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Smokers win big victory in Sunnyvale!

Original post made by Jim Neal on Mar 23, 2012

Less than a month after the Mountain View City Council passed its controversial draconian anti-smoking ordinance which takes effect in May, the Sunnyvale City Council considered a very similar ordinance this past Tuesday (March 20th).

Both sides were very well represented at the meeting which lasted until nearly midnight. The Sunnyvale City Council appeared to be very well informed about the aspects of the changes to the ordinance itself and the majority of their questions were to supporters and opponents of the ban regarding health and safety issues as well as private property and individual rights.

Supporters of the ban told stories of relatives that had died as a result of smoking related illnesses, quoted surgeon general statistics, and brought in jars filled with thousands of cigarette butts that they said had been collected in the City's public parks.

Opponents to the ban , which included many business owners on Murphy Avenue, pointed out that the businesses on Murphy Ave were just starting to recover after the redevelopment of the streets there. All the bars there have clientele from 10% to 50% that are smokers, and all contended that their businesses would be greatly harmed should the patio smoking ban pass. Other opponents, including myself, pointed out that while the smoking related deaths were regrettable, everyone that smokes chooses to do so.

I gave the example of my own Grandmother who died from a smoking related illness, but while she was alive, threw parties every week and also drank. In other words, she enjoyed
her life to the fullest! I told the Council that I intended to do the same and that no one has a right to tell me how to live my life.

A Stanford University study was also provide which showed that exposure to second hand smoke in an outdoor setting has minimal to no effect unless you are sitting less than a foot away or there is heavy smoke in the area. With a strong wind the smoke can reach up to about 6 1/2 feet.

I also collected 110 signatures in one week from patrons, employees, and owners of the affected businesses. Although the city had its own online survey of over 460 people, I pointed out that there was no way to know if the people filing out the online survey had even ever visited the affected businesses.

The Sunnyvale City Council made a balanced decision that should have been very satisfactory to both sides. They decided to ban smoking in children's areas and in public parks and rejected the idea of banning smoking on business patios and golf courses.

This solution, I believe would have worked perfectly well in Mountain View also. It will be interesting to see in the next few months how much business Castro Street will lose to Murphy avenue. If this happens, we will all know why.

Jim Neal
jrodricneal@hotmail.com
Old Mountain View

Comments (6)

Posted by huge defeat for kids, a resident of Adobe-Meadows
on Mar 23, 2012 at 2:37 pm

Smokers beat up on families and kids. What kind of a "victory" is that?


Posted by curmudgeon, a resident of Downtown North
on Mar 23, 2012 at 3:35 pm

"no one has a right to tell me how to live my life"

Live your life as you wish, and keep it out of my lungs.


Posted by Chris Zaharias, a resident of Crescent Park
on Mar 24, 2012 at 2:54 pm

I quit 7 months ago and always knew I didn't want to be a smoker forever. Once I realized I wasn't actually giving anything up by quitting, it was easy to stop.

Society should focus on helping smokers realize that there's no such thing as withdrawal, and that you start feeling noticeably better within 30 minutes of stopping. Thinking that laws to ban smoking in public places will have any effect - either in protecting non-smokers or helping smokers smoke less - are misguided in my opinion.

Last, those inclined to overbearing regulations such as the one put forth here should listen very closely to the voice of business, which is *very* clearly against this.


Posted by Jon, a resident of Midtown
on Mar 24, 2012 at 3:56 pm

The nexis of tobacco and booze is very clear. Put together, they are very enjoyable for those who, at that moment, want to enjoy their moments. This is very obvious.

The problem is that second-hand smoke forces others to suffer the enjoyment of the others. Booze is OK, to a certian level, but not at higher levels. Self evident, I think.

Smokers can enjoy the nicotine buzz by switching to smokeless tobacco ('dip' aka chewing tobacco). Definitely not a healthy habit, but neither is smoking. Pick your poison. At least with 'dip' it does not force the others next to you to breathe in your smoke.

Those who like their booze, in the public realm, have a way to protect the public safety (mostly), by having an identified booze-free driver, or to hire a cab to take them home.

If we go back to de-facto prohibition, we will be left with the problems of enforcement, as well as the undergoround economies that generate organized crime. Speak-Easy, anyone? Raids? Tommy guns?

There is a strong moralist component to the current politics, both the left and right. This is a common strain in American politics, and it is nothing new. The overriding issue is that free people want to be free to enjoy themselves, even if it is self-destructive. We need to compromise, to allow this freedom, while attempting to mitigate the effects on those who prefer not to be exposed.


Posted by Perspective, a resident of Evergreen Park
on Mar 26, 2012 at 9:31 am

Jon, by the same logic, since half of all auto accidents involve alcohol, we should ban booze since it forces others to "suffer" the enjoyment of others.

At least I can choose to move away if there is a smoker.


Posted by GC, a resident of Midtown
on Apr 18, 2012 at 2:04 pm

If you start banning things because it is bad for someone, then all fires sb banned, including BBQ, fire places, cars and candles, now move on to alcohol, hair spray, peanuts, cats, dogs where do we stop?


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