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Barak, Burkha, Abortion Rights

Original post made by Gary on Feb 23, 2008

I was having coffee this morning with a woman that is a big Barak supporter. She is well aware that I am an ex-leftie, but now a freedom lover.

I asked her why she was supporting Barak, instead of Hillary. She rattled off some not-very-nice epithets about Hillary and how she 'put up with that scoundrel husband of hers, only to try to gain power, and how that diminsishes women, etc.' (that is my very short, and kindly, summary of it). Then she talked about Barak being for pro-choice, and new "hope" and the near-immediate withdrawl from Iraq and Afghanistan ("bring the boys and girls home!").

I asked her if she had concerns about unleashing jihad, instead of containing it. Her short answer was "no". Her long answer was also her short answer. Then I asked her if she was concerned about her granddaughters wearing the burkha. Her answer was a bit more nuanced on this point, becasue she said that she would be worried about it if she lived in Europe, but not here. Then I asked her about her great-granddaughters, here. On this point, she said that it could happen.

Then I asked her if her great-granddaughters should have freedom of choice, and how they would be free to choose, if they had to wear the burkha. She seemed stunned. She then said, "I haven't thought about that, but I probably should."

At least this woman has an open mind.

Now, if Barak does what he promises to do, will he be able to answer these questions as honstly as this woman just did this morning?

Comments (17)

Posted by Being like Rush Limbaugh????, a resident of another community
on Feb 23, 2008 at 3:15 pm


So this woman supports Barak, the prime minister of Israel, for President of the US? Why would electing Barak cause anyone to wear a burkha???
Or are you just being Rush Limbaugh-like and making fun of Barack Obama's name?

Posted by Anamika, a resident of Midtown
on Feb 23, 2008 at 3:21 pm

What is the connection between the burkha and Obama?

Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown North
on Feb 23, 2008 at 3:30 pm

"What is the connection between the burkha and Obama?"

Answer: The surrender in the fight abainst the jihadists.

Posted by Being like Rush Limbaugh????, a resident of another community
on Feb 23, 2008 at 3:31 pm

Gary, being a true right-winger in the Limbaugh/O'Reilly/Coulter mold is just trying to spread the story about the school that Obama attended. This story has been debunked:

Web Link

Clearly is trying to play on some people's fears of Islam.
Gary is a strong supporter of Bush/Cheney. He loves waterboarding and thinks the khmer rouge were okay also.

Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown North
on Feb 23, 2008 at 3:48 pm


Actually, I am impressed with Barak's eloquence, just not his plan of action. I could care less if he is of the Islamic or Christian or atheist faiths. However, his cut-and-run from Iraq will precipitate a landlide of jihadist aggression against regional countries, then continents.

It is much better to stay the course in Iraq and Afghanistan, than to cut and run.

Actually, Obama understands this, but he is just lying to you true believers, in order to get elected. Nevertheless, he COULD be telling it straight...if so, prepare your great-garndaughters for the burkha.

Posted by Resident, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Feb 23, 2008 at 5:07 pm

My motto is to never underestimate the evil of the Jihad. I could easily see that the Jihad would love to infiltrate US politics.

Look at this hypothetical scenario. Imagine that the Jihad could find a possible sleeping Muslim, someone who had Muslim influences growing up but never took them very seriously. Someone perhaps who never really converted to any other religion but perhaps started attending Christian style churches because he thought it might do his Resume better than saying that he was nominal Muslim. Maybe they found this someone and discovered that he was very clever, very eloquent, and had political tendencies. Maybe if they watched this someone and then when the time was right, they used him very subtly - almost without his knowledge- to get political ambition. They maybe as this ambition started to grow they started to help with finances, tiny little bit here and tiny little bit there, to make him more likely to win office in say his home state or even if possible in perhaps the Senate. Then as this someone became more charismatic and successful, they used their sleepers all over the country to start working for them. Then when the ball started rolling, they plowed in more money as he became more successful. Then before you knew it, and maybe before he even knew it himself, he became the candidate of choice for huge numbers in the election of the candidate for either of the two leading parties, didn't actually matter which, as long as he won it. This someone actually chose the party that was not in office at present because the natural inclination of the country was to choose someone so completely different from the incumbent that any change was seen as good change.

Does this sound too far fetched? Does this sound too much for Jihad?
Does it seem possible that Jihad could cause 2 planes to fly into the World Trade Center and another to fly into the Pentagon? Did that sound equally far fetched?

I say never under estimate the hate, the evil and the power of Jihad.

Now look at Barak.

Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown North
on Feb 23, 2008 at 5:29 pm

"I say never under estimate the hate, the evil and the power of Jihad."

Couldn't agree more with you on that concept. However, Barak is not part of a cell, IMO. The problem with Obama is that he is either a liar, or he is telling a truth that is despicable. I am comforted by the thought that he is just lying, as I think he is.

Help us all, if he is telling the truth, as he sees it.

Posted by news, a resident of Palo Verde
on Feb 23, 2008 at 5:38 pm

Barack Obama is a good orator who has little substance we can judge him on.

He wants to clobber the Palo Alto "middle class" with a huge increase in their social security taxes.

He has been chair of the Senate subcommittee for European Affairs since 2006... and has not gone to Europe once since then.

He only belatedly has articulated a position on the environment (and global warming)... after he caved in to the nuclear industry lobby and abandoned his erstwhile attempts to make nuclear operations safer in his state (Illinois).

He says he wants out of Iraq but nothing in his past ACTIONS shows that he will actually honor this campaign pledge. He did not vote in the senate for shortening the US troop presence there.

He says one thing... probably will do something else... meanwhile pledging that he will raise our social security taxes...

Well, he'll probably win anyway, because he has been chosen by the mass media (press, television, etc.) as our next president. They bash Hillary Clinton and John McCain but they are in love with Obama, can't find anything wrong with him. Go figure.

There is no democracry left in this country. We just have an uneducated populace that has only gut reactions and follows like sheep what/whom the news media says they should do/support...

Posted by Another Observer, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Feb 23, 2008 at 7:14 pm

This posting sounds RACIST!! It is certinaly anti Arab or anti Muslim.

If these types of comments were made about another group of people that are in the US attemting to run things here there would be outrage.

We certinaly don't have free speech anymore in this country or if you try to have free speech you will suffer the consequences.

I have to assume those who support the war in Iraque are making money from it directly or indirectly.

They also probably support the takeover of this country by Blackwater.

Posted by Citizen, a resident of Midtown
on Feb 23, 2008 at 7:54 pm

Wow - Another Observer really has the liberal playbook down, (i) call any opposing view racist, (ii) claim there isn't free speech in the US while trying to supress others views by calling them racist, and (iii) accusing anyone who supports war of being a war profitter.

The angry Left in action. Always ready to call names and make accusations to any opposing viewpoint.

Posted by All in favor say Aye!, a resident of Stanford
on Feb 23, 2008 at 9:31 pm

I'd gladly trade the revolting, degrading, and dehumanizing judeo-smut on American television for a burqa.

Posted by not dr ferragamo, a resident of Stanford
on Feb 23, 2008 at 9:51 pm

all in favor say aye--- why don't you move to Saudi arabia and you will get your wish. Btw what is judeo-smut???don't bother to answer you have betrayed your real identity.

Posted by Joanna, a resident of Adobe-Meadows
on Feb 24, 2008 at 1:27 am

Say "aye" if you understood what the heck the author is writing about.

1) something tells me that the author is trying to cause a controversy
2) reading or writing in this thread gives more fuel for further nonsense

Posted by joe, a resident of College Terrace
on Feb 24, 2008 at 5:35 am

There is no Palo Alto middle class.

Posted by perspective., a resident of Midtown
on Feb 24, 2008 at 8:22 am

good catch, joe. People living in 1-2 million dollar homes are not "middle class".

in any case, who cares? we will all pay more taxes for more ineffective and inefficient govt under any of the 3 current possible presidents, it is just a matter of how much more.

Posted by how about that, a resident of Greenmeadow
on Feb 24, 2008 at 9:50 am

Clearly Gary has some sort of anti-Middle eastern agenda. He consistently uses Obama's first name and consistently misspells it the same way (it's "Barack" by the way). I guess it would have been too obvious if he'd pulled a Fox and Friends and "misspelled" it as "Osama" every time. How very 3rd grade.
As for sharia law being imposed in the U.S., we've got the First Amendment to protect those who want to practice it from persecution and those who don't want to from government mandate. Same thing goes for Christianity and Zoroastrianism.

Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown North
on Feb 24, 2008 at 11:32 am

"Clearly Gary has some sort of anti-Middle eastern agenda"

how about that,

Not at all. I have an agenda that rejects the jidadist spread of of their views by the sword. I have no particular problem with relatively secular Turkey (as long as it remains that way).

Here is an example of the basic right of abortion by Islam:

"Thus Islam does not look at sex as an end in itself, but as a means to an end. The end of sex according to Islam is to have children. So, it is not allowed in Islam that a woman can have abortion simply because it is her wish to do so, under the pretext of keeping her beauty and to avoid responsibility. This is considered as selfishness. Should a pregnant woman make abortion without any justified reason such as the expectation of risk on the mother's life, then this act amounts to murder according so Islam."

Web Link

"As for sharia law being imposed in the U.S., we've got the First Amendment to protect those who want to practice it from persecution and those who don't want to from government mandate"

Really? Wasn't the First Amendment violated, by the sword, on 9-11? What makes you think it will stop, if the jidhaists are not contained?

Obama wants to pull out of Iraq, without regard to the consequences. That is why many of his supporters support him. That would be a disaster to the West...and yes, a disaster to women's rights, including abortion choice. What hope will Middle-Eastern women, of the secular variety, have if Obama wins? What rights would American great-grandaughters have?

Go ahead and debate me on this point. I am always willing to fight with words.

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