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on Feb 20, 2008
The concept here sounds great in many ways, but I wonder how that will affect PA families with students trying to get into Stanford. Already, so I am told, there is favoritism to those who are offspring of Stanford alum or faculty and also to those who are the offspring of major donors.
Since so many of these get places, it brings questions as to how many students come from families making less than $100k.
Additionally, there are many different ways of looking at this. In a 2 parent family, with say four kids, the eldest can feel strapped by cost when looking at colleges. In the same family, by the time the youngest goes to college, the amount of income can be proportionally more for the youngest than it was for the eldest. In a family with 2 parents working and only one child, $100k can go a long way when it comes to saving for college.
I hope that this means test takes more than just the family income when it looks at who gets the free ride.
I wonder if we could talk Stanford into taking the cost of living in Palo Alto into account in justing ability to pay tuition. Looks like by the time you subtract my mortgage and property taxes, they should to pay ME to send my kids there. :)
What about those of us who have more than one child, a mortgage, car expenses, etc. that make slightly over the $150,000 cutoff? Do we get some sort of proportionate break in cost? It seems as if the people in the middle (not poor, but definitely not rich)deserve some sort of break! Our combined income is $152,000) and both my husband and I work very hard to have a moderate lifestyle in our community. There is no way however that we could afford to shell out $45,000 a year in tuition after all our expenses and the high federal and state taxes we pay annually. Perhaps there is something I'm not aware of, but where is our break in tuition? Why should my child not reap the same educational benefit as those who are rich, or in this benefit bracket?
The concept is great and I applaud Stanford for making tuition reasonable, however let's not forget there's a segment of the population that needs a break too!
A hard working parent in Minnesota
I heard from inside sources that being from Palo Alto or even Bay Area actually reduces your chances for being accepted into Stanford. They go for geographic diversity, and a kid with the same score from Alabama will take preference over local kid.
That's been true for years. Also working against Palo Alto kids is that a lot of parents around here have Stanford connections--so your Palo Alto kid is competing against faculty kids and big-donor alumni kids.
The competition by PA kids to get into Stanford is almost as serious as out-of-town athletes to get into Paly. Since Stanford is a private school, it can set its own rules. I think it probably plays it about right, becasue it wants geographical and demographic balance of smart students, big givers, content staff and reasonably satisfied alumni.
I would also think that a non-perfect SAT score in the hinterlands of Nevada, for example, is equal to, and probably superior to a perfect score from PA students. Those Nevada kids have scar tissue, and their parents did not waste their money on tutors and SAT enhancement courses. They also know how to castrate,brand and dehorn a calf. Some of them can even rope 'em.
We have no Stanford connections and live in PA. My daughter was not going to even apply to Stanford because she "knew" she was not going to get in because of all the Stanford staff in town and all the Palo Alto legacies. I asked her to apply anyway just to humor me. She got accepted and went and recently graduated.
Congratulations indeed. You are fortunate. For many excellent PAUSD students, even getting into a UC is very difficult due to the multiple applications and no waiting list methods of the colleges.
It would be a much better system if there was a wait list at our top colleges so that when the first round acceptances were declined by many who had multiple acceptances, there was a second chance for many of our excellent students. In my experience, it would be better to transfer to say Oakland for a student's senior year so that they can compete against other than their own classmates to get into the UCs.
"In my experience, it would be better to transfer to say Oakland for a student's senior year so that they can compete against other than their own classmates to get into the UCs."
Well, that would be following a well established athletic model. However, it is unlikely that you, or anybody else from PA would do it, becasue it would be a down academic year, although probably a good growing-up experience.
Everything is not down to sport.
I know that, but many things are down to motivations and schemes to achieve them.
This is really a kick in the pants for those that work so hard to live here and raise their families in Palo Alto. This is socialism at it's best! Redistribution of wealth...another form of taxation, and as the saying goes...the middle class pays for it all......
the only two kids that i know of that got into stanford when i graduated Gunn 1984 both had parents who were stanford prof. one girl was our senior class president, the guy was in the band. both were AP A students.
Stanford was established as a tuition-free University. When the big quake leveled the place, Mrs. Stanford sold her jewels in order to keep it tuition-free.
Given how the size of their endowment, they should have done this a long time ago, but better late than never.
I hope it becomes a trend. Our nation will be better for the opportunity.
The theory is people should have started saving for their kids' college expenses when the kids were born, not trying to take it out of current income. This is a quaint concept called financial responsibility.
This is the problem with redistributing wealth. Before the ink is dry on the press release, instead of being grateful that there are some receiving the benefit of the largesse of others, the ones just on the other side of the dividing line start whining about how unfair it is that THEY aren't also receiving the largesse of others..
as the song of a certain age group almost says
"And so it GROWS...and so it GROWS.."
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