Starting Thursday, Surf Air will no longer have Bayside route option

FAA says six-month trial is over and evaluation will start

To the consternation of local residents and Surf Air alike, San Mateo County officials announced this week that the alternate route the commuter airline had been using to avoid the Midpeninsula on its way to the San Carlos Airport is no longer an option.

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Posted by Geri Spieler
a resident of Midtown
on Jan 5, 2017 at 12:21 pm

So, it never ends. I've become more vocal about my problem with airplane noise. We have lived here over 20 years. Until recently, noise from the skies seemed to be restricted to helicopters. Now, it is minute after minute of jet noise loud, whiny and persistent.

I've done my homework about the health effects of such noise and it isn't pretty. It is not just a problem for residents who happen to work or be at home several daytime hours. It invades all of us from early morning and late into the night. It effects our school children and animals.

The world, in general, is getting louder. The National Academy of Sciences Committee on Hearing, Bioacoustics, and Biomechanics (CHABA) found that impacts of aircraft noise, and noise in general, on the cognitive abilities of school-aged children has received more attention in recent years. Several studies suggest that aircraft noise can affect the academic performance of schoolchildren."

If the science is clearly there about the health effects on people and animals, why are we having such a difficult time getting this problem changed.And, more importantly, how did it get passed in the first place?

In the time it took me to write this note, I've recorded eight loud planes on my record.

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Posted by jh
a resident of Evergreen Park
on Jan 5, 2017 at 3:41 pm

jh is a registered user.

Just wait until Surf Air is operating out of Palo Alto. Because the city accepted a grant from the FAA (to help the city pay to upgrading the badly neglected the runway), Palo Alto is not allowed to restrict commercial access to the airport.

Although a rather small percentage of Palo Alto residents own airplanes and use the airport, when the city council voted to take over the airport from the county a year or two ago (including the expense incurred to bring the airport up to date after years of neglect, maintain, and ongoing expense to run) lmany more Palo Alto residents' quality of life will be adversely affected compared to the number of Palo Alto residents who use the airport. And the number of older residents who trained to fly while serving in the US Air Force and use the airport is dwindling faster than they are being replaced with younger pilots.

Unfortunately the smaller turboprop airplanes have to use leaded aviation fuel or their engines could stall, and there is not or likely to be any alternative. Very unhealthy to live underneath their flight paths as they come in to land or take off. Especially for children. In addition they are allowed to fly much much lower than the large commercial jets.

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Posted by Alan
a resident of Midtown
on Jan 5, 2017 at 7:30 pm

Small clarification to jh's comment about fuel. All turboprop aircraft (and the other turbine-based aircraft) use jet fuel, a type of kerosene. Commercial jet fuel has no lead.

As to piston aircraft, yes, they still used leaded fuel. The FAA is actively evaluating unleaded avgas proposals. Four proposals were accepted for the initial evaluation about two years ago; that was narrowed down to two proposals last March.

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Posted by hd
a resident of College Terrace
on Jan 6, 2017 at 8:24 am

jh way to stay on topic and cite accurate information! /s

surfair won't be using palo alto - it was originally planned as their base but the reality is the runway is short and the facilities are poorly suited for their operation.

the "smaller turboprop airlines" do not use leaded fuel. turboprops are what they sound like: turbines. they use jet fuel. perhaps you are referring to the piston-driven planes? which have been around for ages and have have a considerably more limited sound footprint than turbines?

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Posted by Elizabeth
a resident of Midtown
on Jan 6, 2017 at 10:55 am

Makes no sense, but that's government for you. " ~!

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Posted by Stewart
a resident of Adobe-Meadow
on Jan 6, 2017 at 8:02 pm

The noise from both surf air planes, and the larger jets going from SFO and SJC is really a huge problem.

Can anyone clarify what the minimum height requirements are for the planes when they fly over palo alto?

At times I feel I can wave to the surf air pilots they are so low. And the jets into SFO are incredibly noisy and keep my entire family up all night.

I call on our local and regional officials to step up their efforts to protect the citizens from particle pollution as well as noise pollution that affect our community.

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Posted by musical
a resident of Palo Verde
on Jan 7, 2017 at 3:27 am

@Stewart -- technically the minimum altitude for any plane over Palo Alto is 1000 feet above the highest obstacle (not applicable to helicopters). Also technically the speed limit on Embarcadero is 25 mph.

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Posted by Hair_Splitter
a resident of Crescent Park
on Jan 7, 2017 at 5:08 pm

-- Posted by Elizabeth
-- Makes no sense, but that's government for you. " ~!

I understand the exaspertion, but that is the government when it is run
by behind the scenes corporate interests and very rich people that have
no accountability.

When was the last time you got to vote at a store you go to or that
operates in your neighborhood? At least with government you can
try to demand that it work democratically, and have a say.

It's a bit sad when I see that knee-jerk bash government slogan made
famous by Reagan. Well, Reagan got the government out of our hair,
and things about less responsive to the people, seems to me.

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Posted by Curmudgeon
a resident of Downtown North
on Jan 7, 2017 at 10:27 pm

"Reagan got the government out of our hair, ..."

That was his talking point to his Base, to cover him while he built the federal government bureaucracy to its highest level in history, raised our taxes eleven times, and doubled the national debt. His Base bought it like bovines, and still applauds Reagan for slashing bureaucracy, cutting taxes, and balancing the budget.

Considering that that level of thinking prevails in a large segment of the populace, we shouldn't expect much relief based on facts.

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Posted by Menlo cat owner
a resident of Menlo Park
on Jan 8, 2017 at 4:13 am

Time to consider shutting down San Carlos airport. Executives will be forced to fly out of SFO like everyone else poor things!

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Posted by Question about altitudes
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jan 8, 2017 at 9:38 am


"technically the altitude for any plane is 1000 feet above the highest obstacle.....also technicallly the speed linit on Embarcadero is 25 mph"

hmmmm - maybe its time to build one very (very) tall skyscraper downtown

question - isn't there supposed to be different spaces for commercial and general aviation? all planes can fly at 1000 feet?

On embarcadero all cars can go at 25 mph.

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Posted by musical
a resident of Palo Verde
on Jan 8, 2017 at 11:32 pm

@Question -- don't need skyscraper, radio antenna will do.

Federal Aviation Regulation (FAR) 91.119(b) specifies the 1000 foot minimum altitude over "congested" areas. Looks to me like it applies to all airplanes. A Southwest 737 inbound for San Jose flew over Palo Verde at 2800 feet at 10:00am this morning, descending to 2600 before crossing 101 toward the bay. Nothing in the regs I could find would have prohibited descent to 1000 feet. Except anyone flying below 2000 feet in this neighborhood requires contacting the Palo Alto Airport Control Tower. A mile further north that 737 would've needed explicit permission from the San Francisco Airport Control Tower unless it descended below 2500 feet. It's a 3-dimensional jigsaw puzzle up there among SFO, SJC, PAO, and NUQ (Moffett).

Careful with the terms commercial and general aviation. Doesn't necessarily mean big planes vs little planes. A putt-putt Cessna pilot being paid to take a sightseer whale-watching is commercial aviation and requires a commercial pilot license. Same for a professional crop-duster. The Google guys flying their 767 out of Moffett is general aviation. The terms "airliner" or "scheduled air service" are more definitive, but still muddy with commuter operations like Surf Air.

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