Firefighters use new techniques to douse Palo Alto blaze

'Nozzle forward' methods credited for speeding up response to two-alarm fire Friday morning

Two-and-a-half minutes after getting a report about a house fire in the 2100 block of Louis Road on Friday morning, Palo Alto fire engines were pulling up next to the burning building.

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7 people like this
Posted by Elizabeth
a resident of Downtown North
on Dec 30, 2016 at 6:16 pm

Now if only Palo Alto would allow more construction of new buildings that adhere to modern fire codes, we'd be set. Those Eichlers are fire traps!

26 people like this
Posted by Tim
a resident of Los Altos
on Dec 30, 2016 at 10:34 pm

BS! Fire departments having been using 2.5 inch attack hose lines for years. We had 2.5 inch attack lines when I hired (34 year career) by a well known bay area fire department in the 70's. All surrounding fire departments used them too. Maybe the only thing that is different is the light weigh hose and this is because new materials are now being used for hose construction that were not available back then.

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Posted by Resident
a resident of Midtown
on Dec 30, 2016 at 10:54 pm

I think the article is stating that the innovation is the nozzle and the lighter, less kinking hose, not the fact that it has a 2.5-inch diameter.

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Posted by Lisa
a resident of Barron Park
on Dec 31, 2016 at 1:57 am

Elizabeth, the city isn't preventing any new residential construction -- unless you're upset about Zuckerberg's compound?

14 people like this
Posted by Vado Canis Vado
a resident of another community
on Dec 31, 2016 at 6:02 am

The Nozzle Forward program was created by a Seattle Fire Department FF Aaron Fields and has been taught across the country to thousands of FF. Chief should give credit where credit is due.

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Posted by Train Neighbor
a resident of Ventura
on Dec 31, 2016 at 11:45 am

Train Neighbor is a registered user.

Glad to hear no one was hurt and that damage to neighboring homes was minimized.

How are Eichler homes more dangerous during a fire?
Is it the more open floor plan?
Are the home insurance premiums higher than for non-Eichler homes of the same vintage?

Have many owners retrofitted with fire sprinklers?

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Posted by Gypsum
a resident of Palo Verde School
on Dec 31, 2016 at 2:01 pm

The issue with older Eichlers is that the entire interior was either redwood or mahogany plywood. After 50 years or so...these materials have dried and provide quick fuel for a fire.

Most families retrofit their Eichlers with gypsum wall board to make them more fire-resistant and quieter.

Eichler was a visionary using new materials in new ways. Lets not throw the baby out with the bathwater. All that is needed is some sensible renovation and Eichlers will remain a jewel in our community for many years to come.

The biggest threat to Eichlers is CPA's unwillingness to maintain the nature of our neighborhoods.

I would take ten more Eichler homes before I would want one of those SoCal inspired pink palace built near me. Replace a 2 bedroom Eichler with a 2 car garage with a 6 bedroom home, built to the absolute buildable envelope with a micro garage....this is foolishness.

Great work PAFD!

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Posted by flame
a resident of Mayfield
on Dec 31, 2016 at 4:47 pm

what started the fire?

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Posted by Resident
a resident of Barron Park
on Jan 3, 2017 at 11:06 am

Did some research on the nozzle forward, and it was interesting. Welcome to the 1970's everybody. Tactics used for a very long time throughout the fire service. Also looked up Aaron Fields and his website in Seattle, I sure hope that our department is not modeling itself after this individual and his style. Not someone that I would want my tax dollars going to, he doesn't seem to be a person that represents his department well. Not professional in my opinion. I am happy that our FD was able to get control of the situation quickly and safely and for that I say Good Job.

4 people like this
Posted by PIO
a resident of another community
on Jan 3, 2017 at 8:09 pm

To the Resident with negative comments regarding Aaron Fields. You mock what you do not understand. It seems more than 10,000 firefighters and 200 fire departments would disagree with your assessment of Aaron and his program. Perhaps you should take his class. Then comment on his person.

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Posted by Aaron Fields
a resident of another community
on Jan 3, 2017 at 9:08 pm

I am glad the fire attack went well and the comments have been overall well-known received. I hope the residents in question get back on their feet quickly. To the resident who doesn't get my sense of humor. My intent is not to be unprofessional, it is in fact to simply have a bit of a sense of humor, rather the usual. Feel free to contact me through the website and I will be happy to send you my number and walk you through what it is we actually do and why. In addition, to the methodology of skill acquisitiom we use. If you read the bibliography I am sure we have some of the same mentors. If you searched the internet you also likely found the reviews of what I do and who I am, are usually positive. I will save you a place in any class I do so you can see it first hand. I will be in Modesto and Chico in February. In the meantime time remember that manners are the oil that lubricate society. Best Regards Aaron Fields

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Posted by Firefighter
a resident of another community
on Jan 5, 2017 at 12:43 pm

2.5" attack hose has been used in the fire service for over 40 years. They have just updated the hose and nozzle and given it a "cool" name. Small fire- small hose, big fire- big hose, bigger fire- bigger hose. Done.

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Posted by Mike
a resident of Ohlone School
on Jan 8, 2017 at 2:36 pm

Grew up in an Eichler on lower Amarillo in the '50's, during which two houses in the neighborhood burned down in minutes. As I recall the fire department attributed their rapid combustion to the naphtha solvent in a 'Philippine fish glue' that was used in the manufacture of the interior and exterior plywood sheathing.

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