have a right to protest. However, we do NOT have a right to destroy the property of others. Instead of a token arrest and fine, I believe that each person who had property damaged in the course of a demonstration should be given the address of the jerk/s who did the damage, then be allowed damage property belonging to THAT person. Maybe a little simple justice is what's needed here. These destructive idiots don't seem to learn any other way.


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Posted by June Day
a resident of Los Altos
on May 2, 2012 at 11:46 am

The thread started with folks praising non-violent protest, yet only two posters call for actual violence:

- 'Sharon' with her pleas for violence "we hope the PAPD have their riot gear ready for use today" as 'May Day' pointed out

and

- 'Enough' who calls for vigilantes roaming the street causing mayhem: "should be given the address of the jerk/s who did the damage, then be allowed damage property belonging to THAT person"

What is it about these alleged 'conservatives' and their hell-bent destructive calls to violate laws and subvert the Constitution?

Perhaps these strange types would be happier in Somalia or some other country without the Rule of Law. They are not welcome in our law-abiding society any more than the few anarchists and criminals that show up in otherwise peaceable protests. They are equals, equally bad for America and our local communities.

Sharon + 'enough' = anarchists + criminals

They all need to go away, or change their ways and live peaceably without advocating violence. No wonder our children and grandchildren are so worried about our country.


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Posted by Hmmm
a resident of East Palo Alto
on May 2, 2012 at 11:53 am

Garrett - great post. When I've protested, I've been quiet & respectful. I organized a protest some years back in Palo Alto & even the people we protested against were impressed w/how well it all went. It's not hard at all to stay respectful and peaceful - it's a matter of relating to everyone around you, even the aspects of those you protest against to which you can relate or appreciate.

My heart was NOT broken when I saw photos last night of the wrench in the Wells Fargo window, but of course the expense will be passed on to its customers. I wish the protestors had thought of that AND that such actions separate the protestors from the regular folks that have to deal with cleanup. It's wrong to destroy the property of others & that conveniently gets forgotten.

Enough! - seriously? It's because of beliefs like yours that we have the laws that we do - not just because we have protestors, but because we have so many who believe in vigilante justice. It's tempting, isn't it?

Arch Conservative - is that all you can say? Being snide about the tiny, mellow protest is small, even for you. Aren't you proud that so many have fought hard to preserve the rights of citizens, including the right to peaceful assembly?


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Posted by Wondering?
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on May 3, 2012 at 8:55 am

> Wondering has no clue what Occupiers are upset about –
> & it has nothing to do w/what Wondering perceives the
> Occupiers believe they're entitled to

Occupy Shakes Up Oakland Businesses:
Web Link

Earlier on Tuesday, about 40 Occupy protesters swarmed into Bittersweet Cafe, also on Broadway near 14th.

"It was scary," co-owner Diana Meckfessel said. "They came in,
ripped up stuff, grabbed chairs and said 'We're shutting you down;
you're not supposed to be open today.' "
----

It's a little hard to see much difference in how these "noble Occupiers" are really much different than the street thugs that comprised the rank-and-file of Ernst Rohm's SA—the "organization" that helped to eventually get Adolph Hitler elected as the German Prime Minister in 1933:

Web Link

Since Occupy seems pretty disorganized, no direct comparison to Rohm's SA can be made; however, a clear relationship between the kinds of people who are roaming the streets today, frightening—even terrorizing—some businesses, can be drawn to those pre-NAZI street thugs of the early 1930s in Germany.

> Wondering has no clue what Occupiers are upset about –
> & it has nothing to do w/what Wondering perceives the
> Occupiers believe they're entitled to

Maybe. But does anyone really know what Occupy's message is? At least during the Vietnam war the student "message" was clear—"I don't want to fight in this war". Not exactly a message that resonated with their parents and grandparents, but at least it was crystal clear.

But what about "Occupy-ers"? What is their message, what is it that they want? Well, here's a peak--

OCCUPY ON DISPLAY: WHEN I GROW UP, I WANT TO BE A PROFESSIONAL PROTESTER!
Web Link

To date, nothing of substance has emerged from this motley crew. What has emerged is a lot of media attention to children who are poorly educated, and not able to articulate little more than the products of very muddled minds.


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Posted by musical
a resident of Palo Verde
on May 3, 2012 at 11:47 am

Fail. Godwin's law of Nazi Analogies is again verified: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1."


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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on May 3, 2012 at 11:48 am

Just more leftist propaganda...leading to mass murder.

The only freedom in the modern world is based on capitalism.


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Posted by June Day
a resident of Los Altos
on May 3, 2012 at 1:27 pm

Gary rears his head?!?

Time to talk about how communist China's capitalism is his favorite! And how he used to be a socialist and all the rest of his tired rants.

musical - Good call on Godwin's law.


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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on May 3, 2012 at 1:36 pm

"Gary rears his head?!?"

I am always willing to speak truth against socialist tyranny. I learned the hard way. I think it is in my genes, somehow.

The "occupy" movement is the same old leftist thing...leading to mass murder, if one connects the socialist dots. It would be boring, if it was not so dangerous.


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Posted by June Day
a resident of Los Altos
on May 3, 2012 at 2:01 pm

"if one connects the socialist dots. It would be boring"

It's beyond boring and repetitive the way you connect things no logical or thinking person would ever imagine connecting.

Let's start you off.... your first claim is that Obama is a 'socialist' (after years of calling him a Muslim Fascist Radical Christian born in Kenya)... hold it right there.

If he is a socialist and not a capitalist, why is Wall Street doing so well? Bush gave him a Dow average around 8,000 and now it's over 13,000. 25 consecutive months of private sector job growth while the public sector shed a half million jobs.

Obama the socialist raised all our 401k's (that invested in the market) by almost 50%. (Dow from around 8k to over 13k)

"The fastest growth in U.S. manufacturing in 10 months gave stocks a lift Tuesday and pushed the Dow Jones industrial average to its highest close in more than four years. A measure of manufacturing employment also reached a nine-month high, a hopeful sign ahead of Friday's monthly jobs report. The Dow added 65.69 points to 13,279.32, its highest closing mark since Dec. 28, 2007"

Your fringe fantasy talking points about socialism only resonate around Fox sheeple. The rest of us look at facts.

Go away. before long you will be glorifying and gloating about violence like Sharon and "enough" did above.


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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on May 3, 2012 at 2:45 pm

"after years of calling him a Muslim Fascist Radical Christian born in Kenya)... hold it right there."

Where did I say that?

I have often called Obama an empty suit and a socialist (becasue he is), but I don't regard him as how you describe him.

I refuse to criticize his foreign war policy, and I celebrate his successes, where they occur, because criticism of an American president, at war, should stop at the water's edge, IMO. Obama will be left with his own legacy, in terms of national security, including Iraq and Afghanistan.


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Posted by June Day
a resident of Los Altos
on May 3, 2012 at 2:50 pm

"a socialist (becasue he is)"

Dow's at 13,000

Your well-diversified 401k is up a lot from inauguration.

QUICK!!!! change the subject! Iraq and Afghanistan.... Oh yeah, Obama killed Bin Ladin....

QUICK!!!! change the subject!

Again.


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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on May 3, 2012 at 3:19 pm

Obama is a socialist, because he believes that he is, and he acts like one. He is proud of it. Why deny it, he has the "tell" (if you have ever played poker, you will know what I am saying...)?

The fact that the private marketplace is ahead of him, is testimony to the fact that that free people can always get ahead of socialist tyrants, if given the possibility.


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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on May 3, 2012 at 5:49 pm


Palo Alto has 64,403 residents with a day time additional visitors of 25,000 +.

Out of a local group of 100,000

8 people showed up for Occupy

That is 0.00008% support for Occupy in Palo Alto

Good- sounds about right.

Clearly the police action in driving out anarchists and outside agitators with riot squads, mounted units and helicopters taught them a lesson they will not forget.

Good job!


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Posted by Los Lonely
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on May 3, 2012 at 6:00 pm

Gary's consistent, at least.

"Obama is a socialist, because he believes that he is, and he acts like one"

Fact Free Gary, all the time... just a bunch of (warped) opinion. June Day has you nailed.


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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on May 3, 2012 at 8:44 pm

Obama injects his personality into macro economic issues. He tries to force solar power over fossil fuels; stops the Keystone pipeline; props up Government Motors; imposes hyper regulation of the business stream; pushes for socialist medicine; rewards his leftist supporters over the free market, etc. He is a socialist. Why would any rational person deny this?


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Posted by Hmmm
a resident of East Palo Alto
on May 3, 2012 at 9:56 pm

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Posted by Los Lonely
a resident of another community
on May 4, 2012 at 9:14 am

As I said: Gary's consistent, at least. "Obama is a socialist, because he believes that he is, and he acts like one". Fact Free Gary, all the time... just a bunch of (warped) opinion. June Day has you nailed.

Listen to Fact Free Gary, he'll be happy to repeat it: "He is a socialist. "

No facts, that's why he is Fact Free Gary.

Can't explain why American markets love Obama the capitalist so much, so Fact Free Gary just repeats that he is a socialist.

from June: "If he is a socialist and not a capitalist, why is Wall Street doing so well? Bush gave him a Dow average around 8,000 and now it's over 13,000. 25 consecutive months of private sector job growth while the public sector shed a half million jobs."

Obama/Biden: bin Ladin is Dead and General Motors is Alive

But keep listening to FF Gary - Obama's a socialist, all evidence to the contrary




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Posted by Los Lonely
a resident of another community
on May 4, 2012 at 9:41 am

FF Gary, here's some facts:

April jobs for the last 6 years
April 2007: +72,000 Bush
April 2008: -208,000 Bush
April 2009: -692,000 3 months after Bush, still in the trench of the Bush recession job losses
April 2010: +239,000 Obama Stimulus kicks in
April 2011: +251,000 Obama
April 2012: +115,000 Obama

We have a lot of work to do, your childish claiming the President is a socialist is just meant to block America form moving forward.

Yes, FF Gary, I said 'forward'.


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Posted by clueless
a resident of Midtown
on May 4, 2012 at 10:40 am

PA Weekly editors say:
Do not worry Sharon, we will remove all postings that are critical of your wise and spot-on comments. After all you are a valuable asset whose favor we want to cultivate. Especially since we share your views on most everything. Let us know whatelse we can do to make you happy.


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Posted by Hmmm
a resident of East Palo Alto
on May 4, 2012 at 11:28 am

clueless, to be fair, my post that was removed did make fun of her & another commenter & I knew it would be removed at some point. Did you read it?


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Posted by clueless
a resident of Midtown
on May 4, 2012 at 11:57 am

Hmmm-I was referring to my posts where i stated that Sharon's comments were off the wall, but at least they were amusing. However I did read yours as well and did not see anything radically wrong with it.
Of course with the Weekly policy of trying to curry favor with certain posters and not recognizing what journalistic responsibilty entails, I am not surprised that our posts were removed. The Weekly, like Sharon's posts, are not really to be taken seriously.


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Posted by Hmmm
a resident of East Palo Alto
on May 4, 2012 at 12:34 pm

Well, I figure that mine & yours were removed because we weren't being nice to Sharon. Many of her posts get removed for similar reasons, too.

You really think that they're trying to curry favor? I don't see that, I guess! Ah, to be so influential of a commenter!


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Posted by clueless
a resident of Midtown
on May 4, 2012 at 12:48 pm

Hmmm,- the weekly has become all about supporting the right people and not upsetting certain community members. That is why they are a rubber stamp for the council. The is why, for example, the HSR boondoggle gets no scrutiny for the actions of certain council members. The weekly is now asking us to fund their
" journalistic" endeavors. For some reason Sharon has an almost open forum to make unfounded claims,.put words in peoples mouths and bash liberals, Israel, and whomever else is on her list.


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