Officials pledge commitment to 'blended' rail system

Members of California High-Speed Rail Authority say revised business plan will include early investments in Peninsula rail

A lower price tag, fewer tracks and a fresh commitment to fund rail improvements in north and south California are among the features that the California High-Speed Rail Authority plans to unveil in its revised business plan, rail officials told a state Senate committee Tuesday night, March 13, at a public hearing in Mountain View.

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Posted by quit stalling
a resident of Adobe-Meadow
on Mar 14, 2012 at 10:21 am

Stalling just increases the cost. Get it done now. The new plan sounds like a big improvement to both local transportation and state-wide transportation. Costs are going down as more planning gets done. Get it done now before inflation and rising property values drive up the cost.

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Posted by Nayeli
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 14, 2012 at 10:36 am

HSR is dead in California...for now.

It is time to just count our losses and move on to other things. It would be great if this commission would STOP SPENDING $$$ since they are fully aware that this is dead.

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Posted by Ned
a resident of Mountain View
on Mar 14, 2012 at 10:43 am

So Palo Alto, Menlo Park, Atherton, get two tracks while Mountain View and Sunnyvale and cities to the north like Milbrae get the four tracks for passing. Now I see how this works. The more affluent neighborhoods get their way. Typical.

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Posted by Paul
a resident of Professorville
on Mar 14, 2012 at 10:47 am

CREDIBILITY has become the big problem for the High-Speed Rail Authority; HSR has none.

Why would anyone believe a word they say? On virtually every substantive issue, HSR has been wrong, wrong, wrong. Let us count the ways:
• NONE of the promises made to barely win 2008 1A vote are being kept…
o No more than $40 billion to connect San Diego, Los Angeles, Sacramento and San Francisco
o No more than $9.95 billion from state of California
o No money authorized until investors committed
o Los Angeles to San Francisco for about $50
o Los Angeles to San Francisco in 2½ hours
o Ridership forecast ridiculously high
• BOGUS HSR plans, independent auditors say
o Peer Review Group January 3, 2012
o Legislative Analyst Office November 29, 2011
o State Inspector General October 27, 2010
o California State Auditor April 2010 Report 2009-106
o Joseph Vranich October 2008

Any village idiot can connect the dots on this one, yet Simitian, Eshoo, Brown, et al seem unable to do so. Quite the opposite. Until they connect the obvious dots, my future votes will be for someone else.

'Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.'

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Posted by FrankF
a resident of Ventura
on Mar 14, 2012 at 10:47 am

FrankF is a registered user.

This is a big step in the right direction. The same dollars benefit both Caltrain and HSR.

Caltrain still needs a permanent source of funding - and all of the at grade level crossings will need to be replaced with grade separated crossings but this could be done in a less disruptive manner.

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Posted by Just don't get it...
a resident of Southgate
on Mar 14, 2012 at 11:29 am

So, the 'blended' track well help Caltrain? There is no answer to how these tracks will run...above ground, underground or at ground! We all know that below ground is expensive and since they are cutting expenses that will go!
I so agree with Paul and how can we get this through to the rest of the state?? There is no money anywhere!!

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Posted by Charge-True-Costs
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Mar 14, 2012 at 12:14 pm

> Caltrain still needs a permanent source of funding

Well .. it could charge its riders the true cost of the system's capital and operations--rather than expecting the people who don't use the system to pay for this massive boondoggle.

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Posted by Paul Losch
a resident of Community Center
on Mar 14, 2012 at 12:32 pm

Paul Losch is a registered user.

I like Joe, and I must him give him credit for vetting the High Speed Rail concept almost to a fault. Hearing after hearing, town meeting after town meeting.

Enough is enough.

I went to the hearing Tuesday, March 13, at the MV performing arts center. The place was SRO, absolutely packed. Clearly there is a great deal of passion about this matter, no matter what point of view one has.

I heard nothing last night that changed my mind that this is a bad idea. Lots of “polishing” you know what.

For starters, it appears that the very civil new management for CHSRA, including Dan Richard, have a very different point of view about how this thing should/could be built out than does the very civil Mr. Kempton, from the High Speed Rail Peer Review Group.

One wants to start in the Central Valley with track to nowhere, lacking HSR capability. The other advocates first making improvements at the “bookends” of LA and the Bay Area. Talk about a huge disconnect.

There remain huge questions about funding, which were for the most part artfully dodged, with allusions to days gone by about how the UC system was developed, the interstate highway system came about, inter alia. The fact is at best 15% of the cost of the $98 billion proposal has been identified.

To make matters worse, it appears that some of the available federal funds only will be available only if they are applied to an HSR spur in the Central Valley. Those funds, if I correctly understood last night’s testimony, cannot be used for improvements at the “bookends” of NORCAL and SOCAL. Is CHSRA advocating a central valley place to start just so they can get the federal funds? It sure looked that way to me in last night’s hearings.

My closing observation about this entire matter is that too many people in responsible positions continue struggling to somehow squeeze life out of this ill-conceived project. (e.g., the mantra “blended system” has been bandied about for months now, and it was not made clear at this hearing how it will “really” work.)

This is a project that has gotten more second chances that most of us get in a lifetime. Try and try, it continues to not pass muster. Voters were mis-led in the 2008 ballot initiative, clearly a “bait and switch.”

Get it back on the ballot, and it will go down in flames. (I suppose that is a bad analogy, since it alludes to aircraft. How about get it back on the ballot, and it will be off the rails!)

CHSRA releases a revised business plan in the coming weeks, ostensibly an improvement over prior plans by prior “regimes.”
Rather than taking it to the State Capitol for review, I suggest they try out their pitch on Sand Hill Road, with the venture capital community. They may as a courtesy get a first pitch meeting. There never will be a second meeting, let alone private funding participation in this beast.

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Posted by Madam President
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Mar 14, 2012 at 1:32 pm

HSR, HSR, HSR! we need it

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Posted by Craig Laughton
a resident of College Terrace
on Mar 14, 2012 at 1:47 pm

"Get it back on the ballot, and it will go down..." I agree.

Paul, have you signed the petition yet?

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Posted by Mila
a resident of Downtown North
on Mar 14, 2012 at 10:03 pm

$100 Billion to build it.

$100 Billion in interest payments.

$100 Billion to operate it.

I believe these costs are to spread out over a 30 year period.

$10 Billion/year drained from the CA treasury.

Where is all that money coming from? The Feds? probably not. All those secret private investors? What investors? The billion in profits promised in Prop 1A! Who were they kidding?

What do you want to give up for High Speed Rail? Schools, improvements to real infrastructure, improving local mass transit where people really need it, and the list goes on. Our "leaders" in Sacramento should be ashamed of themselves.

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Posted by Gus L.
a resident of Barron Park
on Mar 14, 2012 at 10:11 pm

Why do they keep trying o force this on us. We don't want it.
Spend the money on the schools.

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Posted by neighbor
a resident of another community
on Mar 15, 2012 at 12:39 pm

Gus ------"WE (???) don't want it."

60% of the electorate, including ME, do want it. Majority rules in this country. Sometimes we like it, sometimes we don't.

I lived with Bush Jr. for 8 long years....bummer for me, but it's still a democracy and I'm all for that.

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Posted by Crescent Park Dad
a resident of Crescent Park
on Mar 15, 2012 at 1:50 pm

60% of a low turn out, not 60% of the "electorate". The word electorate refers to the entire number of people eligible to vote, not to those who chose to vote on a certain day.

Put it to a vote today, with all of the new numbers and the fact that a not single private investor is willing to even sniff this boondoggle. A very different outcome is likely.

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Posted by Craig Laughton
a resident of College Terrace
on Mar 15, 2012 at 2:02 pm

"Put it to a vote today"


Have you signed the petition? Be part of a real old-fashioned grass roots effort, if you want to. Imagine such an effort that does not require mega-bucks to get on the ballot? Just takes some individual efforts.

Web Link

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Posted by ODB
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Mar 16, 2012 at 12:37 am

Another con job from the CAHSRA. How many times and how many ways are they going to keep reinventing this thing?

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Posted by Nayeli
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 16, 2012 at 8:36 am

You can almost fund NASA with this same budget. Go figure.

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Posted by neighbor
a resident of another community
on Mar 16, 2012 at 9:18 am

Crescent Park Dad
Your "Low turnout" argument doesn't work -- we can't take back every election you don't like with claims of low turn out.

Regrettably, lots of folks don't vote, but every measure that passed/failed in a fair election is not up for reconsideration. Otherwise, we may have had President Gore --- not to mention many simple public works projects we now take for granted.

However, there is a repeal process -- and you are welcome to try to convince the rest of the state that the the benefits of the rail project (jobs, connectivity -- even subsized) are actually a public good that is outweighed by the needs of some citizens of well-to-do Palo Alto who have property near the right of way.

While election voters in Palo Alto may have had a local majority against the rail measure that passed (and even that is an empirical question), the state voters passed the measure. Palo Alto doesn't get to say no, but it can negotiate details in the project instead of taking the simple NIMBY argument.

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Posted by common sense
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 16, 2012 at 11:36 am

neighbor, a resident of another community,

The ballot that was passed had restrictions on releasing the bond money for building HSR - it has to make the trip in roughly 2 hours, no subsidy from the government for operational costs, the system to cost no more than $43 billion to build, the system to be operation in 2020, and funding for the remaining $33 billion to be in place.

Not one of these restrictions has been met - so your name calling of "NIMBY" is rather misplaced. HSR is not meeting it's commitments, it's just as simple as that.

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Posted by Kay Djordjevich
a resident of Menlo Park
on Mar 16, 2012 at 7:57 pm

I think I must have misunderstood the Blended plan??

This is a stopgap plan to use Caltrain tracks, knowing that at a later date the intention is to build on the peninsula the new high-speed rail track. Excuse me, but I find this absurd. Have I missed something? If there is a high speed train on the tracks, any track, any contact with the public must be absolutely avoided. Would they not have to build “grade crossings” at every street crossing the tracks?

To build them only for one set of tracks, and then later redo each crossing to accommodate the eventual plan of a second set is a no-brainer! So the destruction of existing businesses, structures, etc. at each crossing would be the same even if high-speed rail could use the old Caltrain tracks, which seems unlikely to me.

As for the double set of tracks eventually planned...
I wonder if the high-speed rail enthusiasts factored in the COST of taking down thousands of old growth trees, probably including the old Palo Alto redwood grove along the tracks. (I remember what it cost to take out a single Monterey pine on our property a few years ago!) And the cost of the certain demolition of many long-established businesses, office buildings, maybe the Stanford Park Hotel, apartment houses, railway stations along the Peninsula, reimbursement to the owners and communities affected, not to mention private homes which will be lost!

Did they ever decide if they would build the new tracks on the East or West side of the Caltrain tracks?

And how to manage the redirection of traffic now using the major arteries affected – Alma Street and the Central Expressway

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Posted by wary traveler
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Mar 17, 2012 at 1:32 pm

@Kay, their latest plans call for closing 2 lanes of Alma from about Homer to Oregon.

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Posted by Crescent Park Dad
a resident of Crescent Park
on Mar 17, 2012 at 4:32 pm

Not disagreeing on a certified election. Just pointing out that it was 60% of the vote taken, not of the entire population eligible to vote as claimed.

I don't live by the tracks. But this project is completely out of control budget-wise. The people who voted for this project did not vote for the current estimated costs. Even the HSR honks admit that the budget has tripled and will probably go higher.

How can any of the HSR supporters continue to ignore the astronomical costs and the fact no one from the private sector is willing to invest?

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Posted by Carlitos Waysman
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Mar 17, 2012 at 6:24 pm

So the naysayers in 3 affluent peninsula burgs are hanging the initial concept from High Speed Rail to Low Speed Rail, with their selfish and self righteous, me first, "I am better than you" attitude. From Mountain View all the way to Southern California no city made a stink about High Speed Rail (4 Tracks), to their credit they have the vision for the common good and the long term picture of mass transportation; what a contrast with the elitist snooty naysayers in the little towns of Palo Alto, Atherton and the other sorry burg demanding the reduction from 4 tracks(needed for a true HSR) to only the existing 2 tracks that must be shared with a Neanderthal train system(CALTRAIN), so they came up with their "blended" system, credit their parasite representative living in the State Legislature for this.

They really think they are better than the rest of the State of California.

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Posted by wary traveler
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Mar 17, 2012 at 9:45 pm

@Carlitos: you're wrong about how many cities are "making a stink". There are more than 3 cities on the peninsula who are against the project. They are joined by entire counties in the Central Valley, and more cities in southern California. This has nothing to do with snootiness, elitism, or even naysayerism. It does have to do with education, though. The more people know about the project, the more they are against it.

At least 4 polls came out with similar results: people want a chance to revote, and given that chance, a majority of voters would vote 'no'.

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Posted by John
a resident of Fairmeadow
on Jun 7, 2012 at 7:39 pm

It's too funny!

4 years after the vote. New business plan! No wait a newer business plan. No wait a newer newer business plan. No wait a newer newer newer newer business plan.

Can't be done for what was promised. Scrap it.

But where will termed out politicians go for handouts and consultant fees?

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